Wilbur Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 10 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: Yeah, you could be right on that.......I read it so many times on here, back and forth..........I probably am wrong........anyone want to set me straight on this. Yep, only NMCs have to be protected. The ruling was that the expansion draft isn't the same as trading so NTCs can be exposed. It is movement however, so NMCs have to be protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 2017-01-07 at 10:47 AM, janisahockeynut said: Well, as many people have categorized me and others as a "Tankers", I would like to say That I have totally loved the hard work ethics that the Canuck team has employed, these past 6 games. I would say they have been lucky, have had great goal tending, but have also generated some good offense along the way. Not much different that any other team on a winning streak. But as a fan, I have enjoyed it immensely. I did however, wonder where Hank and Dank were last night? I just didn't hear or see much of them last night creating offense......maybe just me. We did have alot of shots on us, and 2 waved off goals that helped, but we were competitive with another bubble team....I am ok with that, game to game, as all I really want it to be entertained by my team. We do however need to keep this in perspective........where our 6 wins have come from At any rate, with these wins, I started again, to wondering exactly how our contract situation looks for the next 2 years.........just wanted to do a summary of the important contracts coming up, and get any thoughts you may have on them...... End of 2016-2017 Season Current Contract Cap Hits Possible Contracts and Extentions Bo Horvat.............RFA 1.774 million per 2 year bridge deal at 4.250 million per Tryamkin..............RFA 0.925 million per 3 year deal at 2.750 million per Gunbranson.........RFA 3.500 million per 2 year deal at 4.250 million per Miller.....................UFA 6.000 million per 1 year deal at 5.000 million per (He declines) Burrows................UFA 4.500 million per 1 year deal at 2.500 million Gaunce................RFA 0.833 million per 10% increase, if not taken by Vegas Tanev ..................NTC Clicks in With the emergence of Tryamkin, Stetcher, and Gunbranson..........someone's going, I think????? End of 2017-2018 Season Current Contract Cap Hits Hank Sedin..........UFA 7.000 million per 1 year deals at 4.500 million Dan Sedin............UFA 7.000 million per 1 year deals at 4.500 million Hansen................UFA 2,500 million per Traded or 2 year at 3.000 million per Baertschi..............RFA 1.850 million per 3 years at 3.750 million per if he maintains production next year Granlund..............RFA 0.900 million per 2 year deal at 1,5 million or he walks Sbisa....................UFA 3.600 million per 10% or traded if Vegas doesn't take him Virtanen................RFA 0.925 million per 10% increase on a two way, he will be in Utica next year and the next if he doesn't grow up Now, with the Broeser possibly coming in to the Canucks in the next 2 years, and possibly Virtanen (who AHL contract is 0.300 million per). This leads me to some big questions, as to who will be resigned, who will be traded and who will be let go! First off, we do not have replacements for the Sedins, either as 2nd line players or 3rd line players, if there is no tank, and no replacement, watch for the Sedin's to sign a multiple of one year contracts over their next couple of years after their contracts expire. Because Burrows play has picked up as of late, watch for a 1 yr. deal. Watch for Miller to have a contract extention or walk away and sign south or us......Vegas, Ana, SJ......he would take a discount for a couple of years to play south, IMO. Gaunce gets a 10% raise on a 2way contract. The Big 3 RFA's, get various raises as stated above Tanev is a big question mark, as "IF" they want to move him, it is now or never, according to Linden's "never as a vet to wave a NTC" Or we keep a darn good defenseman and be happy with what we got. Hansen is such a special player and the league knows who he is, he is such a versatile player and with the apparent lack of depth in the system, he is a keeper and will be resigned, as his skates will never slow. Baertschi will be resigned next year (No Brainer). Granlund and Sbisa will still be a good soldiers that contribute as good soldiers do, that is "IF" Vegas doesn't take one of them......same goes for Gaunce really! This is the way, I see Linden and Benning going, and it will keep us in the middle (Bubble Team), as long as we have no major injuries. But keep this in mind. It will take major luck to find that 1st line player drafting in the 14th to 18th OA spot.......not saying it won't be done, but we will be fortunate, if this is our course. Please remember, I am a "Tanker" by your definition, but I have enjoyed these wins, lets see what happens as the competition gets better. But as a "tanker" this is the season to move players, if that is what you were going to do! FLAME AWAY, COASTAL ! wow i did not realize i was so notorious haha i will not provide detailed response too much detail and length in the post but well done i quibble with the hansen valuation though thinking he'll get closer to 4 million in his next contract if he continues to play this well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 07/01/2017 at 2:49 PM, Toews said: I don't think they should give Horvat a bridge deal. The team is not going to be very competitive in the short term so paying him more now will be of more benefit in the long term. I think Horvat has shown that he is worthy of a long term deal as well. Well said. What do you think would be fair money and term? I think his floor is around fifty points per season and his ceiling is in Kopitar range mid seventies in his prime. Add tough assignments and equal defensive zone starts ... Face off accumen and special teams... Its a little hard to be certain but he has shown enough that locking him down for six to eight years at around 5 million per season would be good for the franchise. Prime is considered 24-32 for forwards that are not stars from the outset so this would lock him in for the majority of his best producing seasons .... If he keeps it up he might even get into top fifty in the league this season and the best is yet to come. If we bridge deal him it might end up costing 1-2 million more per year ... I could see him notching 65 plus points next year...Which would put him in Bergeron Kopitar Toews territory as far as his all round game goes...Two of the highest paid players in the league. Lock him up Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 8, 2017 Author Share Posted January 8, 2017 On 1/7/2017 at 10:47 AM, janisahockeynut said: Well, as many people have categorized me and others as a "Tankers", I would like to say That I have totally loved the hard work ethics that the Canuck team has employed, these past 6 games. I would say they have been lucky, have had great goal tending, but have also generated some good offense along the way. Not much different that any other team on a winning streak. But as a fan, I have enjoyed it immensely. I did however, wonder where Hank and Dank were last night? I just didn't hear or see much of them last night creating offense......maybe just me. We did have alot of shots on us, and 2 waved off goals that helped, but we were competitive with another bubble team....I am ok with that, game to game, as all I really want it to be entertained by my team. We do however need to keep this in perspective........where our 6 wins have come from At any rate, with these wins, I started again, to wondering exactly how our contract situation looks for the next 2 years.........just wanted to do a summary of the important contracts coming up, and get any thoughts you may have on them...... End of 2016-2017 Season Current Contract Cap Hits Possible Contracts and Extentions Bo Horvat.............RFA 1.774 million per 8 year deal at 6.000 million (Edited Jan. 8th, 2017......consensus) Tryamkin..............RFA 0.925 million per 3 year deal at 2.750 million per Gunbranson.........RFA 3.500 million per 2 year deal at 4.250 million per Miller.....................UFA 6.000 million per 1 year deal at 5.000 million per (He declines) Burrows................UFA 4.500 million per 1 year deal at 2.500 million Gaunce................RFA 0.833 million per 10% increase, if not taken by Vegas Tanev ..................NTC Clicks in With the emergence of Tryamkin, Stetcher, and Gunbranson..........someone's going, I think????? End of 2017-2018 Season Current Contract Cap Hits Hank Sedin..........UFA 7.000 million per 1 year deals at 4.500 million Dan Sedin............UFA 7.000 million per 1 year deals at 4.500 million Hansen................UFA 2,500 million per Traded or 2 year at 3.000 million per Baertschi..............RFA 1.850 million per 3 years at 3.750 million per if he maintains production next year Granlund..............RFA 0.900 million per 2 year deal at 1,5 million or he walks Sbisa....................UFA 3.600 million per 10% or traded if Vegas doesn't take him Virtanen................RFA 0.925 million per 10% increase on a two way, he will be in Utica next year and the next if he doesn't grow up Now, with the Broeser possibly coming in to the Canucks in the next 2 years, and possibly Virtanen (who AHL contract is 0.300 million per). This leads me to some big questions, as to who will be resigned, who will be traded and who will be let go! First off, we do not have replacements for the Sedins, either as 2nd line players or 3rd line players, if there is no tank, and no replacement, watch for the Sedin's to sign a multiple of one year contracts over their next couple of years after their contracts expire. Because Burrows play has picked up as of late, watch for a 1 yr. deal. Watch for Miller to have a contract extention or walk away and sign south or us......Vegas, Ana, SJ......he would take a discount for a couple of years to play south, IMO. Gaunce gets a 10% raise on a 2way contract. The Big 3 RFA's, get various raises as stated above Tanev is a big question mark, as "IF" they want to move him, it is now or never, according to Linden's "never as a vet to wave a NTC" Or we keep a darn good defenseman and be happy with what we got. Hansen is such a special player and the league knows who he is, he is such a versatile player and with the apparent lack of depth in the system, he is a keeper and will be resigned, as his skates will never slow. Baertschi will be resigned next year (No Brainer). Granlund and Sbisa will still be a good soldiers that contribute as good soldiers do, that is "IF" Vegas doesn't take one of them......same goes for Gaunce really! This is the way, I see Linden and Benning going, and it will keep us in the middle (Bubble Team), as long as we have no major injuries. But keep this in mind. It will take major luck to find that 1st line player drafting in the 14th to 18th OA spot.......not saying it won't be done, but we will be fortunate, if this is our course. Please remember, I am a "Tanker" by your definition, but I have enjoyed these wins, lets see what happens as the competition gets better. But as a "tanker" this is the season to move players, if that is what you were going to do! FLAME AWAY, COASTAL ! Now I have edited Horvat's deal to $6.000 million per on a 8 year deal. This makes him know he is the leader and will be captain, it is inline with Erikkson who Horvat has surpassed and with Horvat's potential to continue to grow, is still a good deal for the Canuck's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Nice post..... I would also suggest; - Hansen should be a bit higher +4 million for a 20 goal man. This may be too rich for the Canucks so he could be moved. - Luongo penalty.....things get screwed up real fast if he retires and the Canucks can't get out of this. - Going out on a limb.....this team has it's moments but I think it is several years from being a real contender again. My feeling is that in the final year of the Sedin contract, all parties mutually agree on a trade. Who knows, they could come back as UFA's.... This is coming from a strong anti-tanker who understands that this team is way too lean on talent and depth to do anything other than squeak into the playoffs and then get toasted quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Time is catching up with the Twins, who were never fleet of foot in the first place. I would think unless they have some amazing second half, or come back revitalized next season (Maybe less ice time?). I'm thinking they'd be leaning towards retirement. (They will be 37 starting next season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 On 2017-01-08 at 3:56 PM, janisahockeynut said: Now I have edited Horvat's deal to $6.000 million per on a 8 year deal. This makes him know he is the leader and will be captain, it is inline with Erikkson who Horvat has surpassed and with Horvat's potential to continue to grow, is still a good deal for the Canuck's. well not quite how contracts should be compared or negotiated if the canucks were to give him that amount for that term they'd be better off to bridge him for a couple of years in the mid 4 to 5 range horvat's elc expiring does not give him equal rights or bargaining power to erickkson who was a ufa and nothing other than cash was paid to acquire him. no draft pick was spent, no player traded that is why he got that annual value horvat is not quite there yet i think and we used a very high draft pick to acquire him . so we should insist on a bit of a lower value for the bridge years (or rfa years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, coastal.view said: well not quite how contracts should be compared or negotiated if the canucks were to give him that amount for that term they'd be better off to bridge him for a couple of years in the mid 4 to 5 range horvat's elc expiring does not give him equal rights or bargaining power to erickkson who was a ufa and nothing other than cash was paid to acquire him. no draft pick was spent, no player traded that is why he got that annual value horvat is not quite there yet i think and we used a very high draft pick to acquire him . so we should insist on a bit of a lower value for the bridge years (or rfa years) I was actually think that in my first proposal with the bridge (which I changed), but looking forward, the $6.000 is lower than the Sedin's now, but takes into account Bo's development and the fact that he might now, it also takes into consideration, and inflation (Guesstament). I guess there is risk with any long term deal, but Bo is the best player we have now, so I don't think you are able to sign him LT for any less.........maybe? and I can't say you are wrong Respectfully, I don't think the high is a part of the negotiations, except it probably, argues for the player's continued upside ........which is good.......I think 8 years from next year, you look at $6.000 million a year as cheap, and a good signing? whatcha think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said: I was actually think that in my first proposal with the bridge (which I changed), but looking forward, the $6.000 is lower than the Sedin's now, but takes into account Bo's development and the fact that he might now, it also takes into consideration, and inflation (Guesstament). I guess there is risk with any long term deal, but Bo is the best player we have now, so I don't think you are able to sign him LT for any less.........maybe? and I can't say you are wrong Respectfully, I don't think the high is a part of the negotiations, except it probably, argues for the player's continued upside ........which is good.......I think 8 years from next year, you look at $6.000 million a year as cheap, and a good signing? whatcha think? if all indications about his development pan out bo will be worth way more than $6 million in year 8 of the contract likely $8 or $9+ .. so why would he take less now just to avoid a lower bridge contract (for less than the $6 per year) after the bridge bo can negotiate a higher annual average than $6 and more than make up for those 2 lesser paying years he can insure against injury if that is the reason you think he will sign for a low value for that term the canucks would not want to be on the hook that long without having a longer look at bo way too risky for both sides to go that long right now for the $6 million average in my view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 53 minutes ago, coastal.view said: if all indications about his development pan out bo will be worth way more than $6 million in year 8 of the contract likely $8 or $9+ .. so why would he take less now just to avoid a lower bridge contract (for less than the $6 per year) after the bridge bo can negotiate a higher annual average than $6 and more than make up for those 2 lesser paying years he can insure against injury if that is the reason you think he will sign for a low value for that term the canucks would not want to be on the hook that long without having a longer look at bo way too risky for both sides to go that long right now for the $6 million average in my view You make a strong argument, which is why I suggest a bridge contract at first........where are all these guys that suggested we sign him long term? Maybe I jumped the gun?? But, he will be worth everything he gets I think........sorry no energy to debate......you win! lol Good points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 This year at the TDL See you later Burrows, See you later Miller See you later Hansen See you later Edler Lets do this rebuild thing the right way. Always sad to say goodbye to old friends..... BUT THIS IS ALL BUSINESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 The expansion draft is a bit of a problem. We have our D covered but the F will leave one good player unprotected ; either Baertschi or Hansen. At the beginning of this season nobody would have thought Baer was a target but he's picked it up, and is playing so well with Bo. Hansen is on his last year. Obviously we all think LV will pick up a D in Sbisa but.. who knows? Also Sbisa has somehow come out as a top 4. Been a while since he's thrown a pizza. I think we should trade Hansen for a pick or prospect so we don't risk losing him. Protect Baertschi. Leave Sbisa exposed. The Sedins will probably (hopefully) sign one more contract. I'd love for it to be an even number like 40. Maybe 4-5 each? Even if they are producing 60pts that's a steal, and more than half of their money is off the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 10, 2017 Share Posted January 10, 2017 40 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: You make a strong argument, which is why I suggest a bridge contract at first........where are all these guys that suggested we sign him long term? Maybe I jumped the gun?? But, he will be worth everything he gets I think........sorry no energy to debate......you win! lol Good points! stick to your guns i think your initial view was more realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted January 10, 2017 Author Share Posted January 10, 2017 19 minutes ago, coastal.view said: stick to your guns i think your initial view was more realistic New job, bad day, Brain Dead! ......distracted as old hell.......thanks for the comments...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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