Popular Post Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 1.) not saying to get ride of him entirely, just at the managerial level as he undoubtably has restocked the prospect cupboard for us which can’t be denied 2.) should retain some sort of position, preferably something like president or VP of hockey operations to overlook things and continue sharing his expertise when it comes to drafting/prospects 3.) so why should he step down / be replaced as GM? Let’s look: That’s shocking. We have almost nothing of significance to show for over JB 5 year tenure. ...it’s no surprise we hired a newbie GM at the time. This critical transition phase the organization is in, we can’t be allowing this much trial&error with the scarce assets we have to work with in the first place. On top of the asset inefficiency, his inexperience as manager has been evident with the signings as well. Overpaying & giving extended years to questionable players, just unnecessary. All it’s done is become dead weight which can’t be moved and will anchor the roster in the years ahead. That manager inexperience? To continue, he hasn’t been able to commit to a plan or vision since day1. A rebuild was clear as day but the R word was never uttered until Linden became president. Prior to that he dodged it like the plague and would never admit it. Thought he could fast track by trading picks in the beginning when those picks could’ve been paying dividends for us right now. Too much flip flopping between ideologies. Remember “meat & potatoes”? That died shortly but then he couldn’t fully let it go either as evident by drafting Virtanen coming off a major surgery...he just couldn’t help himself. Even now, we struck gold with EP. Rebuild was endorsed but now that we got lucky and EP has fast forwarded that timeline, he thinks we can fight for a playoff(WC) spot. The man can’t help himself and begins jumping the gun too easily, can’t stay focused on the mission. Just far too much indecisiveness and it’s fair to say we’ve seen enough. Let’s get a proven GM who can be relied on to stay the course, not get ahead of himself, and let the nature of the rebuild take place organically while JB overlooks the draft aspect. I think that would be best for all parties. Stack up on maximum assets, get a cap structure going, get rid of bad contracts in this vital transition phase when we will shortly but surely be on the rise. Hypothetically, targeting an Yzerman or someone along those lines as GM+President would be ideal. Thoughts? EDIT summed up: > JB pro: drafting > JB cons: everything else about GMing (trades, signings, vision, commitment) > get someone who is better than Jimbo at the cons > keep Jimbo for the pro(prospects), just in a different/special role AKA I’m not saying cut him loose entirely Edited March 16, 2019 by Generational.EP40 3 1 7 45 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -AJ- Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 Honestly, the impatience of fans sometimes baffles me. It's like they expect a GM to be perfect in every aspect and turn a team from a bottom feeder to a contender in 2 years. Jimbo has made some mistakes, but you have to be really turning a blind eye not to see how drastically our future has turned around with him and Brackett at the helm. 5 4 3 59 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post D.B Cooper Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 Not even gonna read this. Just gonna say.......Nah. 3 4 7 3 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HorvatToBaertschi Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 Went from the worst prospect pool in the league to consistent top 5... with prospects graduating consistently as well... like what kind of thread is this ? 3 4 2 1 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Where's Wellwood Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 If you want to be fair you'd have to colour code the net out to see what's worthless there too 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RetroCanuck Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) hmmmm I thought Lockwood was still in the system. No point reading past that. Also why the hell is Brisebois and Palmu in the red. This thread is pointless with little correct information Edited March 16, 2019 by RetroCanuck 3 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pepe Silvia Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 Kesler handcuffed the team and Benning had zero leverage when moving him out. Dorsett was well worth the price we payed. Can't fault Benning for the guy needing his neck fused and eventually having to retire from it. Jim took over an old roster. There was absolutely nothing in the pipeline and he's done an excellent job refiling it. 3 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said: 1.) not saying to get ride of him entirely, just at the managerial level as he undoubtably has restocked the prospect cupboard for us which can’t be denied 2.) should retain some sort of position, preferably something like president or VP of hockey operations to overlook things and continue sharing his expertise when it comes to drafting/prospects 3.) so why should he step down / be replaced as GM? Let’s look: That’s shocking. We have almost nothing of significance to show for over JB 5 year tenure. ...it’s no surprise we hired a newbie GM at the time. This critical transition phase the organization is in, we can’t be allowing this much trial&error with the scarce assets we have to work with in the first place. On top of the asset inefficiency, his inexperience as manager has been evident with the signings as well. Overpaying & giving extended years to questionable players, just unnecessary. All it’s done is become dead weight which can’t be moved and will anchor the roster in the years ahead. That manager inexperience? To continue, he hasn’t been able to commit to a plan or vision since day1. A rebuild was clear as day but the R word was never uttered until Linden became president. Prior to that he dodged it like the plague and would never admit it. Thought he could fast track by trading picks in the beginning when those picks could’ve been paying dividends for us right now. Too much flip flopping between ideologies. Remember “meat & potatoes”? That died shortly but then he couldn’t fully let it go either as evident by drafting Virtanen coming off a major surgery...he just couldn’t help himself. Even now, we struck gold with EP. Rebuild was endorsed but now that we got lucky and EP has fast forwarded that timeline, he thinks we can fight for a playoff(WC) spot. The man can’t help himself and begins jumping the gun too easily, can’t stay focused on the mission. Just far too much indecisiveness and it’s fair to say we’ve seen enough. Let’s get a proven GM who can be relied on to stay the course, not get ahead of himself, and let the nature of the rebuild take place organically while JB overlooks the draft aspect. I think that would be best for all parties. Stack up on maximum assets, get a cap structure going, get rid of bad contracts in this vital transition phase when we will shortly but surely be on the rise. Hypothetically, targeting an Yzerman or someone along those lines as GM+President would be ideal. Thoughts? So you focus on the misses, but not the hits. Benning took over a team with 3 players from the Gillis era. Horvat, Hutton and Gaunce. The cupboard was bare, and you couldn't just trade away the Sedin's and Edler because Gillis gave out NTC's like business cards. Benning had no choice on Kesler, he wanted out and was only willing to go to one team. Did he make mistakes? Yes. EVERY GM makes mistakes. He's a least drafting NHL calibre players. He's getting 5th rounders to turn into NHLer's. He's at least not trading 2nd round picks in vain attempts to make the playoffs. Besides, why would Yzerman want to come here? Sounds like the only other place he'd want to go is Detroit. Maybe get together with The Guardian so you can both whine about Benning. 2 6 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: Honestly, the impatience of fans sometimes baffles me. It's like they expect a GM to be perfect in every aspect and turn a team from a bottom feeder to a contender in 2 years. Jimbo has made some mistakes, but you have to be really turning a blind eye not to see how drastically our future has turned around with him and Brackett at the helm. 2 minutes ago, -AJ- said: Honestly, the impatience of fans sometimes baffles me. It's like they expect a GM to be perfect in every aspect and turn a team from a bottom feeder to a contender in 2 years. Jimbo has made some mistakes, but you have to be really turning a blind eye not to see how drastically our future has turned around with him and Brackett at the helm. I’ll take that as you never read what was said and think this is a full out doxing. In which case it isn’t and are like many insecure fans who think of any criticism is an automatic no-no. Lol. All I’m saying is it’s time to hand someone else the keys to the shop all while JB can still work as a mechanic...I’m acknowledging the good he’s done as most fans do. It’s about time we acknowledge the bad - not over 1 or 2 yrs but 5. It’s a bad trend. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, RetroCanuck said: hmmmm I thought Lockwood was still in the system. No point reading past that. Candella and Tate Olson are also already given up on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Went from the worst prospect pool in the league to consistent top 5... with prospects graduating consistently as well... like what kind of thread is this ? Yea, there’s nothing wrong with that. How about we get someone to secure as many assets for Benning to draft with as possible. That wouldn’t be a bad idea would it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said: How about we get someone to secure as many assets for Benning to draft with as possible. That wouldn’t be a bad idea would it How would you suggest ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: hmmmm I thought Lockwood was still in the system. No point reading past that. Also why the hell is Brisebois and Palmu in the red. This thread is pointless with little correct information Technically he's not incorrect, we traded that pick away for Pedan in 2014, but then reacquired it later when we traded Bonino, Clendening and a 2nd round pick to the penguins two years later. 6 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: Candella and Tate Olson are also already given up on. Umm we have, we chose not to sign either of them to an ELC,. https://canucksarmy.com/2017/05/05/report-canucks-also-wont-sign-2015-draft-pick-tate-olson/ https://canucksarmy.com/2018/05/01/report-canucks-will-not-sign-2016-draft-picks-brett-mckenzie-and-cole-candella/ Come on people, I'm not saying I agree with this thread, since I actually want JB to stay, but if you're going to call someone out at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Edited March 16, 2019 by ForsbergTheGreat 3 2 2 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, BlastPast said: How would you suggest ? Read the post I explain why he shouldn’t be GM any longer. GMing being, more than just drafting. AKA the trades / assets / signings / team vision aspects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe Silvia Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Generational.EP40 said: Read the post I explain why he shouldn’t be GM any longer. GMing being, more than just drafting. AKA the trades / assets / signings / team vision aspects. Oh right, you want Steve Yzerman. Arguably the best GM in hockey, who I'm sure all 31 teams would want. Or a guy like Yzerman... which is who exactly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlastPast Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said: Read the post I explain why he shouldn’t be GM any longer. GMing being, more than just drafting. AKA the trades / assets / signings / team vision aspects. No, specifically. How would you go about "securing assets for the draft" ? What are your ideas ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Come on people, I'm not saying I agree with this thread, since I actually want JB to stay, but if you're going to call someone out at least make sure you know what you're talking about. Thank you haha For those like you who read it which is appreciated, I’m not saying to get rid of Benning entirely. Just at the managerial(GM) level. He can stay as advisor / head scout / hockey ops because obviously his expertise is drafting which we can’t lose out on. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 lol Nope, not gonna get on the Fire Benning bandwagon. Look at the mighty Kesler. 8 points in 60 games this year. He's not very good. Who cares what we got for him during Benning's first few months here. Kesler wanted out and gave one team. I think the return was good, considering. Okay, Canucks lost Sbisa to the Expansion Draft, and then Dorsett to career ending injury. Can't fault Benning for that. Gudbranson was traded for Pearson, who is having a much better year than Kesler. Sutter is still a decent bottom 6 C (when healthy) and Lockwood is going to be a good player for the Canucks. How's Mallett (Czech), Clendening (AHL) and Forsling (CHI) doing this year? Not very good by the looks of it. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Pepe Silvia said: Oh right, you want Steve Yzerman. Arguably the best GM in hockey, who I'm sure all 31 teams would want. Or a guy like Yzerman... which is who exactly? Yzerman isn’t GM anymore. So yea, as Forsberg said: 8 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Come on people, I'm not saying I agree with this thread, since I actually want JB to stay, but if you're going to call someone out at least make sure you know what you're talking about. :] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generational.EP40 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, BlastPast said: No, specifically. How would you go about "securing assets for the draft" ? What are your ideas ? Well a good start would be a GM who can go into a trade without the opposing GM knowing he has the upper hand on. Someone not inexperienced like JB because he’s underwhelming in the trade department which everyone knows. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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