kingofsurrey Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: Haha nope, I don't. I'm just trying to explain that there is actually good reason for doing the project. And in BC they have been very diligent at running their pipeline. But it's also because our governing bodies make them do it. I guess the issue has different sides to it. Here is another viewpoint. I guess citizens have to look at both sides and make up their own minds... http://sierraclub.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Kinder-Morgan-Victoria-fact-sheet-for-website.pdf About Us | Sierra Club Canada www.sierraclub.ca/en/about Our Mission. The mission of the Sierra Club Canada Foundation is to be a voice for the earth. We work to protect and preserve the natural environment and to empower people to be stewards of the earth in their communities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: http://sierraclub.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Kinder-Morgan-Victoria-fact-sheet-for-website.pdf Sure these are good points to bring up. But it still doesn't point out that they haven't had a major incident within the operating life of the old line. We live in a fossil fuel world right now, and we need to make sure it's done responsibly. Do you not agree? We can ban tanker traffic and oil production sure, and wouldn't that be great. I'm not saying I want to live my whole life in a fossil fuel world. But you have to admit, it's what we're living in right now. We can't just throw arms up and say stop it all, when we all consume so much energy on a daily basis. I know people like to say that we should, but I really honestly don't think people would be willing to give up most of their daily comforts for it. So where does that leave us...? Trying to produce it, transport it, and use it in the most efficient ways possible. Are we there? Heck no, we have a tonne of improvement to make! But with improving oil and gas efficiencies and building up our renewable energy sources I think it can achieve a completely 100% renewable future. We're on the same page, I'm not trying to create an argument. I'm only asking to look at the issue from both sides to understand the complete truth of it all. I'll end it at this...I do work in the industry, and I'm the first to tell people that one day I hope I don't have a job any more. But until that time, I'm going to be at the ground level trying to make a difference in the industry and voicing my opinion to all that I work with about a renewable future with out the needs of oil or gas or coal, am I the devils advocate? I don't think so, but to others maybe I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clam linguine Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 44 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I guess the issue has different sides to it. Here is another viewpoint. I guess citizens have to look at both sides and make up their own minds... http://sierraclub.bc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Kinder-Morgan-Victoria-fact-sheet-for-website.pdf About Us | Sierra Club Canada www.sierraclub.ca/en/about Our Mission. The mission of the Sierra Club Canada Foundation is to be a voice for the earth. We work to protect and preserve the natural environment and to empower people to be stewards of the earth in their communities. Canadian oil became the main target of the Sierra Club 10-15 years ago when they began receiving heavy funding from overseas to carry on the campaign. I say it's foreign oil money laundered through the UK. Sierra Club continues to have mysterious donors but lately billionaire elitist Michael Bloomberg seems to be taking the reins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Blah blah blah. Ya you should block then you can stop following me around. Go cry somewhere else about your girl losing. Wrong thread sunshine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 On 2017-01-13 at 0:24 AM, iwtl said: The biggest most costly act of socialism in earths History is the corporate socialism across North America. That is why we see the push for a $15 minimum wage. Any company paying less that that is relying on the middle class to top up their employees wages. That by definition is a form of socialism. Until we stop helping these companies keep wages down - we will never truly have a free market. In the last Federal election only 2 parties pushed a balanced budget. Conservatives and NDP. I do believe in a strong social justice saftey net and .... this is most important ... Anyone willing to work full time at any job should not be living in dire poverty and needing food banks to eat. In BC nearly all new jobs have been low wage part time jobs - just the kind of jobs that don't pay enough to live. BC needs jobs that pay enough to live and give hope to move up the ladder for better pay. I support refining oil at home - Keeping our raw logs in BC and shipping out a completed product. I do not support building our ships in Europe - hire their design teams to assist our ship builders and build them in BC if needed. I give you a plus 0.5 because I'm not sold on upping the minimum wage to 15$ for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 11 hours ago, clam linguine said: Canadian oil became the main target of the Sierra Club 10-15 years ago when they began receiving heavy funding from overseas to carry on the campaign. I say it's foreign oil money laundered through the UK. Sierra Club continues to have mysterious donors but lately billionaire elitist Michael Bloomberg seems to be taking the reins. http://www.nationalobserver.com/2016/11/14/analysis/how-scandal-plagued-company-gave-birth-kinder-morgan Kinder, once a lawyer for Rush Limbaugh’s family firm, was at Enron when it was formed in 1985 through a merger between InterNorth and Kinder's employer, Houston Natural Gas. Within five years, Kinder rose to the position of President and COO, helming the company until he was replaced in 1996 by the more charismatic Jeffrey Skilling, now serving a 24-year prison sentence for his role in the Enron scandal. Kinder capitalized on his ouster. Armed with a $20 million severance package, he joined with another Enron alumnus and university classmate, Bill Morgan, to buy up some pipelines and an Illinois rail-to-barge transfer terminal that Enron was unloading for a price tag of $40 million (the assets were worth $325 million). I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 @kingofsurrey You are very interesting you keep making totally baseless and inaccurate statements, then when you're called on it you don't respond. Cool strategy bud.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: @kingofsurrey You are very interesting you keep making totally baseless and inaccurate statements, then when you're called on it you don't respond. Cool strategy bud.. Blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Blah blah blah Exactly!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Blah blah blah You and I rarely agree but I will say at least you are putting forth a strong effort to use facts and articles to back up your opinion +1 bud hope you had a good holiday season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 59 minutes ago, TheOgRook said: You and I rarely agree but I will say at least you are putting forth a strong effort to use facts and articles to back up your opinion +1 bud hope you had a good holiday season. Except he isn't. Have you bothered checking out what he has said? Obviously not or you just can't read I guess. You can continue to follow around and look silly, thats fine but at least make at decent argument. You are following me around because you don't care for me, but what you're agreeing with is made up rubbish, see sall goods posts. You sure are very childish, I can only imagine what your customers think of you. Lucky for me I don't have to act professional because I live in a backwards, hillbilly, bush league dump, right. Honestly at least add something. Try and show you know something about the threads you keep popping up in. No one likes a fanboy kiddo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Except he isn't. Have you bothered checking out what he has said? Obviously not or you just can't read I guess. You can continue to follow around and look silly, thats fine but at least make at decent argument. You are following me around because you don't care for me, but what you're agreeing with is made up rubbish, see sall goods posts. You sure are very childish, I can only imagine what your customers think of you. Lucky for me I don't have to act professional because I live in a backwards, hillbilly, bush league dump, right. Honestly at least add something. Try and show you know something about the threads you keep popping up in. No one likes a fanboy kiddo. Personal attack at its best.. how am I following you?? I'm posting in threads I follow. You don't have ownership of threads. Keep it on topic. Surrey and I have battled a ton, wanted to give credit where credit was due, the difference is we don't trash each other and we come to the table with more that attacks and a complete lack of facts, Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 23 minutes ago, TheOgRook said: Personal attack at its best.. how am I following you?? I'm posting in threads I follow. You don't have ownership of threads. Keep it on topic. Surrey and I have battled a ton, wanted to give credit where credit was due, the difference is we don't trash each other and we come to the table with more that attacks and a complete lack of facts, Jack. Big surprise you don't get along with most people. Lol. Thought you were blocking me. Again no credit is due but w/e you really aren't worth it. Personal attack. Lol what??? Some people's kids... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 The should be Premier!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 5 hours ago, TheOgRook said: Personal attack at its best.. how am I following you?? I'm posting in threads I follow. You don't have ownership of threads. Keep it on topic. Surrey and I have battled a ton, wanted to give credit where credit was due, the difference is we don't trash each other and we come to the table with more that attacks and a complete lack of facts, Jack. Thanks , yes we have battled a ton in the past. This poster Ryan just seems like the type to only see one side of an issue. Wow life would be so simple for us all if we only saw issues in a black and white manner..... The issue if very complicated . Not back and white at all. Yes i can see both sides. Alberta economy, Canadian economy at stake... Rail vs Pipeline. Global warming issues... Very complex. The thing is though, we each have to find our bottom line. I am very involved with and interested in preserving the Fraser river salmon. All species. Sockeye, Springs, Chum , Coho , Steelhead and Pinks... Worst returns this year in 100 years. My focus is on leaving something behind for my grandkids. Whether this costs me financially or not, frankly i don't care. It is now about leaving something left for my grandkids. Douches working in the oil patch that only care about a paycheck..... well i only feel sorry for them. Its not about us... its now about what we can leave for our grand kids when we are gone..... We are destroying our eco systems and environment. Honestly, i have enough money. I just want to see a bit of our beautiful BC left so my grand kid can see what i got to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: The should be Premier!! Just another dirty poison dealer with no morals or ethics. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 6 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: 6 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Thanks , yes we have battled a ton in the past. This poster Ryan just seems like the type to only see one side of an issue. Wow life would be so simple for us all if we only saw issues in a black and white manner..... The issue if very complicated . Not back and white at all. Yes i can see both sides. Alberta economy, Canadian economy at stake... Rail vs Pipeline. Global warming issues... Very complex. The thing is though, we each have to find our bottom line. I am very involved with and interested in preserving the Fraser river salmon. All species. Sockeye, Springs, Chum , Coho , Steelhead and Pinks... Worst returns this year in 100 years. My focus is on leaving something behind for my grandkids. Whether this costs me financially or not, frankly i don't care. It is now about leaving something left for my grandkids. Douches working in the oil patch that only care about a paycheck..... well i only feel sorry for them. Its not about us... its now about what we can leave for our grand kids when we are gone..... We are destroying our eco systems and environment. Honestly, i have enough money. I just want to see a bit of our beautiful BC left so my grand kid can see what i got to see. Are you all about saving the environment as long as it ain't about taking your car? I mean I can see you truly believe in it as you must be using green power to have this discussion and not hydro that damages waterways hard. Clearly you are using some type of community media device as everyone having their own would put to much damage during the manufacturing process on the planet. I bet you're out protesting the Japanese power plants and the coal usuage china presents. You must protest India's manufacturing as well. Or is it only about the tarsands right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 9 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Thanks , yes we have battled a ton in the past. This poster Ryan just seems like the type to only see one side of an issue. Wow life would be so simple for us all if we only saw issues in a black and white manner..... The issue if very complicated . Not back and white at all. Yes i can see both sides. Alberta economy, Canadian economy at stake... Rail vs Pipeline. Global warming issues... Very complex. The thing is though, we each have to find our bottom line. I am very involved with and interested in preserving the Fraser river salmon. All species. Sockeye, Springs, Chum , Coho , Steelhead and Pinks... Worst returns this year in 100 years. My focus is on leaving something behind for my grandkids. Whether this costs me financially or not, frankly i don't care. It is now about leaving something left for my grandkids. Douches working in the oil patch that only care about a paycheck..... well i only feel sorry for them. Its not about us... its now about what we can leave for our grand kids when we are gone..... We are destroying our eco systems and environment. Honestly, i have enough money. I just want to see a bit of our beautiful BC left so my grand kid can see what i got to see. "Douches"? Should I report this so you can sit for a bit? You don't know the first thing about the oil industry. You have probably never left Surrey-the dirtiest crime invested city goin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 3 hours ago, Standing_Tall#37 said: I doubt he protests those Asian countries... But ya you totally nailed it spot on. He is a total hypocrite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: You don't know the first thing about the oil industry. You have probably never left Surrey-the dirtiest crime invested city goin. You are correct. Very ignorant choice of words on my point. Lots of great people working in the oil industry and many are working to move it forward. People have the right to work in whatever industry they choose to . By all accounts the Canadian Oil industry is greener than most other countries... and by what people say it is getting greener all the time. People do need to earn a decent income and oil industry jobs pay liveable wages. The issues are complex. Hopefully some kind of middle ground can be found and maybe technology will produce clean (cleaner) energy sooner than later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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