coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) This LTIR crap is getting out of control. How the NHL let the Knights aquire a 10 million dollar contract while being capped out is absolutely insane. Circumvention central and don't even get me started about the lightening and kucherov. Edited March 23, 2022 by coryberg Autocorrected capped out to called* 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, mll said: But it doesn't solve anything. To activate their players off LTIR they need to create real cap space. They could add 100M in LTIR contracts and it wouldn't solve their issue. CapFriendly did the math - that's the amount of cap space they need to clear by moving a contract or demoting players. So if a player is healthy, how do you legitimately keep them on LTIR? doesn't that kind of make a mockery of the cap system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, coryberg said: This LTIR crap is getting out of control. How the NHL let the Knights aquire a 10 million dollar contract while being called out is absolutely insane. Circumvention central and don't even get me started about the lightening and kucherov. Sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: So if a player is healthy, how do you legitimately keep them on LTIR? doesn't that kind of make a mockery of the cap system? They are not allowed to and will be forced to clear cap space. They'll have to find a team willing to take Dadonov or trade someone they don't want to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: So if a player is healthy, how do you legitimately keep them on LTIR? doesn't that kind of make a mockery of the cap system? Ask Tampa. Kucherov was "hurt until the playoffs started and came in fresh as a daisy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, mll said: But it doesn't solve anything. To activate their players off LTIR they need to create real cap space. They could add 100M in LTIR contracts and it wouldn't solve their issue. CapFriendly did the math - that's the amount of cap space they need to clear by moving a contract or demoting players. Adding $100M to LTIR would definitely solve their problem of activating players. By that notion, the Canucks shouldn't be able to activate Poolman, but they can, and they will because they are still carrying Ferland, Sutter, and Keeper on LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mll said: Sarcasm? Capped out* not called out While the rule had good intentions to start it's clearly being used as a loophole these days. Edited March 23, 2022 by coryberg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, mll said: They are not allowed to and will be forced to clear cap space. They'll have to find a team willing to take Dadonov or trade someone they don't want to trade. I wonder if Betttman will really do that though. I mean look at SJS and Kane situation, they just left it hanging and allowed SJS to add new cap money even though the NHL's own investigation showed there wasn't grounds to terminate. I have no faith that Bettman will hold Vegas to any kind of standard on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, mll said: They are not allowed to and will be forced to clear cap space. They'll have to find a team willing to take Dadonov or trade someone they don't want to trade. Or take on more LTIR. Doesn't help to in terms of actual cap space, but it does allow them to activate Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, coryberg said: Ask Tampa. Kucherov was "hurt until the playoffs started and came in fresh as a daisy. cool, so Stone needs to lie about his health and everyone believes it. Thats Putin level propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, coryberg said: Ask Tampa. Kucherov was "hurt until the playoffs started and came in fresh as a daisy. Kucherov had a torn labrum in his hip. It's an injury/surgery that quite a few players have had. The recovery time is listed at 5 to 6 months. That same season Pastrnak took 4.5 months after being announced at 5 months, Seguin took 6 months. Tampa was aided that it was a shortened season. Tampa didn't even expect him back that early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Adding $100M to LTIR would definitely solve their problem of activating players. By that notion, the Canucks shouldn't be able to activate Poolman, but they can, and they will because they are still carrying Ferland, Sutter, and Keeper on LTIR. It wouldn't. Players on LTIR count against the cap. There's absolutely no cap space created. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: cool, so Stone needs to lie about his health and everyone believes it. Thats Putin level propaganda. I already feel that was the case. Stone played hurt all year but as soon as eichel was ready to come back he was moved to LTIR. Super convenient 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, HKSR said: Or take on more LTIR. Doesn't help to in terms of actual cap space, but it does allow them to activate Martinez. Wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, mll said: Kucherov had a torn labrum in his hip. It's an injury/surgery that quite a few players have had. The recovery time is listed at 5 to 6 months. That same season Pastrnak took 4.5 months after being announced at 5 months, Seguin took 6 months. Tampa was aided that it was a shortened season. Tampa didn't even expect him back that early. Too hurt for the regular season but didn't miss a game or evena minute of the entire stanley cup playoffs. He obviously could have played the last few games of the regular season at least... but they didn't have the CAP space because they used the loophole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, coryberg said: This LTIR crap is getting out of control. How the NHL let the Knights aquire a 10 million dollar contract while being capped out is absolutely insane. Circumvention central and don't even get me started about the lightening and kucherov. Don't worry, by 2025 when we are a sure fire contender and we put Petey on the LTIR after acquring Barzal from the Islanders in a big trade, the NHL will investigate and will "do the right thing" and take away our playoff spot and give it to the 9th place team in the West. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, coryberg said: I already feel that was the case. Stone played hurt all year but as soon as eichel was ready to come back he was moved to LTIR. Super convenient You're acknowledging Stone being hurt, then complain when a hurt player goes on LTIR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, ruilin96 said: Don't worry, by 2025 when we are a sure fire contender and we put Petey on the LTIR after acquring Barzal from the Islanders in a big trade, the NHL will investigate and will "do the right thing" and take away our playoff spot and give it to the 9th place team in the West. We did it in 2011 and weren't punished. This whole mindset of the league being out to screw only the Canucks at every possible turn is really quite sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, mll said: Wrong. So the Canucks have just over 5 mil left in LTIR, couldn't we trade for Dadonov and add him to our roster? If Vegas gave us their 2nd and 3rd I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Does anyone (around here) know what Dadonov's 10 team list is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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