Chris12345 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Right, the all purchases are final, no refunds or exchanges clause.... One of the only things I remember!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 hours ago, DeNiro said: I could think of quite a few teams Myers would be an upgrade for. With two years left he’s not that much of a risk. If Guddy is worth 4 Myers is worth 6. I still can’t believe Columbus gave him that contract. That’s nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 10 hours ago, DeNiro said: I could think of quite a few teams Myers would be an upgrade for. With two years left he’s not that much of a risk. If Guddy is worth 4 Myers is worth 6. would gudranson have got 4 if myers wasn't already making 6? probably not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, tas said: would gudranson have got 4 if myers wasn't already making 6? probably not. Guddy has 94 career points is a -87 while averaging 18:11 in ice time Myers has 325 career points is a +9 while averaging 22:14 in ice time 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 39 minutes ago, coryberg said: Guddy has 94 career points is a -87 while averaging 18:11 in ice time Myers has 325 career points is a +9 while averaging 22:14 in ice time what's your point? my point is that using more recently signed contracts to retroactively justify the value of previously signed contracts is broken logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 hour ago, tas said: what's your point? my point is that using more recently signed contracts to retroactively justify the value of previously signed contracts is broken logic. You asked if guddy would have got 4 if myers hadn't been making 6. Myers is and was never a comparable to guddy, apples and Oranges bud. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 30 minutes ago, coryberg said: You asked if guddy would have got 4 if myers hadn't been making 6. Myers is and was never a comparable to guddy, apples and Oranges bud. I guarantee you gudbranson's agent didn't see it the same way while negotiating that deal. it doesn't even need to be a direct comparable anyway, though. I think it's pretty obvious that the myers contract drove up the price for ~30 year old, solid but unspectacular right shot d with size and intangibles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ilya Mikheyev Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 guys I don't think Guddy's contract is precedent setting, it's literally just terrible and a laughingstock across the league. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I don’t know how Gudbranson has managed to get so many 3 & 4 million dollar contracts as a bottom pairing dman with horrible metrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 54 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said: I don’t know how Gudbranson has managed to get so many 3 & 4 million dollar contracts as a bottom pairing dman with horrible metrics because teams are about a hellofa lot more than metrics and the highly paid professionals who are actually put in charge to run these organizations realize that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, tas said: because teams are about a hellofa lot more than metrics and the highly paid professionals who are actually put in charge to run these organizations realize that. lol. you think this is a good contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, tas said: because teams are about a hellofa lot more than metrics and the highly paid professionals who are actually put in charge to run these organizations realize that. The Blue Jackets' management might have gone by more than metrics, but you can't tell if that is what happened because Gudbranson's big pay increase this summer was in line with his vastly improved numbers. If his numbers last season reflected what one can expect from him in the future, he was due a big raise. The argument against Gudbranson's contract is actually that CBJ paid too much attention to the 2021-2022 metrics. Edited August 2, 2022 by tyhee typo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 7/28/2022 at 6:14 AM, tas said: would gudranson have got 4 if myers wasn't already making 6? probably not. On 8/1/2022 at 6:22 PM, tas said: because teams are about a hellofa lot more than metrics and the highly paid professionals who are actually put in charge to run these organizations realize that. Not our fault Columbus grossly overpaid him based on one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Not our fault Columbus grossly overpaid him based on one season. gudbranson is a commodity because he brings a lot more to a team than what meets the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Just now, tas said: gudbranson is a commodity because he brings a lot more to a team than what meets the eye. That didn’t actually work out for any team that has taken him on minus last season. Still an overpayment based on his entire body of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: That didn’t actually work out for any team that has taken him on minus last season. Still an overpayment based on his entire body of work. we have no idea how it worked out for those teams without asking the guys in the locker room. why do fans constantly forget the human nature of these things? has nobody here ever been part of a team before? the personalities are more important than the individual skills. a good team is one that brings out the best in each other, that's greater than the sum of their component parts. why is this such a hard concept to grasp? is jt miller jt miller on any other team? no. is tanev the single most important calgary flame? yes. just listen to the way his gm gushes about him. does alex burrows become alex burrows, hell, does he even get a cup of coffee if he comes up in any other group? no. jannik hansen went from a hero in vancouver to out of the league in half a friggin' season because the vancouver culture was his superpower. do you work better with people who are the absolute best individuals at their jobs, or with people who complement you personally and professionally, people you have rapport and chemistry and synergy with? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 5:26 PM, canucklehead44 said: I don’t know how Gudbranson has managed to get so many 3 & 4 million dollar contracts as a bottom pairing dman with horrible metrics Just look to the left of your comment 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, tas said: we have no idea how it worked out for those teams without asking the guys in the locker room. why do fans constantly forget the human nature of these things? has nobody here ever been part of a team before? the personalities are more important than the individual skills. a good team is one that brings out the best in each other, that's greater than the sum of their component parts. why is this such a hard concept to grasp? is jt miller jt miller on any other team? no. is tanev the single most important calgary flame? yes. just listen to the way his gm gushes about him. does alex burrows become alex burrows, hell, does he even get a cup of coffee if he comes up in any other group? no. jannik hansen went from a hero in vancouver to out of the league in half a friggin' season because the vancouver culture was his superpower. do you work better with people who are the absolute best individuals at their jobs, or with people who complement you personally and professionally, people you have rapport and chemistry and synergy with? He was mediocre in Van, slightly less mediocre in Pittsburgh, mediocre in Anaheim, solid in Ottawa. He is over paid based on his body of work. Not sure why you have to go all sjw about this. And yes I have played on numerous teams. Edited August 3, 2022 by canuck73_3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: He was mediocre in Van, slight less mediocre in Pittsburgh, mediocre in Anaheim, solid in Ottawa. He is over paid based on his body of work. Not sure why you have to go all sjw about this. And yes I have played on numerous teams. in what world is anything I said remotely "sjw"? none of it had anything do to with society or justice. you're missing the point by such a margin that it's jarring. gudbranson is one of the most intelligent and respected players in the league. he is always heavily involved in the nhlpa. think trevor linden. in addition to that he adds the physically imposing layer of safety that every team needs, a policeman. what kind of grades do you think his teammates would give him at the end of every year? they don't care one iota about how many giveaways he had or what his possession numbers were. they care that he was there to lean on when they had that important life decision to make, or that he punched guys in the face when they were taking liberties. gudbranson's stats are secondary to his true value, and that's why he continues to get paid. he helps to enable a room full of guys to be their best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, tas said: in what world is anything I said remotely "sjw"? none of it had anything do to with society or justice. you're missing the point by such a margin that it's jarring. gudbranson is one of the most intelligent and respected players in the league. he is always heavily involved in the nhlpa. think trevor linden. in addition to that he adds the physically imposing layer of safety that every team needs, a policeman. what kind of grades do you think his teammates would give him at the end of every year? they don't care one iota about how many giveaways he had or what his possession numbers were. they care that he was there to lean on when they had that important life decision to make, or that he punched guys in the face when they were taking liberties. gudbranson's stats are secondary to his true value, and that's why he continues to get paid. he helps to enable a room full of guys to be their best. He got over paid by about 1-1.5 million period because believe it or not on ice metrics matter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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