Canadian Armed Forces Thread

[Gurn]

The first Arctic Patrol ship is now in salt water:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/arctic-and-offshore-patrol-vessel-launch-halifax-harbour-1.4825459

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The first of the Arctic offshore patrol ships to be built in Halifax launched in the harbour Saturday.

The vessel will soon be known as HMCS Harry DeWolf, named after a Nova Scotia native who was one of Canada's most distinguished sailors during the Second World War."

"According to Irving Shipbuilding, the Arctic and offshore patrol ship — at 6,615 tonnes — is the largest Royal Canadian Navy ship built in Canada in 50 years."

[Violator]

26 minutes ago, gurn said:

The first Arctic Patrol ship is now in salt water:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/arctic-and-offshore-patrol-vessel-launch-halifax-harbour-1.4825459

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The first of the Arctic offshore patrol ships to be built in Halifax launched in the harbour Saturday.

The vessel will soon be known as HMCS Harry DeWolf, named after a Nova Scotia native who was one of Canada's most distinguished sailors during the Second World War."

"According to Irving Shipbuilding, the Arctic and offshore patrol ship — at 6,615 tonnes — is the largest Royal Canadian Navy ship built in Canada in 50 years."

They should build more its gonna get cheaper and easier to build ships now.

[BPA]

1 hour ago, Violator said:

They should build more its gonna get cheaper and easier to build ships now.

I truly hope so.  Revitalize the ship building industry in Canada.   At one time, it was among the best in the world. 

[Violator]

1 hour ago, BPA said:

I truly hope so.  Revitalize the ship building industry in Canada.   At one time, it was among the best in the world. 

I know my family was part of that then the 80s hit....

[MattJVD]

On 9/16/2018 at 1:33 PM, gurn said:

The first Arctic Patrol ship is now in salt water:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/arctic-and-offshore-patrol-vessel-launch-halifax-harbour-1.4825459

"

The first of the Arctic offshore patrol ships to be built in Halifax launched in the harbour Saturday.

The vessel will soon be known as HMCS Harry DeWolf, named after a Nova Scotia native who was one of Canada's most distinguished sailors during the Second World War."

"According to Irving Shipbuilding, the Arctic and offshore patrol ship — at 6,615 tonnes — is the largest Royal Canadian Navy ship built in Canada in 50 years."

Kind of a waist of a good hull. They might as well be DFO vessels, nearly unarmed.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, MattJVD said:

Kind of a waist of a good hull. They might as well be DFO vessels, nearly unarmed.

That is concerning for sure. The Senate proposed that the government scrap those and build new ones. I'm still excited and I hope all 6 get built but they need to look at arming them in the future.

[MattJVD]

5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

That is concerning for sure. The Senate proposed that the government scrap those and build new ones. I'm still excited and I hope all 6 get built but they need to look at arming them in the future.

Yeah, that's certianly possible. The frames can fit a decent weapons suite, hopefully the fire control radar/sonor systems can fit on the vessels too.

[MattJVD]

On 2018-09-16 at 2:00 PM, Violator said:

They should build more its gonna get cheaper and easier to build ships now.

The design and contract work recently completed for 15 multi-role frigates dubbed the "Canadian Surface Combatant" programme. They are expected to start construction in the early 2020s. It's based on the Royal Navy's type 26 ship. Though it's classified as a 'frigate', it'll be larger than any destoryer the RCN has ever operated at roughly 150 metres long and 6500 to 7000 tonnes.

 

[Ryan Strome]

4 hours ago, MattJVD said:

The design and contract work recently completed for 15 multi-role frigates dubbed the "Canadian Surface Combatant" programme. They are expected to start construction in the early 2020s. It's based on the Royal Navy's type 26 ship. Though it's classified as a 'frigate', it'll be larger than any destoryer the RCN has ever operated at roughly 150 metres long and 6500 to 7000 tonnes.

 

Well it hasn't been officially announced but yes anyone that follows this stuff knows the type 26 will win. Call it rigged if you want but that is the most advanced ship in the world.

[SabreFan1]

9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Well it hasn't been officially announced but yes anyone that follows this stuff knows the type 26 will win. Call it rigged if you want but that is the most advanced ship in the world.

Jumping the gun a bit quick are we?  They haven't even finalized it's complete loadout yet. 

 

With the Russians finally launching their newest stealth frigates after a couple of delays, I'm thinking calling the type-26 the world's most advanced is talking it up just a bit.  Did any of the Type 26's semi-stealth characteristics besides the propulsion even survive the redesigns it went through to make it cheaper?  They touted them initially a few years back but didn't say much about it after the redesigns.

 

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-type-26-frigate-could-be-the-most-capable-royal-navy-warship-in-decades-if-funded-properly/

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The key factor that will determine the true capability of these ships is really quite simple, the funding put in place to arm it properly. Without proper funding the vessels will not be fitted out to their maximum potential with the wide range of weapons they’re designed for and as such are likely to see the vast sums of money already spent on their design and build, spent in vein.

 

[MattJVD]

1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said:

Jumping the gun a bit quick are we?  They haven't even finalized it's complete loadout yet. 

 

With the Russians finally launching their newest stealth frigates after a couple of delays, I'm thinking calling the type-26 the world's most advanced is talking it up just a bit.  Did any of the Type 26's semi-stealth characteristics besides the propulsion even survive the redesigns it went through to make it cheaper?  They touted them initially a few years back but didn't say much about it after the redesigns.

 

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-type-26-frigate-could-be-the-most-capable-royal-navy-warship-in-decades-if-funded-properly/

 

I wouldn't call it the most advanced ship in the world. But it makes good use of new technologies and is a very capable warship.

 

The Royal Navy's type 45 destroyer, however. Is probably the best air-defense ship in the world.

[SabreFan1]

3 minutes ago, MattJVD said:

I wouldn't call it the most advanced ship in the world. But it makes good use of new technologies and is a very capable warship.

 

The Royal Navy's type 45 destroyer, however. Is probably the best air-defense ship in the world.

I've only kept up with the Type 26 frigate off and on for a few years.  Another problem with calling it the most advanced ship is that it's a frigate.  Ship would mean all boats. 

 

I'd love to take the main gun from the Type 26 and slap it onto the LCS frigate though!  That gun is nasty!

[Rob_Zepp]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4463518/veterans-with-ptsd-denied-service-dogs-despite-positive-study/

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EXCLUSIVE: Veterans denied service dogs despite gov’t report showing ‘significant’ reduction in PTSD

By Brian Hill and Mercedes Stephenson Global NewsYS DECISION ON PAYING FOR PTSD DOGS FOR VETSX

 

WATCH ABOVE: An extensive study commissioned by Ottawa has determined service dogs can help veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder. But the Trudeau Liberals won't commit to funding the animals, and veterans are demanding to know why. Mercedes Stephenson has a Global News exclusive.

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Update: This story includes an updated response from Veteran Affairs Canada received after the story was first published.

 

Canadian veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) are out of luck if they expect the government to help them find a service dog anytime soon.

That’s because the Department of Veteran Affairs (VAC) continues to deny veterans and their families funding for service dogs despite growing evidence showing their effectiveness in treating PTSD and its related symptoms.

 

READ MORE:Trudeau Liberals leave $372M meant to help veterans unspent since taking office

 

“The difference [between having a dog and not having a dog] can best be described as night and day,” said Medric Cousineau, an air force veteran and the founder of Paws Fur Thought, an organization that helps match former soldiers with service dogs.

“It may not seem like a huge difference to the average person, but for those of us battling those demons, it’s huge.”

VAC’s continued denial of funding for service dogs comes on the heels of a government-commissioned report obtained exclusively by Global News that shows “significant” reductions in PTSD symptoms and an overall improvement in the quality of life for veterans matched with service dogs.

 

WATCH: Here’s how one veteran says a service dog changed his life

 

 

 

 

 

Researcher at Quebec City’s Université Laval – who followed 31 veterans and their dogs since 2016 – also found significant improvements in sleep quality, self-esteem, depression and mobility, meaning veterans who participated in the pilot project spent less time in bed and more time accomplishing tasks on their own.

 

READ MORE: Injured veterans forced to wait months for support, disability benefits, government watchdog finds

 

While recognizing the cost for providing service dogs isn’t cheap – roughly $15,000 per dog – Cousineau says the government is failing in its promise to provide veterans with the services they need.

 

“What it boils down to is dollars and cents,” Cousineau said.“I don’t know how they can sleep … trying to reconcile human lives based on dollars. It makes no sense to me.”

Government silent on where to go next

The final report was delivered to Veteran Affairs at the end of July, roughly eight weeks ago.

Yet the government has remained silent on whether the report’s findings will be accepted and whether veterans will begin receiving funding for service dogs.

 

WATCH: Veterans Affairs Minister Seamus O’Regan says he has not yet read report commissioned on PTSD service dogs

 

Seamus O’Regan, the minister of veteran affairs, could not comment on the report when questioned by Global News, saying he hadn’t read it yet.

“I’m going to go read it now,” O’Regan said Tuesday on Parliament Hill. “As soon as I’ve read it, we will come back as quickly as possible,” he said.

READ MORE: Military veterans lose disability pension fight

Asked when veterans can expect a decision on whether they’ll receive funding for service dogs, O’Regan could not answer.

“I’ve got to read [the study] before I can give you an answer,” he said. “So let me read it.”

Government ‘stalling,’ sources say

Meanwhile, sources close to the pilot project tell Global News the government is “stalling,” delaying its efforts to implement the report’s findings until they’ve received additional information.

 

The sources say the government now wants to wait for an American study showing service dogs improve the quality of life for veterans suffering from PTSD before making a decision.

 

This is despite the fact Veteran Affairs has already reviewed a previous American study with similar results to the Canadian report, according to the sources.

WATCH: PM Justin Trudeau won’t say when veterans can expect full-funding for service dogs

Veteran Affairs told Global News it is “reviewing” the report’s findings, but did not provide an answer on when veterans can expect direct funding for service dogs.

The government did, however, say it already provides limited funding to support service dogs through a tax credit, saving veterans “hundreds” of dollars a year.

“In Budget 2018 we expanded the Medical Expense Tax Credit to recognize costs for psychiatric service dogs,” said a government spokesperson.

This means we will be helping veterans who rely on psychiatric service dogs, and it actually complements the work of organizations that support them, such as Paws Fur Thought.”

WATCH: Trudeau Liberals leave $372M meant to help veterans unspent since taking office

 

But those who work with veterans closely say this answer isn’t good enough and that the government has had years to make its decision.

“We’ve seen service dogs literally change and save lives,” said Phil Ralph, national director of Wounded Warriors, a charity that has provided 110 service dogs to veterans and first responders.

READ MORE: Veteran frustrated feds won’t pay for costs related to wife’s dementia

Since launching their service dog project, Ralph says Wounded Warriors has received roughly 12 requests a week from veterans. But he says the organization is overwhelmed and has since shut down its application process because the wait list is now more than two years.

“It’s been dragging out far too long,” he said. “There are individuals out there that are in desperate need of service dogs. There is only so much capacity in the charitable sector.”

© 2018 Global News, a division of Corus Entertainment Inc.

 

[MattJVD]

35 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

I've only kept up with the Type 26 frigate off and on for a few years.  Another problem with calling it the most advanced ship is that it's a frigate.  Ship would mean all boats. 

 

I'd love to take the main gun from the Type 26 and slap it onto the LCS frigate though!  That gun is nasty!

"Frigate" doesn't mean much any more, it's a 7000 tonne 150 meter long ship. That's somewhere between a WWII destroyer and Cruiser, and equal too most later 20th century destroyers. I'm not really sure why, but ships classed as frigates are getting much larger and more capable.

[SabreFan1]

1 hour ago, MattJVD said:

"Frigate" doesn't mean much any more, it's a 7000 tonne 150 meter long ship. That's somewhere between a WWII destroyer and Cruiser, and equal too most later 20th century destroyers. I'm not really sure why, but ships classed as frigates are getting much larger and more capable.

I'm already decently up to date on the specs on the Type 26's.  I just haven't been following it like I follow jets.  The article that I posted a couple posts ago was the first thing I had read about it in months and I only caught it a couple of weeks ago.

 

Frigate does have a meaning.  It's a multi-role warship.  That's why the Type 26 is so big.  It's made to carry not only interchangeable armaments, but also special ops amphibious vehicles.  The size slows the ship down, but it also gives it the space for extra endurance upgrades. 

 

It has nearly twice the range of an LCS, but the US doesn't have the need to design crazy endurance into it's frigates because of it's insane amount of infrastructure on both land and at sea.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, MattJVD said:

"Frigate" doesn't mean much any more, it's a 7000 tonne 150 meter long ship. That's somewhere between a WWII destroyer and Cruiser, and equal too most later 20th century destroyers. I'm not really sure why, but ships classed as frigates are getting much larger and more capable.

Cruisers and destroyers are a thing of the past. Ships will now be multi role multi purpose ships. Russia has massive ships that classed as corvettes.

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, SabreFan1 said:

Jumping the gun a bit quick are we?  They haven't even finalized it's complete loadout yet. 

 

With the Russians finally launching their newest stealth frigates after a couple of delays, I'm thinking calling the type-26 the world's most advanced is talking it up just a bit.  Did any of the Type 26's semi-stealth characteristics besides the propulsion even survive the redesigns it went through to make it cheaper?  They touted them initially a few years back but didn't say much about it after the redesigns.

 

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-type-26-frigate-could-be-the-most-capable-royal-navy-warship-in-decades-if-funded-properly/

 

Type 26 and the fremm are the way of the future. I believe the US is outsourcing it's 20 new frigates aren't they?

[SabreFan1]

58 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Type 26 and the fremm are the way of the future. I believe the US is outsourcing it's 20 new frigates aren't they?

The LCS?  No.  That hugely overpriced piece of hardware is created by an Alabama contractor.

 

 

[MattJVD]

1 hour ago, SabreFan1 said:

I'm already decently up to date on the specs on the Type 26's.  I just haven't been following it like I follow jets.  The article that I posted a couple posts ago was the first thing I had read about it in months and I only caught it a couple of weeks ago.

 

Frigate does have a meaning.  It's a multi-role warship.  That's why the Type 26 is so big.  It's made to carry not only interchangeable armaments, but also special ops amphibious vehicles.  The size slows the ship down, but it also gives it the space for extra endurance upgrades. 

 

It has nearly twice the range of an LCS, but the US doesn't have the need to design crazy endurance into it's frigates because of it's insane amount of infrastructure on both land and at sea.

It does, or did rather. Originally it was light vessel made for speed and maneuverability. In the 18th century that became more specific to mean a three masted, square sailed, vessel that has all on its guns on one deck. When steam came around, it kept the definition of "all guns on one deck" but got rid of the sails and masts of course. By the second world war, frigate was strictly a weight class. Meaning larger than a corvette and smaller than a destroyer, and it kept that definition for a few decades. 

 

I really just mean that the 1930s to 80s?(who knows when the definition ended) Definition of "smaller than a destroyer" is kind of meaningless. The term 'frigate' is just coming to mean multirole workhorse, when it has traditionally been used for smaller vessels. 

Edited September 20, 2018 by MattJVD

[Ryan Strome]

35 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

The LCS?  No.  That hugely overpriced piece of hardware is created by an Alabama contractor.

 

 

The FFG(X) program could end up picking the fremm. Thats what I meant.

 

Similar to Canada the US doesn't want to waste the time and money on a new design. I suppose outsource was the wrong word to use.