Junkyard Dog Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Certainly a possibility as well...I think he's played there with Edler internationally. I just think given the style Hughes plays, he'd easily be able to adapt to his 'off' side (and was quoted as producing more offense there). 'Rover' by definition isn't really side dependant Besides, if OEL is more the defensive 'safety'/ 2 way guy on that pair, it probably matters more to have him on the better defensively side of the ice. Either way, it would be a nice 'problem' for the coaches to sort out. Reason why'd I like to have Tanev and OEL is because both Hughes/OEL could play with a steady defensive partner in Edler/Tanev. Pairings that can play 20+ each. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Certainly a possibility as well...I think he's played there with Edler internationally. I just think given the style Hughes plays, he'd easily be able to adapt to his 'off' side (and was quoted as producing more offense there). offense is not the concern - it's him on his offside, down low, in his 'off side' corner - that I do not like about the option - at all - where he's both back to the play and reversed to the transition... not something I would 'plan' to do when I think there 'should' be a priority made to avoid that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Barry_Wilkins said: Bill Armstrong is like that faithful employee who everyone notices, but his career path up that particular company's ladder is blocked by all the established personnel in place. So he gets a higher position with a, er .... "challenging" upstart company, and as soon as he enters his spacious new office with all his assistants hovering nearby, various multi-layer poo-storms explode all around him. He's probably overwhelmed with how to work this all out. It's his first gig as head honcho. Imagine the knock to his pride to have to start out with a stinker of a trade. My guess? He'll wait to the last minute, hold his nose, and take the best offer from whatever's been on the table for a while. Oh, and don't fall for any marketing -type lies, JB. Here's Armstrong's high-powered BS from his job acceptance release: "We have great ownership that is committed to winning, a very good core group of young, talented players, and a passionate fan base. I'm excited about our future and the opportunity to build this team into a perennial playoff contender." they may have opted for a Dale Tallon instead - as interim - whatever people might think of him (I don't know the truth about the rumours about him) but strictly as a GM - he does not hesitate to do what has to be done - he does not have an aversion to taking a necessary loss. Perhaps it would have made sense to let an interim guy come in, rip it up and take the shizzstorm - and then let an Armstrong ride in on his white horse afterwards. Otherwise - could not agree with you more - what an ugly set of circumstances to step into....at least no one is paying attention in Arizona....The Cardinals are 2-2 - I'd recomend cutting this deal right after their next victory lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If we did manage to keep Tanev we'd have a killer top 4. Edler-Hughes OEL-Tanev OJ-Myers Would require a ship out of Eriksson, Sutter, Virtanen, Stecher and one of Benn/Baertschi. Could be done if that happens and if Tanev takes a discount. Otherwise sign Stecher or try to find a top 6 upgrade. That is as solid a D corps as we've ever had. Not sure who would have better in the NHL currently, but we'd be top 5 I'd have to think. Elite goaltending and one f the best top 6 in the league to go along with it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, oldnews said: offense is not the concern - it's him on his offside, down low, in his 'off side' corner - that I do not like about the option - at all - where he's both back to the play and reversed to the transition... not something I would 'plan' to do when I think there 'should' be a priority made to avoid that. To be honest I think you distribute them and play both top pairings more, leaving the third pairing down a few mins other than the special teams needs. Most of the game, you are either facing OEL or Hughes. Ekman-Larsson Myers Hughes Tanev Edler Stecher/Fantenburg etc Next year Edler signs for a discount or leaves (Likely discount) and Tryamkin comes over to pair with him and jump up the lineup as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: If we did manage to keep Tanev we'd have a killer top 4. Edler-Hughes OEL-Tanev OJ-Myers Would require a ship out of Eriksson, Sutter, Virtanen, Stecher and one of Benn/Baertschi. Could be done if that happens and if Tanev takes a discount. Otherwise sign Stecher or try to find a top 6 upgrade. I don't understand why you'd re-sign Tanev - and then not pair him with Hughes, in favour of Edler, with Hughes on his off side. Doesn't matter - perhaps you point is just to illustrate the quality of that group and not necessarily a formation, but I'd think the point of retaining Tanev would be in large part to keep him with Hughes. I personally would do what is necessary to make that happen, regardless of the OEL deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, BCNate said: That is as solid a D corps as we've ever had. Not sure who would have better in the NHL currently, but we'd be top 5 I'd have to think. Elite goaltending and one f the best top 6 in the league to go along with it. Eh maybe top 10. Top 5 would be dependent of how well OJ and the 3rd pairing does. If he can prove to play over 16 minutes, more than what Benn/Stecher/Fanta play, reliably and well than we have a good 3rd pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Kobayashi Maru said: To be honest I think you distribute them and play both top pairings more, leaving the third pairing down a few mins other than the special teams needs. Most of the game, you are either facing OEL or Hughes. Ekman-Larsson Myers Hughes Tanev Edler Stecher/Fantenburg etc Next year Edler signs for a discount or leaves (Likely discount) and Tryamkin comes over to pair with him and jump up the lineup as needed. I like the idea of Edler and OEL pairing separate of Hughes... Those two pairings could handle any type of minutes - probably win the possession battle regardless and produce excellent conditions for Hughes to produce and do his thing.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, oldnews said: I don't understand why you'd re-sign Tanev - and then not pair him with Hughes, in favour of Edler, with Hughes on his off side. Doesn't matter - perhaps you point is just to illustrate the quality of that group and not necessarily a formation, but I'd think the point of retaining Tanev would be in large part to keep him with Hughes. I personally would do what is necessary to make that happen, regardless of the OEL deal. TBH I feel Hughes is gonna do a lot better on his off-side than OEL. Both Edler and Tanev have that smoothness and poise to their game hence why I feel Hughes would do just as well with Edler as he was with Tanev. Hell, he might be able to get more offense out of Edler than he did with Tanev. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 1 minute ago, oldnews said: I like the idea of Edler and OEL pairing separate of Hughes... Those two pairings could handle any type of minutes - probably win the possession battle regardless and produce excellent conditions for Hughes to produce and do his thing.... Definitely true. I was just hoping to keep our stars on their correct sides. Edler OEL in concept would be good as Edler can play a bit more straightforward game and not try and do too much. That's when he's at his best. Either way lots of options, so we just need some news soon! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, Kobayashi Maru said: Definitely true. I was just hoping to keep our stars on their correct sides. Edler OEL in concept would be good as Edler can play a bit more straightforward game and not try and do too much. That's when he's at his best. Either way lots of options, so we just need some news soon! Yep - we've worked it all out here GMJB - you can go ahead and complete the lowball now..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Eh maybe top 10. Top 5 would be dependent of how well OJ and the 3rd pairing does. If he can prove to play over 16 minutes, more than what Benn/Stecher/Fanta play, reliably and well than we have a good 3rd pairing. Myers in a sheltered role for 15 mins per night would be outstanding. Pair him with Tryamkin for the playoffs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Ekman-Larsson - Hughes Edler - Myers Juolevi - ?? That's a pretty great Top 4, and D wins championships. Sounds like ARI really wants Demko, but apparently it's a non-starter with Benning. Should Benning trade Demko and sign Lundqvist (cheap) to back up Markstrom for a year? King Henrik just wants to win, he doesn't need anymore money. They could always sign another reasonable UFA goalie in 2021/22, until DiPietro arrives. to ARI - Demko, Eriksson, Sutter and Virtanen to VAN - Ekman-Larsson and 2nd Not sure I would actually really want this, just another option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BCNate said: Myers in a sheltered role for 15 mins per night would be outstanding. Pair him with Tryamkin for the playoffs! Myers will probably never play that many minutes, maybe 15-16 even-strength minutes. He'd still be a pretty significant PKer even with OEL, being a mountain definitely helps him in that regard. He probably wouldn't be playing 21:30 he played this year though. I imagine OEL or OJ takes him off the #2 PP and he averages around 18-20 minutes depending how much we're on the PK. Edited October 5, 2020 by Junkyard Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BCNate said: Myers in a sheltered role for 15 mins per night would be outstanding. Pair him with Tryamkin for the playoffs! Myers does not need to be 'sheltered' - ie he's a second unit penalty killer for example - he doesn't need inflated ozone starts or a partner to protect him. The only players on the roster that do - are Gaudette - and to a lesser extent, Hughes. Edited October 5, 2020 by oldnews 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, oldnews said: Myers does not need to be 'sheltered' - ie he's a second unit penalty killer for example - he doesn't need inflated ozone starts or a partner to protect him. The only players on the roster that do - are Gaudette - and to a lesser extent, Hughes. Never said he had to be sheltered. His match ups would naturally be sheltered if he was on the third pair behind that top 4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Attila Umbrus Posted October 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2020 (edited) Man, read thru this whole thread. Lots of very good discussion here...but wow...so much rosterbation on here. I think i'm gonna be sick. I get it I used to be young too. Now I just sit and wait patiently to see what happens...I still rosterbate, but I do it offline now...on sheets of paper...alone with no witnesses. Edited October 5, 2020 by Attila Umbrus 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Myers will probably never play that many minutes, maybe 15-16 even-strength minutes. He'd still be a pretty significant PKer even with OEL, being a mountain definitely helps him in that regard. He probably wouldn't be playing 21:30 he played this year though. I imagine OEL or OJ takes him off the #2 PP and he averages around 18-20 minutes depending how much we're on the PK. Point being is that Myers plays a smaller role that maximizes his strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Laoag Posted October 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, oldnews said: Myers does not need to be 'sheltered' - ie he's a second unit penalty killer for example - he doesn't need inflated ozone starts or a partner to protect him. The only players on the roster that do - are Gaudette - and to a lesser extent, Hughes. sure there were a few gaffs in his game during the playoffs. lots of people will remember the penalty parade... but I think Myers was stellar on our blue line in the playoffs. the Reach and big body really showed... I view Myers similar to Edler, in the sense that everyone hated edler and wanted him gone... and now that people realize what he brings, they adore him. Myers is a big piece for us, glad we have him. If we can some how pull off the OEL trade that top4 would be awesome. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Just now, BCNate said: Point being is that Myers plays a smaller role that maximizes his strengths. Overall I feel like we wouldn't have to overplay anyone which would benefit the whole D-core. Decreases the risk of injury and fatigue over time. And when push comes to shove, come the playoffs, the top 4 will be better prepared. It is similar to keeping your goalies fresh over time so that you can rely on them when it matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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