[PGT] Anaheim Ducks at Vancouver Canucks | Nov. 03, 2022

[AnthonyG]

17 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Yeah, he's been great. Much better than whatever the f*** Myers has been doing this season.  

 

Bear passes the eye test with his good physical play and puck movement. +/- is a terrible stat but being +2 after 2 games where we've given up 10 goals is quite impressive. 

Myers has been objectively terrible this season. His terrible coverage has directly resulted in goals against. He wasn't just on the ice for them, he was the direct cause. I've been a big defender of Myers since he signed, and I thought his play during the COVID shortened season was phenomenal. Even last year, he played some hard minutes and did a very decent job. This year.... it's been atrocious so far. He looks behind the play and not like himself. Maybe he's not actually healthy, or maybe he's struggling and will pick it back up. So far, it's been horrid and he's dragged down his D partner. There's a reason OEL had a much better game last night playing with Bear. 

 

Look at Terry's goal last night. Myers blows coverage and has a terrible gap. Terry waltzes past him and has all the time in the world. That's happened every game he's played this season so far. It's just not like him. 

Yea but why do the stats indicate otherwise? It seems like maybe one bad game and not every game this season. 
 

You’re talking about Troy Terry’s goal where Mikheyev and Stillman back right up and allow Klingberg to waltz into our zone without any pressure… Myers throws a stick check as Klingberg comes to his side, dishes the puck to Terry down along the boards in speed and once again Mikheyev backs right ontop of Stillman ontop of the crease and allow Terry to get a shot off without pressure.

 

1st mistake and the biggest mistake was not attacking Klingberg right at the blueline. That is on Stillman and Mikheyev no communication, no one pressured him and tried to force an offiside. Myers had 2 guys open to the right of him and Klingber coming right at him. What should have happened is Mikheyev should have talked to Stillman to attack Terry, while Mikheyev could have held the net front and taken away the passing lane which was the 2nd mistake. So instead, those 2 failed to pressure at the line and failed to attack Terry as he was cutting towards the net. Myers got beat because they allowed zone entry and Klingberg was able to delay while Terry came in with speed. They put Myers between a rock and a hard place. 

[AnthonyG]

6 minutes ago, mordekai said:

Myers is paid 7x more than Schenn. Myers is paid to be a top pair or at the least top 4. Schenn isn't even suppose to be top 6 so comparing to schenn is like comparing apples to oranges.

 

Myers was great last year when he got heavy minutes. This year he has just been so bad. 

Well the advanced stats sure back up his pay to Schenns. Our goalies have a .915sv% in this garbage start to the season with Myers on the ice. They are sub .900 with Schenn on the ice.

[mordekai]

5 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Well the advanced stats sure back up his pay to Schenns. Our goalies have a .915sv% in this garbage start to the season with Myers on the ice. They are sub .900 with Schenn on the ice.

stats stats stats... = 

Your stats are correlation at best not direction causation. 
if you watch any games Myers has been terrible. Gap control, puck dump-ins NOT the same Myers from last year.

edit: Demko has been playing poorly too

Edited November 4, 2022 by mordekai

[Jaimito]

Typical nux banter just like cdc. 

 

 

 

 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Pretty crazy.

 

 

[lmm]

1 hour ago, DS4quality said:

As an aside, when Kesler won the selke Canucks were one of if not the best team in the league. It's kind of hard to ignore a team that's winning

I don't think there is another trophy that relies as heavily on reputation

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=selke+trophy&oq=selke+trophy&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i512l9.4769j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#wptab=si:AC1wQDB1RPKcp5E2hzO9j_8LOkrJNgeQQ2rIz0cpVPqj7QzZ6XdtncygYpIFaLpwB87u8etIuiAgIj-Nedk1fr7NwekCsYb24Du_LbgD6Lo6jGgAaLf087GfWFe13m8ce5hK014D08rWTuUnisqsknJ5IwQa1wffsg%3D%3D

 

it's just the same names in a different order all the time

it also helps to have a couple of +30+ seasons in your history , so you can glide in with a +25 now and again

Edited November 4, 2022 by lmm

[86Viking]

great beer league hockey win by the team last night. Need to figure out how to play better cause that would have been a loss if against almost any other team in the league. Hope they can win another tomorrow vs the Preds!

[AnthonyG]

7 minutes ago, Wanless said:

I like this

 

do OEL next

Hes been on for 10 goals against at even strength, better sv% 5v5 and short handed than Schenn, but not by much.
 

Schenn is getting top 4 mins to be a stay at home kinda guy, because he doesnt provide offence. Right now he provides very little of either. 
 

OEL is providing both, offence more than defence. His numbers arent great, but they’re also not as bad as Hughes, Schenn, Rathbone or Stillman

 

that being said. Most of these goals against for a lot of these dmen are on the PK. 5v5 we are above the league avg in most areas.
 

Kyle Burroughs should not be sitting on the sidelines. His numbers are pretty solid.

 

 

Ultimately this season is once again a PK issue and system issue, not player issue imo. The PK was fine under Shaw, who was our 3rd PK coach last season. This season its a new coach, new system, some new PKers and its ugly and like they pointed out on in an intermission a couple weeks back, there is zero communication on the ice right now in the dzone. Which is leading to confusion and goals against. Like how many PK goals against this season?? Its game 11 and we have like 11 goals against in our losses or something stupid. Plus another 2 against in our wins. Not to mention the Kaprizov GWG in OT with a pending penalty. Thats nearly 1/3 of the total goals against this season, JUST from the PK. Hard to win games when you cant kill a penalty. Add in the brutal giveaways on the PP that have resulted in goals against and over 1/3 of the goals against are from special teams. 
 

Figure the f***ing PK out and we’ll win a lot more games. 
 

Would also be nice if the new guys could stop drinking the Vancouver f***ing tapwater and getting injured every god damn season. Like seriously I cant think of a guy who joined Van and didnt get injured in the first season for an extended period of time. Myers played pretty much the full shortened season in 19-20 but fractured his foot or something like that in the last game and missed most of the playoffs didnt he?

 

 

[86Viking]

2 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Last night's game showed me 2 things that I don't see mentioned enough;

 

- Myers and Stillman are a dumpster fire of a pairing, and Myers has been abysmal all season.

Anyone paired with Myers immediately turn into our worst pairing...can't wait till he is gone, likely not moved till the 2024 TDL though

[AnthonyG]

22 minutes ago, mordekai said:

stats stats stats... = 

Your stats are correlation at best not direction causation. 
if you watch any games Myers has been terrible. Gap control, puck dump-ins NOT the same Myers from last year.

edit: Demko has been playing poorly too

Ultimately stats still tell you exactly what is going on. Demko who is struggling has a better chance at making a save when Myers is on the ice, over every other dman. 
 

Causation on the Troy Terry goal = Mikheyev and Stillman not pressuring Klingberg at the blueline as he waltzed along the line. 1 stick check at the line and they either knock it away OR Klingberg pulls it back and Anaheim goes offside.

Klingberg delays, Terry comes racing in, dishes to Terry, who has more speed and further away from Myers, easier to get around him…. Mik and Stillman dont talk, no one attacks Terry and they stand there infront of the net with their thumbs up each others ass, watching him walk in uncontested. Mikheyev and Stillman were ontop of each other, WHY?!?!??! SOMEONE ATTACK AND SOMEONE HOLD THE FRONT OF THE NET. You already allowed them to walk in unpressured once, now you’re doing it again?!

[86Viking]

1 hour ago, AnthonyG said:

cant say anything bad about Schenn because hes a fan favourite, its gotta be Myers thats the issue because hes the whipping boy.

 

Myers 6m per year

 

Schenn 850k per year

 

When you make 7x as much as Schenn, you should be a HECK of a lot better than him, yet he is NOT! End of story...

[Alflives]

Just now, Canuckster86 said:

Myers 6m per year

 

Schenn 850k per year

 

When you make 7x as much as Schenn, you should be a HECK of a lot better than him, yet he is NOT! End of story...

Yup.  Myers is awful.  He was carried by OEL last year.  He should be good enough to carry a third pairing, especially for that money.  But he can’t.  

[vancan2233]

3 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Scary to see Dries as our 3C and that's not with injuries, that's because we traded away the PPG Dickinson, acquired another 5M winger in Mikheyev instead of a cheaper veteran center and now play Miller on the wing. Obviously our thin defence is causing us issues but not many teams have an AHLer pencilled in as their 3 and 4C without any center injuries.

 

That being said, win the next game and we're on par with Calgary and above Colorado sooo...

Can not say Dries has caused any negative play. He has not been standing out in a bad or good way. Writing that there is no good reason to have him in the line up over the forwards we have. 

[86Viking]

39 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

Well the advanced stats sure back up his pay to Schenns. Our goalies have a .915sv% in this garbage start to the season with Myers on the ice. They are sub .900 with Schenn on the ice.

your comparing a guy being paid to be a top 4 D to a player who on almost any other team is NOT an every day NHL D man. The reason he is, chemistry with Hughes and his willingness to drop the gloves and stand up for his teammates

[stawns]

9 hours ago, IBatch said:

All i will say is there is a lot of hockey left.   Horvat isn't lighting the lamp 5 x 5.  He's feasting on the PP which was also red hot last year after Bruce arrived.   All Bo is doing, is making a similar deal to Millers look more palatable.   Before we get too inspired, let's see what it looks like in 2023 shall we?   Scott Walker was the player of the week one year too, league wide.    

Horvat has been miles better than Milker, who has been one of the worst fwds so far this season

[86Viking]

36 minutes ago, Jaimito said:

Typical nux banter just like cdc. 

 

 

 

 

Nice to have specific BC sports coverage show. Donnie is old and bitter after all the losing this franchise has done with him in media. Rick, makes many mistakes but it makes the show. Ryan, for a producer he dresses like a hipster who complians about cushioning of seats too much. Seats are outdated, sounds like they will be replaced. I have more issue with the cost of going to an event and the ridiculous cost of food and drinks of any kind once you enter the building.

[eeeeergh]

4 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Very interesting to see Hoglander bump out Garland. 
wonder what the deal is there. 

[eeeeergh]

3 hours ago, Mackcanuck said:

 

It’s kinda wild to me that even in the upper echelon of professional sports there’s such a difference in the work ethic and preparation from one team to another

 

 

[eeeeergh]

3 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Why are Pearson and Myers practicing pk, we all know it’s going to be one of those two in the box…

They should be practicing their sprints out of the box trying to take a clean breakaway pass 

[aGENT]

41 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Pretty crazy.

 

 

Hey, you know what we should have done this summer? Set up the team to build around Pettersson and Hughes and their primes!