spook007 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, Timråfan said: Gillis is older and wiser now. Benning got a loong leech so why not let Gillis have a go. Nah... it's run its course... For starters, first debatable thing he would do would bring out the fan base with torches ready to burn the house down... Once ties have been cut, they should remain cut... too much baggage... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: He's got two Cup rings (GM for two different Cup winning teams) plugging up his ears, so he can't hear what you're saying. That said, he's WAY past his due date now. In a President/advisory role? Sure, but not a GM. He has rings which is why he is so dangerous and why you have to look at his actual trades Benning and Chiarelli have rings too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxVerstappen33 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Yannick Hansen on Real Kyper and Bourne talking house cleaning https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5zaW1wbGVjYXN0LmNvbS80alhCT1dnWQ/episode/YjhlNjBmNTAtOTQyNy00NjI0LWI0NjMtYWM4ZjU5OGE2MmMw?ep=14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Sounds easy if you say it fast. And how do we know that wasn't what Benning was trying to do behind the scenes? Because literally nothing Benning ever said or did lined up with him even having the possibility in his head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Rutherford has said he wants a President or hockey ops role not a GM role. And he would be fantastic in it because he knows how to build layers of competent people then trust them to do their jobs. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, BPA said: What we do know is that none of that happened. Except for Garrison, Kesler, Bieksa, Bonino, Kassian and Lack, who were all traded away within 14 months of Benning taking over as GM. Burrows and Hansen were gone at the deadline in Benning's third season. Now you can argue that the returns weren't very good, and I'd agree, but you can't see he wasn't trying to move veterans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: So if Bergy gets it (he probably wont) are people not even going to give him a chance ? Nope, throwing my jersey on the ice, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Curmudgeon said: Except for Garrison, Kesler, Bieksa, Bonino, Kassian and Lack, who were all traded away within 14 months of Benning taking over as GM. Burrows and Hansen were gone at the deadline in Benning's third season. Now you can argue that the returns weren't very good, and I'd agree, but you can't see he wasn't trying to move veterans out. Kesler publicly demanded a trade. Kassian was an off ice wreck that was a distraction. Garrison was a cap dump and Bieksa essentially was too. Lack who cares. Bonino didn’t fit the Boston model like (apparently) Sutter did, despite being the superior player and contract. Benning wasn’t given much choice in any of those and when he did his completely faulty pro scouting feels ruined it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erkayloomeh Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Now wouldn't that be something if smyl turned out to be really good, they ended up keeping him on. Imagine for steamer, winning a cup in Vancouver as the gm. About 39 years late but better late than never. Go Stanley steamer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: Kesler publicly demanded a trade. Kassian was an off ice wreck that was a distraction. Garrison was a cap dump and Bieksa essentially was too. Lack who cares. Bonino didn’t fit the Boston model like (apparently) Sutter did, despite being the superior player and contract. Benning wasn’t given much choice in any of those and when he did his completely faulty pro scouting feels ruined it. But you said none of that happened when it did. Your view of history is somewhat revisionist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, rekker said: Nope, throwing my jersey on the ice, lol. A Bergevin Jersey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said: The benning/green era will go down in canucks history as one of (but not)THE WORST ERA'S in team history with 8 YEARS OF continuous FAILURE and the team in much worse shape than when they took over. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE! Just look at that last game and see the status they left this franchise in and then try telling anyone with a straight face they are the best duo since Batman & Robin! As you've likely heard during the last few weeks during TV game broadcast, in the media, on news broadcast, sports shows and even on this forum, they have brought up numerous stats showing how bad we really were - some of them ALL TIME RECORD LOWS In NHL HISTORY and yet "Some People" still stood by those two. It mystifies me how tolerant and beligerant some people can get and still can't muster up the courage to call those two out for what they truly were - FAILURES! We'll see next season, if they left the team in a worse shape, than when they took over... If BB will be able to turn it around or a few trade/signings will sort this mess around? I'd argue, there is a lot more to build around or use as trade for rebuilding the team if needed, than there was after Gilles left. The fact the team should have been able to compete by now is undeniable, and thus the firing of all magament is understandable and warranted... But I don't think the team is worse than the team Benning inherited. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Just now, Curmudgeon said: But you said none of that happened when it did. Your view of history is somewhat revisionist. Like almost everything with Benning, the difference is it wasn’t an actual plan to do it, it was a reaction to do it. Benning in 8 years never made more than a couple of moves that would fall under rebuild moves. And he clearly had no long term plan in place. It was a serious bed$&!#ting of his annual standalone retools that allowed him to draft high. It wasn’t on purpose and he was the first one to admit it every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, King Heffy said: A Bergevin Jersey? Sure, the jersies of that era were my least favorite anyways, yuk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, Curmudgeon said: Except for Garrison, Kesler, Bieksa, Bonino, Kassian and Lack, who were all traded away within 14 months of Benning taking over as GM. Burrows and Hansen were gone at the deadline in Benning's third season. Now you can argue that the returns weren't very good, and I'd agree, but you can't see he wasn't trying to move veterans out. Only Kesler returned a 1st. And agree that the returns were sub-par. And then he also brought in overpaid vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 I was never Anti-Benning to start off with. Gave him the benefit of the doubt. Liked most of his trades and few of his FA signings. 50/50 on his draft selections. But this year was the straw the broke the camel's back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleboy Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Bergevin is a French speaking Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Sestito Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Yup. Jim Benning dealt more 1st round picks away than Nonis & Gillis *combined*. Actually, I think that was a problem with Gillis. He didn't go 'all in" when the window was still open. It absolutely was. The Sedins were pretty good first line players up until the 2016-2017. They looked overmatched after then, but they could have theoretically played a lower level secondary scoring role like Spezza after that. Such a shame. Not getting out of the first round after 2011 really sucks. They deserved better. 2012 is somewhat excusable because of the Keith hit but the rest of the team didn’t make enough substantial improvements regardless. Edited December 6, 2021 by Tom Sestito 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, BPA said: Only Kesler returned a 1st. And agree that the returns were sub-par. And then he also brought in overpaid vets. Sad, but true. Unfortunately, there are really only four ways to acquire players: the draft, waivers, free agency and trades. If you can't find a trade partner, the draft is over, and nobody worthwhile is on waivers, you are seduced into thinking that free agency is the way, the truth and the light. Yes, Benning made some colossal, head-scratching moves on or after July 1st each year and deserves fair criticism for that. But really, and I am NOT trying to defend him, what other options did he have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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