Canada Hockey Place Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Misfortune?? Uh yeah. The opposite of fortune or prosperity. Of which may be a surprise to some, is not always about money. Truthfully I hope Jt pisses off B.C with this pipeline. I hope he makes Ontario and Quebec mad as well. I'm all for going back to a Government that doesn't blow money ridiculously and actually creates jobs. Pierre said in 1971 just a modest deficit, that snowballed into a finacial crisis by the mid 90's. The only good thing the drama teacher has done so far has approved this project and the line 3 project also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 51 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Truthfully I hope Jt pisses off B.C with this pipeline. I hope he makes Ontario and Quebec mad as well. I'm all for going back to a Government that doesn't blow money ridiculously and actually creates jobs. Pierre said in 1971 just a modest deficit, that snowballed into a finacial crisis by the mid 90's. The only good thing the drama teacher has done so far has approved this project and the line 3 project also. See how you totally didn't once in any way actually talk about the point he was making? Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clam linguine Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: lol cute, $25-50mil a year. This is a windfall. Rail traffic brings $0. 10 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: A spill will cost hundreds if not thousands of times that to "clean up" and probably permanently damage the environment. Your vacation flight will not crash, and there will be no spill. A mechanism to deal with other spill incidents will now be available. Nothing is permanent in nature. 10 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: Also 95%+ of the profits will be going to executives and to an American corporation. Sweet, some new token jobs while we ship out our natural resources and enrich the already obscenely wealthy foreigners. Pipelines are publicly owned. They are a favorite of Canadian pension funds. Executives get a miniscule amount of the profits. 10 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: Imagine what our gas prices would look like if we actually kept our oil. If we kept our oil you likely wouldn't be able to afford a car. 10 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: The BC liberals are just conservatives. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 42 minutes ago, Canada Hockey Place said: Uh yeah. The opposite of fortune or prosperity. Of which may be a surprise to some, is not always about money. I want prosperity for all Canadians, you and some others appear to not want that, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, inane said: See how you totally didn't once in any way actually talk about the point he was making? Yeah... Lol then maybe you and I are similar hey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol then maybe you and I are similar hey? I'd be happy to discuss this or any other topic, but it's hard when you reply with so many non-sequiturs and false equivalencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 Politics - full of dishonesty, deceit and greed. You wonder why no one respects politicians nowdays....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Politics - full of dishonesty, deceit and greed. You wonder why no one respects politicians nowdays....... Finally we agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So.... given that we already have 30 other kinds of tankers (including oil) in the area on a typical day in Vancouver, I'm very happy we're going to have an actual spill response centre out of this. One more tanker per day out of Burnaby bumps the risk from 30 to 31 tankers in the area, not a big deal given the new safety measures. Right now we can't even handle a spill from a decent sized yacht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 5 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: So.... given that we already have 30 other kinds of tankers (including oil) in the area on a typical day in Vancouver, I'm very happy we're going to have an actual spill response centre out of this. One more tanker per day out of Burnaby bumps the risk from 30 to 31 tankers in the area, not a big deal given the new safety measures. Right now we can't even handle a spill from a decent sized yacht. Oh i never realized we already had 30 tankers a day full of dirty bitumen crude oil in Van harbour every day.... Are you sure or are you just BS'ing us again... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dittohead Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 pipe it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 23 hours ago, Moonshinefe said: lol cute, $25-50mil a year. A spill will cost hundreds if not thousands of times that to "clean up" and probably permanently damage the environment. Also 95%+ of the profits will be going to executives and to an American corporation. Sweet, some new token jobs while we ship out our natural resources and enrich the already obscenely wealthy foreigners. Imagine what our gas prices would look like if we actually kept our oil. The BC liberals are just conservatives. So...what's your solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: So.... given that we already have 30 other kinds of tankers (including oil) in the area on a typical day in Vancouver, I'm very happy we're going to have an actual spill response centre out of this. One more tanker per day out of Burnaby bumps the risk from 30 to 31 tankers in the area, not a big deal given the new safety measures. Right now we can't even handle a spill from a decent sized yacht. Why are B.cers so happy with poverty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 16 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: The Federal liberals support it as well. Let me guess ndp and socialism for you? The biggest dippers - taxers and socialists in BC are the BC Liberals. The propagandist driven comments show how ill informed most right wing supporters are. Corporate socialism is killing the middle class across north America. Companies that are driving BC pay so little that their workers need massive financial support from the tax payers to survive. The hand up is being paid not by the rich or the poor but the working class. Socialism is alive and well for the BC Liberals .... just to a different class. And really after all the lies over LNG last election, and the historic court case losses for the BC Liberals in the teachers and Bill 29 that we the middle class taxpayers are paying hundreds of millions on .... Isn't it time to face facts? The BC Liberals need to stop dipping into the the pockets of us working folks to feed the corporate socialism that is being used to replace Capitalism which is failing. Once the Capitalists dipped into our pockets to cover their employee costs - it is no longer free market ... its a form of socialism ( corporate ). Suggesting someone is NDP vs Liberal is a compliment these days - with the BC Liberal record what it is. Anyhow back to the topic of the pipeline - since when does being an environmentalist mean your a socialist NDP member? It doesn't. I know many extreme right wing supporters who are not in favor of pipelines. Just as I know many NDP folks who support the pipeline. This issue is not limited to right wing or left wing ideology. The environmental concerns are being voiced equally from people on all sides of the political spectrum. The devil will be in the fine print on this. If there is an oil spill is it clearly laid out who pays ? Who gets compensated for lost revenue from an oil spill? Just the government or local fishermen - tourism operators - property owners etc? In most major oil spills this century - governments have had to take the oil companies to court for full settlement. What provisions protect us in case of catastrophic spills and Kinder not having enough money to fix everything? Have all impacted First nations groups given the thumbs up? If not and we see a massive police requirement - who pays ( think standing rock ). If it isn't spelled out who pays then the tax payers will be on the hook. Also residents of Burnaby mountain. Have their concerns been met? BC Liberals said all of BC's concerns have been covered and met. I would suggest that does not pass the sniff test. I am hoping they publish the full details soon. I want to know that if we haven a standing rock type incident in BC that it will be Kinder Morgan covering the entire tab for it and not the tax payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Why are B.cers so happy with poverty? Until we ditch the BC Liberals this will continue. Their race to ship unrefined - raw product - contract out - privatizing is all keeping the wages low. Don't let the fact that nearly 2 decades of them and us still near the top of household debt and child poverty, blindly trump logic..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, iwtl said: The biggest dippers - taxers and socialists in BC are the BC Liberals. The propagandist driven comments show how ill informed most right wing supporters are. Corporate socialism is killing the middle class across north America. Companies that are driving BC pay so little that their workers need massive financial support from the tax payers to survive. The hand up is being paid not by the rich or the poor but the working class. Socialism is alive and well for the BC Liberals .... just to a different class. And really after all the lies over LNG last election, and the historic court case losses for the BC Liberals in the teachers and Bill 29 that we the middle class taxpayers are paying hundreds of millions on .... Isn't it time to face facts? The BC Liberals need to stop dipping into the the pockets of us working folks to feed the corporate socialism that is being used to replace Capitalism which is failing. Once the Capitalists dipped into our pockets to cover their employee costs - it is no longer free market ... its a form of socialism ( corporate ). Suggesting someone is NDP vs Liberal is a compliment these days - with the BC Liberal record what it is. Anyhow back to the topic of the pipeline - since when does being an environmentalist mean your a socialist NDP member? It doesn't. I know many extreme right wing supporters who are not in favor of pipelines. Just as I know many NDP folks who support the pipeline. This issue is not limited to right wing or left wing ideology. The environmental concerns are being voiced equally from people on all sides of the political spectrum. The devil will be in the fine print on this. If there is an oil spill is it clearly laid out who pays ? Who gets compensated for lost revenue from an oil spill? Just the government or local fishermen - tourism operators - property owners etc? In most major oil spills this century - governments have had to take the oil companies to court for full settlement. What provisions protect us in case of catastrophic spills and Kinder not having enough money to fix everything? Have all impacted First nations groups given the thumbs up? If not and we see a massive police requirement - who pays ( think standing rock ). If it isn't spelled out who pays then the tax payers will be on the hook. Also residents of Burnaby mountain. Have their concerns been met? BC Liberals said all of BC's concerns have been covered and met. I would suggest that does not pass the sniff test. I am hoping they publish the full details soon. I want to know that if we haven a standing rock type incident in BC that it will be Kinder Morgan covering the entire tab for it and not the tax payers. Yet another supporting B.C poverty... I praise the day when B.Cers actually earn a decent living and don't lead the Country in child poverty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, Heretic said: So...what's your solution? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/refinery-planned-for-stoughton-saskatchewan-1.3881687 Although I am not right wing politically - Brad Wall certainly is and kudos for that province refining product at the source ..lots of good paying jobs to build it and run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, iwtl said: Until we ditch the BC Liberals this will continue. Their race to ship unrefined - raw product - contract out - privatizing is all keeping the wages low. Don't let the fact that nearly 2 decades of them and us still near the top of household debt and child poverty, blindly trump logic..... Lol how old were you in the 90s under the socialism machine? They did great things for bc lmfao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, iwtl said: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/refinery-planned-for-stoughton-saskatchewan-1.3881687 Although I am not right wing politically - Brad Wall certainly is and kudos for that province refining product at the source ..lots of good paying jobs to build it and run it Lefties constantly oppose refineries in B.C. what is your answer? More underemployed in B.C? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Just now, Ryan Strome said: Lol how old were you in the 90s under the socialism machine? They did great things for bc lmfao! Arguing with your ilk is like argueing with Americans who belive Trump will get Mexico to pay for a wall - your so blindly buried in your parties ideology that you're no longer capable of arguing facts - As you simply stick to the party line , you miss out on actually debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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