bishopshodan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Well we are 19th in percentage points. So impressive. I can't believe that some people are going to try to pretend like this team is close to being a competitive club. Boggles the mind the amount of losing we have gone through and some just can't stand to think this team needs big change. We're on our way. Great core at the right age and with the right positions. Top D in QH, Top centre in EP, Top Goalie(?), Great Captain in Bo, Great all rounder vet in JT. It's like casting for a super group. We're in a good place. It will take a coup;le years of tweaking and we will be the team you cant see. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: Yeah, that's beyond laughable. Miller was put on the wing because he was drinking up the joint defensively........like pressbox bad Yeah, you dont like that we brought in coach BB though so I'm not surprised. \ Then again, I thought I knew more than Green so I understand you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Maginator said: I would keep Podz & Hogs at all costs because if we have any chance at re-signing Bo & Kuzmenko we're going to need cheap but effective players on the roster. Garland, Boeser, Pearson are the 3 wingers that I would get rid of in order to create cap, and Podz and Hogs can fill 3rd line roles. Pederson - Petey - Kuz Miller - Bo - Mik Hogs - _____ - Podz They can move up and down the lineup as needed too. Just my 2 cents. If we have any shot at re-signing Bo and Kuzmenko these two will need to be retained. Pearson, Garland, Boeser can all be replaced with cheaper contracts. those 3 = 15 mil + the other 15 mil in cap space come july 1st 2023. Not as hurting as some suggest, imagine if Miller is traded... there's another 8 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: We're on our way. Great core at the right age and with the right positions. Top D in QH, Top centre in EP, Top Goalie(?), Great Captain in Bo, Great all rounder vet in JT. It's like casting for a super group. We're in a good place. It will take a coup;le years of tweaking and we will be the team you cant see. You can't tweak if you don't have the picks and assets. Do people not understand how trades work? Teams at our age range usually have a stack full of prospects and picks and we don't unfortunately. Sure try to trade Myers,OEL, Boeser, Garland, Pearson but what impact players do you really expect to get back. Others teams aren't dumb and know the Canucks conundrum they are in. Edited December 28, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, Canuckfanforlife82 said: You can't tweak if you don't have the picks and assets. Do people not understand how trades work? We can move so folks from the wing to help out the D Its not the mountian you make it out to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: You can't add to the current group if you don't have assets to give to get the players they need to build around them. That's our issue. That's why I think players like Bo, who I love mind you, need to be traded to bring in more pieces. Sadly, we just don't have a lot to offer other teams to fix our current d core. I can see your view for sure. But with our core five in place I think we can make the needed changes to the supporting cast to be a winner. Pearson, Garland, Boeser, Myers, OEL will all be replaced within two seasons. We’ve already seen change to guys like Mik, Lazar, Kuz, Studs, Joshua, Aman, Dermott, Bear. These guys are way better than Benning’s supporting guys, and cost way less too. Some of these guys will be replaced too. So our supporting cast is already improved from Benning. And we are going to see more improvement in October 2023 (and even better in October 2024) than what Benning created - which was a mess. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, Muttley said: Great to hear the positivity, Alf. Rock on! Alf is one of the best hockey minds on CDC. His fun attitude may distract some from that but he knows hockey and knows the Canucks. Even understands ownerships issues. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I can see your view for sure. But with our core five in place I think we can make the needed changes to the supporting cast to be a winner. Pearson, Garland, Boeser, Myers, OEL will all be replaced within two seasons. We’ve already seen change to guys like Mik, Lazar, Kuz, Studs, Joshua, Aman, Dermott, Bear. These guys are way better than Benning’s supporting guys, and cost way less too. Some of these guys will be replaced too. So our supporting cast is already improved from Benning. And we are going to see more improvement in October 2023 (and even better in October 2024) than what Benning created - which was a mess. I understand when you look on paper that our core five is a pretty good core five. They just don't play well together consistently throughout the season. My question is though, how do you bring more impact players in without the assets to do so? Edited December 28, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: Team statistics don't lie and they are at the bottom of the league. Nowhere close to being a winning club again. I never said once you guys should stop cheering, I am just surprised that fans can be so easily persuaded by this organization by the comments they make but everyone is entitled to cheer and get excited when they want but your comments that they are close are just not true. Clearly we have great core players. They all had excellent seasons last year and are doing well again this year, except Demko. But we all know that’s due to injury. Bubble Boy will be back and great again. It’s been our supporting players that stink. They were (continue to be) overpaid and don’t help our core enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Clearly we have great core players. They all had excellent seasons last year and are doing well again this year, except Demko. But we all know that’s due to injury. Bubble Boy will be back and great again. It’s been our supporting players that stink. They were (continue to be) overpaid and don’t help our core enough. My question is still unanswered, how do you bring more impact players in without the assets to do so especially on d? Edited December 28, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Yeah, you dont like that we brought in coach BB though so I'm not surprised. \ Then again, I thought I knew more than Green so I understand you. They should have gone with a coach with more longevity, one that could grow with the team. BB has always been a placeholder for someone else and I didn't, and don't, see the point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted December 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Alf is one of the best hockey minds on CDC. His fun attitude may distract some from that but he knows hockey and knows the Canucks. Even understands ownerships issues. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) Yay mediocrity! In all honesty, I just hope they can keep Pettersson long term. Make him the captain one day if Bo leaves. His play on the ice says it all. a true example of a natural leader. Edited December 28, 2022 by Canuckfanforlife82 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 11 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Which tends to show the DAWG rating is not always very accurate at all, doesn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, stawns said: 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeQuinnAndEggs Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, Alflives said: Watching our guys play it’s clear we have the high end players in the key positions to be a winner. Great goalie. Demko, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Bo. The supporting cast is changing over to JR/Allvin guys. More to come. I agree but we won't be able to change the supporting cast with the way this team is constructed and capped out. Plus we need to re-up Pettersson in less than 2 years. Trading Bo makes sense, we can load up on futures to start re stocking the cupboard and it will give us some cap flexibility to find a top d man and some more checking and pk specialists. Our offense won't win us playoff series but our defense will lose them. Heck just making the playoffs is farfetched for this group as the last 8 years have shown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: I understand when you look on paper that our core five is a pretty good core five. They just don't play well together consistently throughout the season. My question is though, how do you bring more impact players in without the assets to do so? Yup. The lack of assets to use as currency to bring in better supporting players is an issue. No denying that. But we’ve seen this new management already figure out ways to reduce the cost of these supporting guys, while bringing in ones that better support the core five. Hamonic at three per out and Dermott at less in. Dickinson out and Bear in. UFA’s like Lazar, Joshua, Aman in for a lot less that even one Beagle. It’s a process of change in the supporting group that is going to take extra time because of Benning leaving the asset cupboard empty, and overpaying (with term) so many supporting role players. It’s only been one year and this new management has actually done pretty good considering the mess in the support group they started with. But Benning did build a great core five. (Okay Bo was already here) but Petey, Demko, Miller, Hughes are all Benning acquisitions. Now we build. But the supporting group around the core. I think we can do it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gawdzukes Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, bishopshodan said: Pre game last night were pointing out how JT had been put on wing to help Bo with his 5 on 5 game. He was placed on wing in the top 6 due to BB's lack of faith in our wingers. Not because JT cant play centre. Now, coach has the team balanced with the forwards the way he wanted and we are seeing the results. I'd rather have a guy that can be responsible as a Center myself. Miller has been crap in the middle all year despite you saying it's everything but that. I'm pretty sure he was moved off Center initially because he wasn't doing the job. That was well documented. We'll see moving forward what happens but being placed on the wing while playing an AHLer at Center because of BB's lack of trust in the 30 wingers on this team is far fetched at best. JT saving Bo's crappy season first, now Centering a line all by himself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. The lack of assets to use as currency to bring in better supporting players is an issue. No denying that. But we’ve seen this new management already figure out ways to reduce the cost of these supporting guys, while bringing in ones that better support the core five. Hamonic at three per out and Dermott at less in. Dickinson out and Bear in. UFA’s like Lazar, Joshua, Aman in for a lot less that even one Beagle. It’s a process of change in the supporting group that is going to take extra time because of Benning leaving the asset cupboard empty, and overpaying (with term) so many supporting role players. It’s only been one year and this new management has actually done pretty good considering the mess in the support group they started with. But Benning did build a great core five. (Okay Bo was already here) but Petey, Demko, Miller, Hughes are all Benning acquisitions. Now we build. But the supporting group around the core. I think we can do it. You also have to remember that Bo and Kuzmenko might not want to stay especially considering they will have a better chance to win elsewhere and more money being offered. Bo wants to win. This team as constructed really isn't that close. Kuzmenko knows he's going to get a boatload of money. Having said that imagine the assets we could get back for both that could set this franchise up for the future. This organization needs to start thinking long term and not short term. They have a real chance to build this team for a long competitive run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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