Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: what?? and allow different laws to stand for different parts of the country ? Allow the provinces jurisdiction over their own you know province. Alberta will win this. Lougheed would only sign the constitution if Alberta was given exclusive rights over it's resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: actually they let him back in to practice. wow really? i guess i lost track of him then mmmmmm.. well hope he got a longish time out and black marks on his record likely is on a short leash still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Allow the provinces jurisdiction over their own you know province. Alberta will win this. Lougheed would only sign the constitution if Alberta was given exclusive rights over it's resources. you have missed the point 2 other provinces have already reached a different conclusion then alberta so this now has to be resolved so there is consistency jt can no longer fix this the courts have to Edited February 24, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, coastal.view said: what?? and allow different laws to stand for different parts of the country ? Btw this already exists. Quebec imposed and cap and trade and it was accepted by Ottawa but no other province could do it. Quebec is also flagrantly violating the the charter and JT is doing nothing. So yes there very much is different rules for different parts of the country. Pretty sad as westerner you weren't aware of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, inane said: This might shock you, but there's more to being part of a nation than money. You throw around this 20 billion number in complete isolation and with no context relative the billions of other dollars that go back and forth between all provinces, and the uncountable other benefits that provinces enjoy being part of a country. I know it just suits your narrow narrative to pound on this point and I know you are set in stone in all your opinions, but man, this is incredibly complex. I do not get why you insist on wildly simplifying other than you seem to need to be 'right' about something. Without context? I have used context in this very thread. Alberta contributed around 50 billion and received 21 billion back for a difference of roughly 30 billion the next closest province was Ontario with a differential of 10 billion. Next time do your homework. Like @kingofsurrey I will have to charge for educating some of you. Edited February 24, 2020 by Ryan Strome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Btw this already exists. Quebec imposed and cap and trade and it was accepted by Ottawa but no other province could do it. Quebec is also flagrantly violating the the charter and JT is doing nothing. So yes there very much is different rules for different parts of the country. Pretty sad as westerner you weren't aware of this. Didn't Ontario previously use a cap and trade system? It was subsequently turfed by Ford when he got re-elected. What a huge blunder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Dazzle said: Didn't Ontario previously use a cap and trade system? It was subsequently turfed by Ford when he got re-elected. What a huge blunder! I don't think Ottawa was going to accept it. I think Ford preferred that didn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Without context? I have used context in this very thread. Alberta contributed around 50 billion and received 21 billion back for a difference of roughly 30 billion the next closest province was Ontario with a differential of 10 billion. Next time do your homework. Like @kingofsurrey I will have to charge for educating some of you. Bigger picture context. You rail on about how ignorant everyone is but refuse to look beyond your myopic narrow point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, inane said: Bigger picture context. You rail on about how ignorant everyone is but refuse to look beyond your myopic narrow point. Uh wut? Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 &^@# this! I want my $444! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Just now, Ryan Strome said: Uh wut? Please elaborate. You keep talking about this one pot of money that you give a portion to Ottawa and only receive a portion of back. And then you scream unfair and want to leave Canada. That pot is one of hundreds or thousands of pots not to mention the thousands of other intangible benefits and costs of being a province in the country. It's a lot more complicated than you try so hard to make it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Uh wut? Please elaborate. Soon when Alberta's oil and gas industry is collapsed.... would you be for or against Alberta getting net positive gov. assistance from Ottawa... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: &^@# this! I want my $444! Now JT will appeal this. Support for separation will be like 65% by spring I imagine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, inane said: You keep talking about this one pot of money that you give a portion to Ottawa and only receive a portion of back. And then you scream unfair and want to leave Canada. That pot is one of hundreds or thousands of pots not to mention the thousands of other intangible benefits and costs of being a province in the country. It's a lot more complicated than you try so hard to make it. I'm not arguing with you I'm simply asking you to explain what benefits does Alberta get? And how has Alberta benefited by being in Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Soon when Alberta's oil and gas industry is collapsed.... would you be for or against Alberta getting net positive gov. assistance from Ottawa... ? Will never collapse. It certainly is sad US money is funding clueless people like yourself to hurt your own nation while they have become the the biggest oil superpower in the world. Yup our neighbour under Obama but let's kill jobs here. #clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Soon when Alberta's oil and gas industry is collapsed.... would you be for or against Alberta getting net positive gov. assistance from Ottawa... ? I don't know good you expect that assistance to be when the flagging energy sector is poised to deep-six the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: &^@# this! I want my $444! Shift-4 needs new truck nuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: I don't think Ottawa was going to accept it. I think Ford preferred that didn't he? https://www.ontario.ca/page/cap-and-trade-program-overview They did have it. Ontario, California and Quebec were the shining examples of the system at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Dazzle said: https://www.ontario.ca/page/cap-and-trade-program-overview They did have it. Ontario, California and Quebec were the shining examples of the system at work. Thanks. It's my understanding cap and trade is a no go for non francophone provinces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 don't agree with the merge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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