[PGT] St. Louis Blues at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 30, 2022

[bishopshodan]

Just now, Ghostsof1915 said:

Yeah....not sure about that, but we can hope!

I'm an optimist and our record under BB makes me feel we are closer than some do. 

[guntrix]

16 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Nah.

Good core.

Biggest mistake by JB was not turfing Green.

 

We have a good front office now. Tweaks in the off season. Cup within 3 years. 

 

JB also wasted our core’s ELC years by signing bad contracts. 
 

I’d take JB the scout any day of the week. Just not the GM version. 

[IBatch]

10 minutes ago, guntrix said:

JB also wasted our core’s ELC years by signing bad contracts. 
 

I’d take JB the scout any day of the week. Just not the GM version. 

Only team to win a cup during a future cores ELC since the cap started was CHI first cup, and that was Toews last season.   All the other cups were on second deals for the most part. 

[bishopshodan]

12 minutes ago, guntrix said:

JB also wasted our core’s ELC years by signing bad contracts. 
 

I’d take JB the scout any day of the week. Just not the GM version. 

i can hear you there. 

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Only team to win a cup during a future cores ELC since the cap started was CHI first cup, and that was Toews last season.   All the other cups were on second deals for the most part. 

Have there been any recent Cups (cap era) where teams win Cups when the second congrats to their star players are over 10 mil per n the cap?  

[Elias Pettersson]

7 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

so the 3.5mil+ of dead cap is no big deal really? because you have bad contracts who cares about dead caps?? what? 

 

well then let's buy out OEL as he'll only cost 4.6mil for 3 years and then 2mil for 5 more years.. but since it's dead caps it's no big deal it's better than bad contracts.. 

Buying him out is another option in a couple of years.  Better to trade him with retention though so the pain doesn't last as long.

 

Boston was an option but now they have signed Lindholm to a similar type contract.  They will have their pain in a few years time with that contract.

 

All depends on what we do with Miller, Boeser, Garland, BO, Myers, Pearson, Dickinson, Poolman.  There is lots of money there that can be moved around to get young cheaper players.  Minnesota bought out 2 contracts for a total of $14 million in dead cap for 3 years straight but you're worried about $3.5 million?  Would you rather just keep OEL on the team and trade Rathbone and every other young Dman we have in order to keep OEL around?

[Elias Pettersson]

58 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Scott Hartnell...was a rough and tumble top six/middle six sort ... cool red beard to boot with some size...he fell down so often a fan started keeping track and would go to the games with a sign - "Hartnell Down" ... some funny take on Blackhawk Down.   He fell down a lot too.  Hundreds of times a year apparently. 

Petey needs a new skate sharpener...

[Nucker 67]

Pettersson, Podkolzin and Hughes in their prime are going to be great. 

 

But when that happens, will Miller still be real good? Or just expensive?

[Alflives]

1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said:

Pettersson, Podkolzin and Hughes in their prime are going to be great. 

 

But when that happens, will Miller still be real good? Or just expensive?

15-16 Million tied up in the older bodies of Miller and OEL will kill any chance to compete.  

[Elias Pettersson]

19 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Have there been any recent Cups (cap era) where teams win Cups when the second congrats to their star players are over 10 mil per n the cap?  

$10 million is an arbitrary number.  Tampa has won the last 2 cups with 2 guys at $9.5 million.  But then the league let them circumvent the cap for 2 years straight using LTIR money, so I would say without Bettman's help it would be difficult.  With the contracts being handed out now though it's inevitable you are looking at at least 2 guys on your team in the $9 million+ category if you are a cup contender.

 

Tampa will have 3 guys at $9.5 million next year.  Colorado will have 2 guys next year at $9 million with Mackinnon waiting in the wings.  Florida will have 2 guys at $10 million.  Carolina looks good so far, no massive contracts so we will see how they fair in the playoffs.

[Elias Pettersson]

6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Pettersson, Podkolzin and Hughes in their prime are going to be great. 

 

But when that happens, will Miller still be real good? Or just expensive?

Without the OEL contract I think re-signing Miller is a no-brainer.  But you are right.  Having both on the team might put a strain on the cap in 2-3 years.  At the end of the day you pay Petey, Quinn and Demko.  The rest are all tradeable for the right price and you have to get your cap in place with the other contracts.  Miller can still fir in there, but you have to get rid of Boeser and Garland and get cheaper wingers on ELC contracts.

[Nucker 67]

10 minutes ago, Alflives said:

15-16 Million tied up in the older bodies of Miller and OEL will kill any chance to compete.  

and it would be nice to add some young players to play with Petey, Podz and Hughes, like maybe Lundkvist, Chytil, Grans, whoever. A young team that could do some damage in 5 years. But...Miller's contract won't allow them to pay the young studs. That worries me about this team. Giving big contracts to veterans. If Miller was 5 years younger, sure. 

 

Edited April 1, 2022 by NUCKER67

[guntrix]

34 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Only team to win a cup during a future cores ELC since the cap started was CHI first cup, and that was Toews last season.   All the other cups were on second deals for the most part. 

Not referring to winning a cup. But having some decent playoffs 

 

Just imagine being able to retain guys like Edler, Tanev and Toffoli, and having a little something left over for other needs. JB's anchor contracts would've had to give way. 

[Alflives]

Just now, NUCKER67 said:

and it would be nice to add some young payers to play with Petey, Podz and Hughes, like maybe Lundkvist, Chytil, Grans, whoever. A young team that could do some damage in 5 years. But...Miller's contract won't allow them to pay the young studs. That worries me about this team. Giving big contracts to veterans. If Miller was 5 years younger, sure. 

And it does sure appear like we are going to sign Miller to a big contract.  Which is an even bigger mistake than not trading him at this past TDL.  We just can’t afford to miss such good opportunities to make us (in a couple years) a consistent winner.  

[Alflives]

10 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

$10 million is an arbitrary number.  Tampa has won the last 2 cups with 2 guys at $9.5 million.  But then the league let them circumvent the cap for 2 years straight using LTIR money, so I would say without Bettman's help it would be difficult.  With the contracts being handed out now though it's inevitable you are looking at at least 2 guys on your team in the $9 million+ category if you are a cup contender.

 

Tampa will have 3 guys at $9.5 million next year.  Colorado will have 2 guys next year at $9 million with Mackinnon waiting in the wings.  Florida will have 2 guys at $10 million.  Carolina looks good so far, no massive contracts so we will see how they fair in the playoffs.

So no team with even one 10 mil contract has won a Cup in the cap era.  

[Rabbit]

Canucks is over 90% missing the playoff this season.

I tried to think about what to do in the off season.

 

Broser and Garland will be traded.

Halak, Poolman, need to go.

Pettersson is too easy to loss the puck, he need to be stronger.

 

I love Myers, might be he needed to trade due to cap issue.

 

[Elias Pettersson]

5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So no team with even one 10 mil contract has won a Cup in the cap era.  

Not yet.  Could happen this year though.  When was the first $10 million contract handed out?

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Not yet.  Could happen this year though.  When was the first $10 million contract handed out?

Not too sure.  But it’s like 10 is the number GM’s (in this flat cap) definitely want to stay under.  

[-DLC-]

40 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And it does sure appear like we are going to sign Miller to a big contract.  Which is an even bigger mistake than not trading him at this past TDL.  We just can’t afford to miss such good opportunities to make us (in a couple years) a consistent winner.  

Alf, there's no guarantee getting rid of him WILL make us a consistent winner.

 

It's not that simple. And, right now at least, we know what we have in Miller...what kind of difference he can make. Sure, he'll likely slow down...but he won't need a walker. It's not just that you pencil in young guys or big guys and it's an instant fit. Chemistry matters...how guys work together. The influence they have on others. How they respond to coaching staff. Etc.

 

People talk like it's a certainty that whatever Miller brings in return is a guaranteed success. May or may not be, just like Miller may or may not fall completely off.

[-Vintage Canuck-]