Arrow 1983 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I've been writing about this cap stuff for a month now being call all sorts of names but it doesn't matter what your call as long as your right 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I would laugh if Clarkson recovered suddenly and the Leafs had to put him on the roster. This move seems kind of pointless for both sides though. I think TSN was just starving for a Leafs headline so they did them a favour: Nah, the league would do an investigation and pronounce him unfit to play. Then Clarkson would just disappear entirely. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/joffrey-lupul-calls-leafs-instagram-says-cheat/ Lupul was never heard from again. Edited July 23, 2019 by Toews 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Aspie said: Well not really because even without the Horton and Clarkson contracts they will still be at the cap ceiling. They still have to sign Marner at under $10.5million and plug a couple no-names into the roster if they want to be under the cap with the LTIR artificial cap. Maybe it’s just because I look at those players as non-existent because they’ll never play another game. The problem Tor faced was Horton was all ready taking up cap space either they had to get rid of him or add another like him to max the Cap out and then recover it with LTIR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, EternalCanuckFan said: Don't Horton and Clarkson have to be included in the cap for opening night? If so, being able to place them on LTIR is great, but the Leafs have to first be cap compliant. It's not like they have a lot of high $ contracts for players who are waiver exempt (e.g. the Canucks could theoretically paper down Boeser to the AHL to start the season if they need to move around some contracts for opening night and then bring him back up once they start using LTIR). I'm probably missing something but seems odd. Quote Can LTIR be used in the off-season? Yes, LTIR can be used in the off-season while the 10% off-season cushion is active. LTIR in the off-season is calculated using the basic equation outlined above, which permits a team to exceed the off-season salary cap. To use off-season LTIR the team must provide doctors proof that the player in question will continue to be injured at the beginning of the regular season for 10 NHL games and 24 calendar days. At the start of the season the teams LTIR relief & ACSL is recalculated when the 10% cushion is removed. https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason If you are interested, you should read the entire article just to get a grasp on how LTIR functions. Edited July 23, 2019 by Toews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The Leafs can’t sign Marner but they can somehow take on dead salary? Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Maybe the Leafs have another deal worked out with Ottawa or another member of the poverty pack. Clarkson likely has positive value to Melnyk. However, the Leafs have an incompetent moron as a GM so maybe I'm thinking too much here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 TSNs headline is “Leafs trade backup Sparks, and gain cap flexibility”... Someone wanna explain to me how they gained cap flexibility? Sparks only had a cap hit of 750k for one more season. How is that providing flexibility? Are they gonna get a backup cheaper than that? Anything to praise the Leafs I guess. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, Toews said: https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq#offseason If you are interested, you should read the entire article just to get a grasp on how LTIR functions. So Marner will now sign on the 1st day of season open 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: TSNs headline is “Leafs trade backup Sparks, and gain cap flexibility”... Someone wanna explain to me how they gained cap flexibility? Sparks only had a cap hit of 750k for one more season. How is that providing flexibility? Are they gonna get a backup cheaper than that? Anything to praise the Leafs I guess. Marner will sign 1 day after the season starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pears said: The Leafs can’t sign Marner but they can somehow take on dead salary? Huh? Marner will sign day one after season start Edited July 24, 2019 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Arrow 1983 said: Marner will sign 1 day after the season starts Why? How does this affect Marner signing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Come on guys this is not difficult to figure out 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Doesn’t this cause an issue with tagging room? I haven’t read that clause in a while, but I believe you can’t exceed the cap by more than 10% with your signed players in the offseason (including the guys that will end up on LTIR).... this gives no Marner room until after the season starts and they are on LTIR. It seems like it has completely shut the door on negotiating with him.... maybe a bully move. EDIT: I seem to recall this came up a couple offseason ago (with Toronto again), and everyone thought they had pooched themselves out of signing Connor Brown. It was clarified they could use LTIR in the offseason to exceed the cap by more than the 10% allowed. So it is possible that some obscure CBA details mean it gives them more ability to use LTIR more efficiently to pay Marner. Edited July 24, 2019 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted July 24, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Arrow 1983 said: Come on guys this is not difficult to figure out Dubas is that you? 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therodigy Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Watch Clarkson pass his physical... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, Arrow 1983 said: Come on guys this is not difficult to figure out This changes nothing. Marner 'could have' signed on day 1 before this deal. You haven't really 'figured out' anything that anyone else here didn't already understand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Just now, oldnews said: This changes nothing. Marner 'could have' signed on day 1 before this deal. You haven't really 'figured out' anything that anyone else here didn't already understand. No kidding. I think everyone knows Clarkson will be on LTIR. How this helps them gain money for Marner is a mystery. Dubas should be focusing his energy on dumping salary not picking up dead cap for mid round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspie Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Why? How does this affect Marner signing? From what I’ve read so far, in the case Marner talks go into the season and he signs like Nylander did. Marner will not only get paid big bucks but it will also get prorated making it higher next season (Nylander’s cap hit was $10mil last season before coming back down). The flexibility is that they won’t have to move another massive contract to make room with the extra LTIR limit). It doesn’t effect their situation this offseason as much as if negotiations go into next season. I think this shows the Marner and the Leafs still are not close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: This changes nothing. Marner 'could have' signed on day 1 before this deal. You haven't really 'figured out' anything that anyone else here didn't already understand. Ltir only works if you are at the top of the cap or within range of the salary being replaced If your cap is 79.5 million and a player making 3 million gets injured you can only go over the cap by 1.0 million 79.5+3 =82.5 82.5-81.5= 1 mill 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Aspie said: From what I’ve read so far, in the case Marner talks go into the season and he signs like Nylander did. Marner will not only get paid big bucks but it will also get prorated making it higher next season (Nylander’s cap hit was $10mil last season before coming back down). The flexibility is that they won’t have to move another massive contract to make room with the extra LTIR limit). It doesn’t effect their situation this offseason as much as if negotiations go into next season. I think this shows the Marner and the Leafs still are not close. I’m not getting it. They still have to be cap compliant when the season starts even with the LTIR contracts. How does waiting until day 1 to sign Marner give them an extra 2-3 mil to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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