Joe Biden Debates Donald Trump September 29

[Kragar]

30 minutes ago, Canorth said:

So their basically elite endorsements?

No. They get actual votes at the convention, IIRC as long as there is more than one candidate remaining by the time the convention rolls around.

 

So, in a close race, they can tip the scales away from a populist or radical candidate towards a moderate one.

 

Just one more way the Bernie Bros can end up getting pissed off, basically.

 

FYI, the GOP also has them too, but they have 3 per state who have to follow their state's popular vote.  So, not nearly as influential as the Dem ones.

[Boudrias]

57 minutes ago, Kragar said:

No. They get actual votes at the convention, IIRC as long as there is more than one candidate remaining by the time the convention rolls around.

 

So, in a close race, they can tip the scales away from a populist or radical candidate towards a moderate one.

 

Just one more way the Bernie Bros can end up getting pissed off, basically.

 

FYI, the GOP also has them too, but they have 3 per state who have to follow their state's popular vote.  So, not nearly as influential as the Dem ones.

To be clear you are saying the GOP is more democratic than the Democrats. The same Democratic Party that was the front for the

KKK for decades? 

[Lockout Casualty]

3 hours ago, Canorth said:

I don’t understand what these super delegates are

Democratic Party's first line of defense against democracy.

[Lockout Casualty]

1 hour ago, Boudrias said:

To be clear you are saying the GOP is more democratic than the Democrats. The same Democratic Party that was the front for the

KKK for decades? 

Yeah, and the Republicans are the party of Lincoln. 

 

[Warhippy]

3 hours ago, DonLever said:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/us/2020/03/02/biden-fights-for-momentum-in-democrats-shifting-primary.html

 

Buttigieg and Klobuchar endorses Joe Biden.

 

DALLAS - Rivals no more, Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg united behind Joe Biden’s presidential bid on Monday as the Democratic Party’s moderate wing scrambled to boost the former vice-president just hours before voting began across a series of high-stakes Super Tuesday states.

The urgency of the moment reflected deep concerns from the Democratic establishment that Bernie Sanders, a polarizing progressive, was positioned to seize a significant delegate lead when 14 states, one U.S. territory vote on Tuesday.

Klobuchar suspended her campaign and endorsed Biden just a day after Buttigieg announced his exit. Both Klobuchar and Buttigieg, who had been Biden’s chief competition for their party’s pool of more moderate voters over the last year, declared their public support for Biden on Monday evening at a rally in Dallas.

“I’m looking for a leader, I’m looking for a president, who will draw out what’s best in each of us,” Buttigieg said. “We have found that leader in vice-president, soon-to-be president, Joe Biden.”

The sweeping shifts come at a key crossroads in Democrats’ turbulent primary season as the party struggles to unify behind a clear message or messenger in its urgent quest to defeat President Donald Trump. Yet as a field that once featured more than two dozen candidates shrinks to just five, the choice for primary voters is becoming clearer.

On one side stands Biden, a 77-year-old lifelong politician who represents a pragmatic approach to governing that emphasizes bipartisanship and more modest change. On the other stands Sanders, a 78-year-old democratic socialist who has for decades demanded aggressive liberal shifts that seek to transform the nation’s political and economic systems.

 

 

If they're all folding to support Biden it means three things.

 

They were promised plum positions after the election

 

Bernie doesn't stand a chance because the DNC doesn't want him to winjo matter what the people want.

 

4 more years of tangerine Mussolini

[almo89]

DNC is gonna do what they can to screw Bernie. Didn't they learn from pushing Hilary last time? If they push Biden and he becomes the nominee, Trump is gonna eat him alive in the general. 

[Kragar]

28 minutes ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Yeah, and the Republicans are the party of Lincoln. 

 

Of course.

 

To this day, Republicans are doing more constructive things for black people than Dems.  Republicans want better border security and the prevention of illegal immigration far more than the Dems do, while the Democrats are quite happy to continue to import plenty of poor people from south of the border, which increases the demand for cheap housing and depresses wages.

[Lockout Casualty]

8 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Of course.

 

To this day, Republicans are doing more constructive things for black people than Dems.  Republicans want better border security and the prevention of illegal immigration far more than the Dems do, while the Democrats are quite happy to continue to import plenty of poor people from south of the border, which increases the demand for cheap housing and depresses wages.

Let me know when they go after the employers of undocumented workers and I might even entertain the idea that Republicans aren't outright worse at everything. Until then I will continue to defer to the 85% of black voters, who support any democratic nominee over the republican president, as to which party is doing more constructive things for them as a people.

 

Republicans, not racist, but #1 with racists. Nuff said.

[DonLever]

24 minutes ago, almo89 said:

DNC is gonna do what they can to screw Bernie. Didn't they learn from pushing Hilary last time? If they push Biden and he becomes the nominee, Trump is gonna eat him alive in the general. 

Biden has a better chance to beat Trump simply because Sanders is far too left for Middle  America.    The vast majority in the USA are middle of the road people more concerned with their pocketbook than social justice issues.

 

Hilary Clinton lost because of personality issues.  In other words a lot of people did not like her.   You can't say the same about Biden.  He is seen as more like a bumbling uncle than a Wicked Witch of the West Clinton.

 

[Tystick]

1 hour ago, DonLever said:

Biden has a better chance to beat Trump simply because Sanders is far too left for Middle  America.    The vast majority in the USA are middle of the road people more concerned with their pocketbook than social justice issues.

 

Hilary Clinton lost because of personality issues.  In other words a lot of people did not like her.   You can't say the same about Biden.  He is seen as more like a bumbling uncle than a Wicked Witch of the West Clinton.

 

IMO she lost because she's so obviously corrupt and fake, most can see through her act.

On top of that, she clearly stole the primary from Bernie.

I think America was sick and tired of the corruption in politics and took a chance on Trump.

[Tystick]

It doesn't matter who the Democrats elect, Trump is too popular.

It's not like Biden, Warren, and Sanders aren't corrupt.

[taxi]

On 2/29/2020 at 11:56 AM, Kragar said:

I would be curious to see how they would act if Bernie was actually a Democrat, instead of joining the party when it is convenient for a run at the presidency.

 

Just gotta love how the Dems run their own democracy.

Bernie runs under the Democratic banner, because he doesn't want to split the left. Not because it's convenient. It's anything but convenient for him.

[Toews]

9 hours ago, Boudrias said:

To be clear you are saying the GOP is more democratic than the Democrats. The same Democratic Party that was the front for the

KKK for decades? 

You are correct the Democratic party used to be a front for the KKK. The GOP is currently a front for the KKK, white supremacy and the far-right, they have taken over that base now in perpetuity. The GOP loves people of colour so much that they constantly try and undermine their votes by gerrymandering or making it more difficult for them to vote.

[CBH1926]

12 hours ago, Canorth said:

So their basically elite endorsements?

Pretty much, all democratic members of congress are super delegates including Sanders as well. I think there are total of 771 super delegates and they are all unpledged until the convention. They represent around 20% of the total delegates for the party. 

Edited March 3, 2020 by CBH1926

[CBH1926]

This whole kkk and the democrats nonsense, hate to tell you but 100-150 years ago majority of Americans and Canadians were racists.

Edited March 3, 2020 by CBH1926

[Kragar]

9 hours ago, Lockout Casualty said:

Let me know when they go after the employers of undocumented workers and I might even entertain the idea that Republicans aren't outright worse at everything. Until then I will continue to defer to the 85% of black voters, who support any democratic nominee over the republican president, as to which party is doing more constructive things for them as a people.

 

Republicans, not racist, but #1 with racists. Nuff said.

Of all things, why would going after the employers start to tip the scale for you?  The GOP does more to prevent illegal immigration and amnesty, both of which are harmful to poor Americans.  Could they do better?  Absolutely.  Are there Republican supporters who benefit from employing illegals?  Of course.  Are GOP policies generally better for black people.  Definitely.

 

Members of which party want to shut down the INS again?

 

How many sanctuary cities and states are led by Republicans?

 

How many Dems vote against school choice, preventing deserving inner-city kids from getting a better education in line with their abilities?

 

What will be interesting to see is how many more black people will support Trump this year compared to last year.  It takes time to overcome years of conditioning.  

[Kragar]

5 hours ago, taxi said:

Bernie runs under the Democratic banner, because he doesn't want to split the left. Not because it's convenient. It's anything but convenient for him.

Sure, I can see not wanting to split the vote.  But, he should join the Dems outright, full time, and work to build support within the party if he ever wanted to have DNC support.  But that's not his way.  Why should the party give a crap about him, when he doesn't represent the party?

 

He's the grumpy old uncle that ignores the family through the year but shows up during the holidays.  After all the festivities, there might be a big mess to clean up but the family is glad he is gone.

[taxi]

13 minutes ago, Kragar said:

Sure, I can see not wanting to split the vote.  But, he should join the Dems outright, full time, and work to build support within the party if he ever wanted to have DNC support.  But that's not his way.  Why should the party give a crap about him, when he doesn't represent the party?

 

He's the grumpy old uncle that ignores the family through the year but shows up during the holidays.  After all the festivities, there might be a big mess to clean up but the family is glad he is gone.

The party should do what's in their charter and treat all candidates fairly. The Democrats are not supposed to allow cronyism to run their party. 

 

Forcing Sanders to be a party insider and do a bunch of greasy favors, to people who supposedly price themselves on fairness and democracy, is not a solution.

[Kragar]

39 minutes ago, taxi said:

The party should do what's in their charter and treat all candidates fairly. The Democrats are not supposed to allow cronyism to run their party. 

 

Forcing Sanders to be a party insider and do a bunch of greasy favors, to people who supposedly price themselves on fairness and democracy, is not a solution.

I'm not saying anything about greasy favors, but that might ultimately be what it takes to succeed in politics.

 

He behaves very independently.  I have read he is difficult to work with, because he is a fairly strict ideologue.  If he struggles to get along with the party at the best of times, has difficulty making laws with his peers in the party, how much should the party really care?  Sure, he typically votes with them, but that's about it.  That makes him slightly more appealing than whatsherface RINO from Maine.

 

If he doesn't represent the party, he should not be a candidate for the party.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Kragar

[RUPERTKBD]

11 hours ago, Kragar said:

Of course.

 

To this day, Republicans are doing more constructive things for black people than Dems.  Republicans want better border security and the prevention of illegal immigration far more than the Dems do, while the Democrats are quite happy to continue to import plenty of poor people from south of the border, which increases the demand for cheap housing and depresses wages.

This is the first time I've heard the narrative that Trump is employing his racists policies out of altruistic intent for the betterment of black Americans. Interesting take....

 

I do have to wonder though, how black Americans would view your characterization that poor illegals are taking the low paid, service industry jobs away from them specifically, and not say, Alabama trailer trash, or California Latinos....