Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 8 hours ago, drummerboy said: As someone who grew up near Edmonton, and has family in the Milwaukee area, I can say with all honesty...... You just compared two of the lamest possible places to live. Hahahaha I wouldn’t go near either. Not a chance. Also, only terrible tradespeople make 60k a year. At the family shop, we pay our guys 38$ an hour which is around 80k before ot. That’s in the lower mainland. Trades in northern Alberta you need to be making more than that, or you are doing something VERY wrong and it’s not worth being up there. More money is why you go up there. Not less money with lesser living conditions. i honestly dont care what you think about my comparison, i didnt do it for you i have friends in milwuakee, and i live in edmonton. as for your second point, what is your point? the average carpenter in edmonton makes 60k a year this factors in new hires and experienced alike. im not even comparing the difference between edmonton and vancouver,but if i did cost of living would be a big factor. its cheaper up here next time maybe i will consult drummerboy before i make a comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 44 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said: i honestly dont care what you think about my comparison, i didnt do it for you i have friends in milwuakee, and i live in edmonton. as for your second point, what is your point? the average carpenter in edmonton makes 60k a year this factors in new hires and experienced alike. im not even comparing the difference between edmonton and vancouver,but if i did cost of living would be a big factor. its cheaper up here next time maybe i will consult drummerboy before i make a comparison If you did it at a more realistic number that doesn’t include apprentices, the numbers work out a lot better for Edmonton. That’s the point. You are taking like 20-30k a year off one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, drummerboy said: If you did it at a more realistic number that doesn’t include apprentices, the numbers work out a lot better for Edmonton. That’s the point. You are taking like 20-30k a year off one. the wages are less in edmonton than in vancouver. its the cost of living and taxes thats the big factor, you will save about 550 dollars a month if you lived in edmonton compared to vancouver. you would save about 300$ a month if you lived in edmonton over surrey. you would save about a 100 dollars month to live in edmonton over langley Edited November 12, 2020 by Petey_BOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 the real difference: you live Milwaukie you wake up to brewers, cheese, lake Michigan and Chicago next door. When you wake up in Edmonton you see Alberta … EVERY FREAKIN DAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 (edited) Edited November 12, 2020 by kingofsurrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 17 hours ago, drummerboy said: As someone who grew up near Edmonton, and has family in the Milwaukee area, I can say with all honesty...... You just compared two of the lamest possible places to live. Hahahaha I wouldn’t go near either. Not a chance. Also, only terrible tradespeople make 60k a year. At the family shop, we pay our guys 38$ an hour which is around 80k before ot. That’s in the lower mainland. Trades in northern Alberta you need to be making more than that, or you are doing something VERY wrong and it’s not worth being up there. More money is why you go up there. Not less money with lesser living conditions. What kind of shop? Hd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Violator said: What kind of shop? Hd? Custom metal fabrication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Petey_BOI said: Dallas vs vancouver in a cost analysis standpoint,seems like dallas wins handsdown. everything is cheaper and you will make more money. i imagine at some point having a family of 4 in vancouver makes more sense if our family makes between 120,000 in CAD 160,000. if your single though it will be assuredly be better to live in dallas https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Canada&city1=Dallas%2C+TX&city2=Vancouver Consumer Prices in Vancouver are 12.79% higher than in Dallas, TX (without rent) Rent Prices in Vancouver are 5.32% higher than in Dallas, TX Restaurant Prices in Vancouver are 2.45% lower than in Dallas, TX Groceries Prices in Vancouver are 32.09% higher than in Dallas, TX Local Purchasing Power in Vancouver is 40.24% lower than in Dallas, TX San Francisco vs vancouver in a cost analysis standpoint,seems like its more complicated. everything is cheaper in vancouver but you will make less money on average 60% less (including exchange rate). But wage disparity is real, and im betting that a giant chunk of the differences in pay is made up from the top 1% of jobs,lets take a look all units are in CAD, salaries are based off of data from the economic research institute https://www.erieri.com/ cost of living is based off of numbeo.com health care costs are added to the costs and are $2800 for vancouver and $7000 for san francisco per resident. from https://www.shrm.org/.../employers-project-health-plan... and https://www.statista.com/.../average-annual-household.../1 the average annual costs of a single vancouver resident renting outside of the city centre is $33,480 the average annual costs of a family of 4 in vancouver renting outside of the city centre is $89,200 the average costs of a single San Fran resident renting outside of the city centre is $57,100 the average costs of a San Fran family of 4 renting outside of the city centre is $144,500 the afford to live stat for family is based off salary *2 for San Fran and salary * 2 + 3500 (child benefits) for van The average salary for a Cashier is $43,550 in San Francisco, CA take home= $36,600 afford to live=no The average salary for a Cashier is $34,000 in Vancouver, BC take home= $27,600 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter Apprentice is $49,000 in San Francisco, CA take home= $40,000 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter Apprentice is $37,500 in Vancouver, BCtake home= $30,100 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter is $77,500 in San Francisco, CAtake home= $59,900 afford to live single =barely afford to live family =NO The average salary for a Carpenter is $59,200 in Vancouver, BCtake home= $45,100 afford to live single =yes afford to live Family =barely The average salary+bonus for a interior designer is $103,600 in San Francisco, CA take home= $75,800 afford to live single =yes afford to live family =yes The average salary+bonus for a Interior designer is $77,700 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $58,300 afford to live single =yes afford to live family =yes The average salary+bonus for a paralegal is $108,600 in San Francisco, CA take home= $78,900 The average salary+bonus for a paralegal is $81,700 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $61,200 The average salary+bonus for a accountant is $131,800 in San Francisco, CA take home= $91,200 The average salary+bonus for a accountant is $97,400 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $72,100 The average salary+bonus for a Civil Engineer is $151,200 in San Francisco, CA take home= $99,000 The average salary+bonus for a Civil Engineer is $108,100 per year in Vancouver, BC take home= $78,700 You need to make roughly 165,000 CAD in san fran before it makes sense to live there finacially if your single (entry level management, experienced civil engineer) you need to make roughly 204,000 CAD *2 in san fran before it makes sense to live there finacially if your single (upper middle management) The average salary+bonus for a Human Resource Manager is $208,400 in San Francisco, CA take home= $130,300 The average salary+bonus for a Human Resource Manager is is $143,500 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $100,400 The average salary+bonus for a CFO (Chief Financial Officer) in San Francisco is $509,500 take home= $301,400 The average salary+bonus for a CFO (Chief Financial Officer) in Vancouver is $307,200 take home= $191300 The average total compensation for a CEO in San Francisco is $2,080,000 take home= $1,070,000 The average total compensation for a CEO in Vancouver is $650,700 take home= $363,700 yup, wage disparity is a joke in the states. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Canada&country2=United+States&city1=Vancouver&city2=San+Francisco%2C+CA Consumer Prices in San Francisco, CA are 25.24% higher than in Vancouver (without rent) Rent Prices in San Francisco, CA are 120.00% higher than in Vancouver Restaurant Prices in San Francisco, CA are 35.93% higher than in Vancouver Groceries Prices in San Francisco, CA are 19.95% higher than in Vancouver Local Purchasing Power in San Francisco, CA is 50.83% higher than in Vancouver https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Canada&city1=New+York%2C+NY&city2=Vancouver Consumer Prices in Vancouver are 25.91% lower than in New York, NY (without rent) Rent Prices in Vancouver are 50.28% lower than in New York, NY Restaurant Prices in Vancouver are 35.31% lower than in New York, NY Groceries Prices in Vancouver are 22.11% lower than in New York, NY Local Purchasing Power in Vancouver is 2.82% lower than in New York, NY i wont do a comparison because you can easily see you will be better off in vancouver over new york financially, without even considering health care expenditures. Carpenters are only making $30/hour out in Vancouver? Geeze 14 years ago when I started I was making $15 and the guys above me with 5+ years were well over $30/h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, drummerboy said: Custom metal fabrication. Makes sense.havent been able to find alot of places like that around that pay good in Vancouver area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Russ said: Carpenters are only making $30/hour out in Vancouver? Geeze 14 years ago when I started I was making $15 and the guys above me with 5+ years were well over $30/h Lol. No. Red seal trades in general would be 33-35 average. 40$ isn’t unheard of at all for the higher end guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) double post Edited November 13, 2020 by Petey_BOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 12 hours ago, Russ said: Carpenters are only making $30/hour out in Vancouver? Geeze 14 years ago when I started I was making $15 and the guys above me with 5+ years were well over $30/h experienced carpenters are making upwards to 40$ hour, the reason to show the average salary is that thier is more data points,and therefore a more accurate comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 here is another comparison. it will show the potential savings for a carpenter living a modest life with a bus pass, outside city centre in a one bedroom apartment. other data points used. average salary of a carpenter in each city. reasoning behind not using the average salary for each city. there isnt data for all of the cities reasoning behind not including car/insurance/gas costs. way too many variables, like age gender gatineau 18500 laval 18200 calgary 17600 edmonton 17500 quebec city 17300 kitchener 16200 red deer 16400 hamilton 16200 montreal 15900 moncton 15800 kelowna 15700 coquitlam 15300 surrey 15000 regina 15000 winnipeg 14700 saskatoon 14300 brampton 14000 victoria 13500 vancouver 11900 ottawa 11200 halifax 10100 mississauga 8700 st.johns 7200 toronto -400 take aways: quebec has the cheapest living costs/car insurance by a big margin costs bc has the highest car/insurance/gas prices toronto has the highest living costs of all the cities st johns has the lowest wages of all the cities i have included a pdf of the average yearly gas/insurance for each city/province Untitled spreadsheet - Sheet1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) On 11/10/2020 at 11:54 AM, Petey_BOI said: Spoiler some things like milk. and the important things like beer wine and tobacco. have some more stats Milk (regular), (1 liter) 2.61 C$(2.00 $) 0.91 C$(0.70 $) -65.18 % Loaf of Fresh White Bread (500g) 2.74 C$(2.10 $) 3.09 C$(2.37 $) +12.83 % Rice (white), (1kg) 3.81 C$(2.93 $) 5.23 C$(4.02 $) +37.42 % Eggs (regular) (12) 3.70 C$(2.84 $) 3.92 C$(3.01 $) +5.96 % Local Cheese (1kg) 10.95 C$(8.41 $) 14.52 C$(11.15 $) +32.62 % Chicken Fillets (1kg) 13.05 C$(10.02 $) 16.42 C$(12.61 $) +25.85 % Beef Round (1kg) (or Equivalent Back Leg Red Meat) 15.92 C$(12.23 $) 16.50 C$(12.68 $) +3.65 % Apples (1kg) 4.04 C$(3.10 $) 10.40 C$(7.99 $) +157.34 % Banana (1kg) 1.76 C$(1.35 $) 3.08 C$(2.37 $) +74.86 % Oranges (1kg) 4.20 C$(3.23 $) 6.16 C$(4.73 $) +46.59 % Tomato (1kg) 4.13 C$(3.17 $) 6.91 C$(5.31 $) +67.31 % Potato (1kg) 3.91 C$(3.00 $) 5.33 C$(4.09 $) +36.34 % Onion (1kg) 2.74 C$(2.11 $) 5.73 C$(4.40 $) +109.07 % Lettuce (1 head) 2.54 C$(1.95 $) 2.90 C$(2.23 $) +14.34 % Water (1.5 liter bottle) 2.36 C$(1.81 $) 3.91 C$(3.00 $) +65.69 % Bottle of Wine (Mid-Range) 15.50 C$(11.91 $) 15.62 C$(12.00 $) +0.77 % Domestic Beer (0.5 liter bottle) 3.34 C$(2.57 $) 2.42 C$(1.86 $) -27.44 % Imported Beer (0.33 liter bottle) 4.85 C$(3.73 $) 2.85 C$(2.19 $) -41.34 % Chicken is more expensive in the states? What?? I thought we had high chicken prices in Canada because we subsidized our poultry farmers. Edited November 13, 2020 by Bob.Loblaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob.Loblaw said: Chicken is more expensive in the states? What?? I thought we had high chicken prices in Canada because we subsidized our poultry farmers. take in mind this is san francisco, it has one of the highest cost of living in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 11/11/2020 at 5:36 PM, Petey_BOI said: Dallas vs vancouver in a cost analysis standpoint,seems like dallas wins handsdown. everything is cheaper and you will make more money. i imagine at some point having a family of 4 in vancouver makes more sense if our family makes between 120,000 in CAD 160,000. if your single though it will be assuredly be better to live in dallas https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Canada&city1=Dallas%2C+TX&city2=Vancouver Consumer Prices in Vancouver are 12.79% higher than in Dallas, TX (without rent) Rent Prices in Vancouver are 5.32% higher than in Dallas, TX Restaurant Prices in Vancouver are 2.45% lower than in Dallas, TX Groceries Prices in Vancouver are 32.09% higher than in Dallas, TX Local Purchasing Power in Vancouver is 40.24% lower than in Dallas, TX San Francisco vs vancouver in a cost analysis standpoint,seems like its more complicated. everything is cheaper in vancouver but you will make less money on average 60% less (including exchange rate). But wage disparity is real, and im betting that a giant chunk of the differences in pay is made up from the top 1% of jobs,lets take a look all units are in CAD, salaries are based off of data from the economic research institute https://www.erieri.com/ cost of living is based off of numbeo.com health care costs are added to the costs and are $2800 for vancouver and $7000 for san francisco per resident. from https://www.shrm.org/.../employers-project-health-plan... and https://www.statista.com/.../average-annual-household.../1 the average annual costs of a single vancouver resident renting outside of the city centre is $33,480 the average annual costs of a family of 4 in vancouver renting outside of the city centre is $89,200 the average costs of a single San Fran resident renting outside of the city centre is $57,100 the average costs of a San Fran family of 4 renting outside of the city centre is $144,500 the afford to live stat for family is based off salary *2 for San Fran and salary * 2 + 3500 (child benefits) for van The average salary for a Cashier is $43,550 in San Francisco, CA take home= $36,600 afford to live=no The average salary for a Cashier is $34,000 in Vancouver, BC take home= $27,600 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter Apprentice is $49,000 in San Francisco, CA take home= $40,000 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter Apprentice is $37,500 in Vancouver, BCtake home= $30,100 afford to live=no The average salary for a Carpenter is $77,500 in San Francisco, CAtake home= $59,900 afford to live single =barely afford to live family =NO The average salary for a Carpenter is $59,200 in Vancouver, BCtake home= $45,100 afford to live single =yes afford to live Family =barely The average salary+bonus for a interior designer is $103,600 in San Francisco, CA take home= $75,800 afford to live single =yes afford to live family =yes The average salary+bonus for a Interior designer is $77,700 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $58,300 afford to live single =yes afford to live family =yes The average salary+bonus for a paralegal is $108,600 in San Francisco, CA take home= $78,900 The average salary+bonus for a paralegal is $81,700 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $61,200 The average salary+bonus for a accountant is $131,800 in San Francisco, CA take home= $91,200 The average salary+bonus for a accountant is $97,400 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $72,100 The average salary+bonus for a Civil Engineer is $151,200 in San Francisco, CA take home= $99,000 The average salary+bonus for a Civil Engineer is $108,100 per year in Vancouver, BC take home= $78,700 You need to make roughly 165,000 CAD in san fran before it makes sense to live there finacially if your single (entry level management, experienced civil engineer) you need to make roughly 204,000 CAD *2 in san fran before it makes sense to live there finacially if your single (upper middle management) The average salary+bonus for a Human Resource Manager is $208,400 in San Francisco, CA take home= $130,300 The average salary+bonus for a Human Resource Manager is is $143,500 in Vancouver, BC. take home= $100,400 The average salary+bonus for a CFO (Chief Financial Officer) in San Francisco is $509,500 take home= $301,400 The average salary+bonus for a CFO (Chief Financial Officer) in Vancouver is $307,200 take home= $191300 The average total compensation for a CEO in San Francisco is $2,080,000 take home= $1,070,000 The average total compensation for a CEO in Vancouver is $650,700 take home= $363,700 yup, wage disparity is a joke in the states. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Canada&country2=United+States&city1=Vancouver&city2=San+Francisco%2C+CA Consumer Prices in San Francisco, CA are 25.24% higher than in Vancouver (without rent) Rent Prices in San Francisco, CA are 120.00% higher than in Vancouver Restaurant Prices in San Francisco, CA are 35.93% higher than in Vancouver Groceries Prices in San Francisco, CA are 19.95% higher than in Vancouver Local Purchasing Power in San Francisco, CA is 50.83% higher than in Vancouver https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Canada&city1=New+York%2C+NY&city2=Vancouver Consumer Prices in Vancouver are 25.91% lower than in New York, NY (without rent) Rent Prices in Vancouver are 50.28% lower than in New York, NY Restaurant Prices in Vancouver are 35.31% lower than in New York, NY Groceries Prices in Vancouver are 22.11% lower than in New York, NY Local Purchasing Power in Vancouver is 2.82% lower than in New York, NY i wont do a comparison because you can easily see you will be better off in vancouver over new york financially, without even considering health care expenditures. Two big factors missing in my case - buying a house and tech wages. Under one hour from my office in midtown Manhattan by train (door to door) I could find a detached home easily for under $300k usd. I took the train from grand central to Connecticut and was going through a suburb about 30 minutes in. Out of curiosity I checked the prices thinking the houses would cost all over 1 million and was shocked to see how cheap they were (many in the 300s). Manhattan is crazy expensive but my friend who is a developer got paid 3x higher than he did in Vancouver. He was never really getting ahead in Vancouver (his girlfriend wasn’t able to find employment easily - they immigrated from Europe). He won the green card lottery and said his standard of living rose drastically. He rented in Jersey City which was a 12 minute commute to his office near the WTC and his rent wasn’t crazy (1800 for a pretty nice place). How he owns a home and comfortably supports his wife and kid. I guess it all depends on circumstances. I think in trades you would be better off staying in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 57 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: Two big factors missing in my case - buying a house and tech wages. Under one hour from my office in midtown Manhattan by train (door to door) I could find a detached home easily for under $300k usd. I took the train from grand central to Connecticut and was going through a suburb about 30 minutes in. Out of curiosity I checked the prices thinking the houses would cost all over 1 million and was shocked to see how cheap they were (many in the 300s). Manhattan is crazy expensive but my friend who is a developer got paid 3x higher than he did in Vancouver. He was never really getting ahead in Vancouver (his girlfriend wasn’t able to find employment easily - they immigrated from Europe). He won the green card lottery and said his standard of living rose drastically. He rented in Jersey City which was a 12 minute commute to his office near the WTC and his rent wasn’t crazy (1800 for a pretty nice place). How he owns a home and comfortably supports his wife and kid. I guess it all depends on circumstances. I think in trades you would be better off staying in Canada. honestly im not going to take your word for it, since first ou said 600000 and now your saing 300000. the cost of commuting 2 hours is also a real cost to consider. but i will search a couple tech jobs for you. new york 95,933 before taxes san francisco 103,390 vancouver 80,300 also you could buy a 3 bedroom house in abbotsford for 500,000 with only a 50 minute commute. still the advantage goes to vancouver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Petey_BOI said: honestly im not going to take your word for it, since first ou said 600000 and now your saing 300000. the cost of commuting 2 hours is also a real cost to consider. but i will search a couple tech jobs for you. new york 95,933 before taxes san francisco 103,390 vancouver 80,300 also you could buy a 3 bedroom house in abbotsford for 500,000 with only a 50 minute commute. still the advantage goes to vancouver 1. A nice house for $600k - the one I attached is under 1 hour via transit from midtown manhattan. $300k is going to get you a detached house but likely one that needs work. 2. You can’t commute via transit to Abbotsford in an hour. It is about 2 and a half hours with half a dozen transfers unless you are walking distance to the west coast express (which has very limited service). 3. Also need to consider total compensation. My ex was making $120k CAD in Toronto and went to San Fran for $170k USD salary but she also got $100k USD per year in stock. At the lower tax rate she takes home equivalent of close to $400k CAD vs $120k. Stock is much more common in the US vs CAD. 4. Rent in the city centre is relatively very cheap in Vancouver and Toronto compared to owning anything. People often move to NYC short term and want to live in Manhattan so there is an enormous premium. In The GTA prices don’t differ that much and in a lot of cases most of that difference is canceled out in the cost of commuting. When I visited Vancouver in 2019 rent prices were surprisingly quite a bit lower. 5. When going to San Fran and New York earning a high salary you can easily spend it all and have fun or live frugal and save a tonne. There are a lot of options as well to relocate to cheaper cities that still have a lot of jobs. This isn’t an option in Canada - each area has its high paying sector and you are sort of tied to that city/province. 6. article comparing wages to talent level in hubs across North America https://www.google.com/amp/s/betterdwelling.com/lowest-american-employees-are-57-percent-more-expensive-than-canadians/amp/ Across all jobs compared to housing Vancouver is the most expensive. In Toronto the issue is more the difficulty of escaping high costs as the entire GTA is so inflated compared to other expensive cities where affordable homes are within a more commutable distance https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/the-most-unaffordable-housing-markets-in-north-america-2017-10%3Famp Edited November 15, 2020 by canucklehead44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 11/11/2020 at 7:28 AM, canucklehead44 said: The insane thing is my quality of living took a fairly sizeable step up from Vancouver to Toronto already. Cities like New York and San Francisco are expensive compared to Vancouver but the salaries are way higher. Also you can buy a nice house within an hour of Manhattan for under $600K - something you can't do in Vancouver or Toronto. My quality of living went way up going from Vancouver to Calgary. And my wife and I made the same money - but a lot of jobs pay even more here than in BC. Same with my parents. They ended up moving here a few years ago too (to be near the grandkids) and got a significantly better house for less money that what they sold their old place in the Fraser Valley for. My mom had been working full time before the move, and planned to continue, but she found she was able to retire early with the money they save. They have also noticed that the level of health care they have received in Alberta is far superior to what they were getting in BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad_BOI_pete Posted November 15, 2020 Author Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, canucklehead44 said: 1. A nice house for $600k - the one I attached is under 1 hour via transit from midtown manhattan. $300k is going to get you a detached house but likely one that needs work. 2. You can’t commute via transit to Abbotsford in an hour. It is about 2 and a half hours with half a dozen transfers unless you are walking distance to the west coast express (which has very limited service). 3. Also need to consider total compensation. My ex was making $120k CAD in Toronto and went to San Fran for $170k USD salary but she also got $100k USD per year in stock. At the lower tax rate she takes home equivalent of close to $400k CAD vs $120k. Stock is much more common in the US vs CAD. 4. Rent in the city centre is relatively very cheap in Vancouver and Toronto compared to owning anything. People often move to NYC short term and want to live in Manhattan so there is an enormous premium. In The GTA prices don’t differ that much and in a lot of cases most of that difference is canceled out in the cost of commuting. When I visited Vancouver in 2019 rent prices were surprisingly quite a bit lower. 5. When going to San Fran and New York earning a high salary you can easily spend it all and have fun or live frugal and save a tonne. There are a lot of options as well to relocate to cheaper cities that still have a lot of jobs. This isn’t an option in Canada - each area has its high paying sector and you are sort of tied to that city/province. 6. article comparing wages to talent level in hubs across North America https://www.google.com/amp/s/betterdwelling.com/lowest-american-employees-are-57-percent-more-expensive-than-canadians/amp/ Across all jobs compared to housing Vancouver is the most expensive. In Toronto the issue is more the difficulty of escaping high costs as the entire GTA is so inflated compared to other expensive cities where affordable homes are within a more commutable distance https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/the-most-unaffordable-housing-markets-in-north-america-2017-10%3Famp its funny because you keep using personal arguments, when there not valid. https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/software-engineer/CANADA/british-columbia/vancouver https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/software-engineer/CANADA/ontario/toronto https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/software-engineer/united-states/new-york/new-york https://www.erieri.com/salary/job/software-engineer/united-states/california/san-francisco want more proof here are the first 5 jobs available in vancouver on indeed. there is a reason houses cost more in vancouver i will concede owning a home in mt vernon, is cheaper. but there is more than one way to invest your money. investment properties, etc. Purchasing Power Index High 97.17 High 100.00 Safety Index High 63.49 Moderate 53.43 Health Care Index High 75.37 High 61.79 Climate Index Very High 91.15 High 79.66 Cost of Living Index Moderate 73.59 High 100.00 Property Price to Income Ratio Moderate 11.67 Moderate 10.49 Traffic Commute Time Index Moderate 37.55 Moderate 43.13 Pollution Index Low 24.26 Moderate 57.36 Quality of Life Index Very High 177.17 High 137.69 and my trump card https://www.mylifeelsewhere.com/compare/united-states/canada Company Average salary Amazon.com Software Engineer 18 salaries Software Engineer Job available $135,555 per year Animal Logic Software Engineer 9 salaries Software Engineer Job available $122,467 per year SAP Software Engineer 8 salaries Software Engineer Job available $101,375 per year Rocket Fuel Software Engineer 6 salaries $133,453 per year Electronic Arts Software Engineer 7 salaries $115,475 per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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