stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: This. The recent comparables for Hughes would be the likes of Provorov and McAvoy. Neither of whom are anywhere near the dollars Stawns and others keep repeating/fearing. And both were pre-covid economy/cap stagnation. That's not going to do good things for player's contracts the next few years. I'm interested to see what Barzal ends up signing for this summer as well, as that will give us some indication of what to expect for Pettersson. And like you, I think it's closer to $7-$8m. Look at that, we just saved like $4m in cap space! The comparables for Hughes won't be Provorov or McAvoy. It'll be equal to or north of what Makar gets. Petey will be using Mathews and Marner as comparables, closer to Mathews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, mll said: Minnesota needs a C1 and not another winger. Staal has 1 year left and has shown his age. They are so desperate for top-6 Cs that they are playing Galchenyuk at C although all his previous teams gave up on him as a centre. Everyone covering the team and the main insiders say that the Wild don't want to break up their D-corps but would be willing to if they can get a C1 in return. So all proponents of trading Brock need to do is find a team that will take Brock(+)? from the Canucks, trade a C1 to Minny and then Minny trades a D to the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, shiznak said: Unless Hughes starts becoming a finalist for the Norris trophy these next few years. I highly doubt he gets the estimated money everybody seem to think he will get. Ditto with Pettersson. My guess Hughes’ next contract is closer to 5-6M, while Pettersson’s will come at around 7-8M. By that time, Edler’s, Sutter’s, Pearson’s and possibly Myres’ contracts will be off the book. No chance they're getting Hughes at $5-6m if he continues to play this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, gurn said: So all proponents of trading Brock need to do is find a team that will take Brock(+)? from the Canucks, trade a C1 to Minny and then Minny trades a D to the Canucks. Dumba is the D they would be willing to trade and he's not really the kind of D the Canucks need. Dumba does well in Minnesota because he had Suter and now Brodin that can cover for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, stawns said: No chance they're getting Hughes at $5-6m if he continues to play this way Could be between those numbers on a bridge deal, as Hughes is an RFA and also not eligible for offer sheets from other teams 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Junkyard Dog Posted July 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2020 Just now, stawns said: No chance they're getting Hughes at $5-6m if he continues to play this way Thing is Hughes has zero rights in his next contract. We don't have to worry about an offer-sheet. What I see happening is a bridge deal like Boeser where his next qualifying offer will be a pretty good amount. So a 5-6M 2-3 year deal with a 8M+ qualifying offer seems likely to me. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, stawns said: The comparables for Hughes won't be Provorov or McAvoy. It'll be equal to or north of what Makar gets. Petey will be using Mathews and Marner as comparables, closer to Mathews They're recent, top D, bridge contracts. I'm not talking play style, we're talking contracts. Makar is due at the same time as Hughes, unless Makar signs ahead of Hughes, there's nothing to compare as far as contracts go. Matthews signed pre-covid (also Toronto is/was ridiculous with their extensions). I'm sure his agent will mention Matthews but it won't remotely be the only factor or contact taken in to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Thing is Hughes has zero rights in his next contract. We don't have to worry about an offer-sheet. What I see happening is a bridge deal like Boeser where his next qualifying offer will be a pretty good amount. So a 5-6M 2-3 year deal with a 8M+ qualifying offer seems likely to me. That's no longer an option in the new CBA. Under the new rules the qualifying offer is the lesser between the last salary and 120% of the AAV of the contract. To have an 8M qualifying offer the AAV of the contract would have to be 6.67M. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, aGENT said: They're recent, top D, bridge contracts. I'm not talking play style, we're talking contracts. Makar is due at the same time as Hughes, unless Makar signs ahead of Hughes, there's nothing to compare as far as contracts go. Matthews signed pre-covid (also Toronto is/was ridiculous with their extensions). I'm sure his agent will mention Matthews but it won't remotely be the only factor or contact taken in to account. Those are some purdy rose coloured glasses. Right now I doubt anyone thinks Hughes or Makar wont be at a higher level than Provorov/McAvoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 minute ago, stawns said: Those are some purdy rose coloured glasses. Right now I doubt anyone thinks Hughes or Makar wont be at a higher level than Provorov/McAvoy Either you're overestimating Hughes/Makar, or underestimating Provorov/McAvoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, mll said: That's no longer an option in the new CBA. Under the new rules the qualifying offer is the lesser between the last salary and 120% of the AAV of the contract. To have an 8M qualifying offer the AAV of the contract would have to be 6.67M. Still around my sort of ballpark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Either you're overestimating Hughes/Makar, or underestimating Provorov/McAvoy Would you trade Hughes or Makar straight up for McAvoy or Provorov right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, stawns said: Would you trade Hughes or Makar straight up for McAvoy or Provorov right now? Hughes and Makar both significantly out produced the career years of Provorov and McAvoy. They also did it in a shortened season. I'm interested to see your debate play out lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Baratheon said: Hughes and Makar both significantly out produced the career years of Provorov and McAvoy. They also did it in a shortened season. I'm interested to see your debate play out lol. I'm not advocating a Boeser trade for a cap dump, but to use a position of strength (wingers) to reinforce an area of weakness (defense). That said I don't think they'll be able to keep BB, QH and EP and still maintain balance in the lineup, so might as well move him while he's got good value 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Just now, stawns said: I'm not advocating a Boeser trade for a cap dump, but to use a position of strength (wingers) to reinforce an area of weakness (defense). That said I don't think they'll be able to keep BB, QH and EP and still maintain balance in the lineup, so might as well move him while he's got good value so how does bringing a young high calibre d man here (hopefully what they would get for BB) resolve future cap issues? Top tier d men are just as expensive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 17 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm not advocating a Boeser trade for a cap dump, but to use a position of strength (wingers) to reinforce an area of weakness (defense). That said I don't think they'll be able to keep BB, QH and EP and still maintain balance in the lineup, so might as well move him while he's got good value I think I am somewhere in the middle. I really don't want them to trade Brock but I DO think they should explore the option. If some team is willing to seriously overpay then awesome. Personally I think the off-season is gonna get wild. Quite a few teams in cap trouble aside from Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, stawns said: Would you trade Hughes or Makar straight up for McAvoy or Provorov right now? The former put up more offense but the latter are bigger/more physical and have better two way/complete games. Would I trade them? Probably not... and they likely wouldn't either. But not because one's worth more than the other, but because if you trade a 'Hughes' for 'Provorov', you're just stuck looking for another 'Hughes' to play with the 'Provorov' you traded for (and vice versa). If I had the luxury of two 'Hughes', I'd trade one for a Provorov in a heartbeat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Baratheon said: I think I am somewhere in the middle. I really don't want them to trade Brock but I DO think they should explore the option. If some team is willing to seriously overpay then awesome. Personally I think the off-season is gonna get wild. Quite a few teams in cap trouble aside from Vancouver. I agree, in no way do I want them to dump Boes. He is the one chip that can change the entire dcorp in one move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, aGENT said: The former put up more offense but the latter are bigger/more physical and have better two way/complete games. Would I trade them? Probably not... and they likely wouldn't either. But not because one's worth more than the other, but because if you trade a 'Hughes' for 'Provorov', you're just stuck looking for another 'Hughes' to play with the 'Provorov' you traded for (and vice versa). If I had the luxury of two 'Hughes', I'd trade one for a Provorov in a heartbeat. Speaking of two Hughes.........would anyone do a Boeser for JH deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, stawns said: Speaking of two Hughes.........would anyone do a Boeser for JH deal? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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