awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: Requests a trade more likely. He presumably doesn't want to stay for a rebuild if we're to take his very words at face value. Yeah that's not "walking" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, awalk said: Are you suggesting if the Canucks went full tear down, Petey and Hughes would somehow leave the team for zero return? We'd get return. I'm not convinced that return would be enough to make us a contender down the line though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Face Doom Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, awalk said: Larkin isn't quite on par with Petey but Seider is a franchise D man Agree on Seider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: But add in a potential top 6 pick in this draft and now our prospect pool ranking goes to 15-16.. Not a bad job from a management team that inherited a bad team with empty cupboards, if theyre able to improve our prospect pool that much, while making our team better by plugging holes on D and the PK. Itll help this year presuming they don't trade our 1st, but unless its CB, AF, or MM it's not moving the dial that much overall. How do you plug holes when you are over the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, awalk said: Yeah that's not "walking" Does it change things? Does it make a difference? I literally just stated what I think about returns. People overvalue what we'd get back on this forum most of the time anyway, not to mention forget that there's something called the cap. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: Does it change things? Does it make a difference? I literally just stated what I think about returns. People overvalue what we'd get back on this forum most of the time anyway, not to mention forget that there's something called the cap. lol You said he'd "walk", that's something a player does into free agency for nothing. So yes, it does make a significant difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Stop trading away all our picks for once and establish a pipeline. Benning was convinced that he could get just as good of players through trading those picks and finding gems in later rounds. Both failed miserably because there’s no surer way to get young talent in your lineup than drafting in the first and second round. It’s really not up for debate, look at any successful organization. Any young reclamation project is usually cast off for a reason. I feel like this is Benning in his early years where everyone defended his moves (myself included). But I can’t just watch us make the same mistakes we did for 8 years under him and not question it. It’s 100% the reason we’re in this mess. Had we kept picks over the years and drafted properly we could have a young core and a steady pipeline of high end players coming up. Instead we have two core players and very little in terms of blue chip prospects. Edited March 4, 2023 by DeNiro 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Anyway guys, I've started drinking, so either I'll walk away from this thread or you'll be arguing with a drunk later on tonight. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 42 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: That may be true over Byram, but I never suggested getting Byram, I fail to see what it has to do with my point. I’m just saying GMs and fans alike pursue players with a sketchy injury history. Chychrun as another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, awalk said: You said he'd "walk", that's something a player does into free agency for nothing. So yes, it does make a significant difference. Okay, Mr. Pedantic. Good to know. lol (or Mrs of course) Edited March 4, 2023 by The Lock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, awalk said: Itll help this year presuming they don't trade our 1st, but unless its CB, AF, or MM it's not moving the dial that much overall. How do you plug holes when you are over the cap? I think they have what they need to create cap space. 1. As soon as Myers bonus is paid, his salary goes to 1m, but with a 6m cap hit. That becomes attractive to any team that is tanking and needs to hit the cap floor with minimal real salary. That should be easy to move. 2. Boeser is pretty attractive with a million or two of retention. I know Allvin didnt want to do that, but he'll probably have to. And that retention wont hurt us long run, its just for 2 years. 3. Garlands contract is somewhat buyout friendly too if nobody wants to take him. I dont think Poolmans returning, and Pearson unfortunately looks like his hand was really messed up bad. Both likely LTIR next year. And we always have the nuclear buyout option too - buying out OEL which creates a lot of cap space next year (but punishes us in a couple years). They can create up to 20m in cap space, or as much as needed with the above options. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, The Lock said: Okay, Mr. Pedantic. Good to know. lol (or Mrs of course) Lmao Losing our franchise defenseman for nothing And Trading him for a massive haul of picks and prospects Is a pedantic difference. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, awalk said: Lmao Losing our franchise defenseman for nothing And Trading him for a massive haul of picks and prospects Is a pedantic difference. Got it. You clearly missed the point. We won't have Hughes either way and the return's not guaranteed. My point still stands dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, eeeeergh said: I think they have what they need to create cap space. 1. As soon as Myers bonus is paid, his salary goes to 1m, but with a 6m cap hit. That becomes attractive to any team that is tanking and needs to hit the cap floor with minimal real salary. That should be easy to move. 2. Boeser is pretty attractive with a million or two of retention. I know Allvin didnt want to do that, but he'll probably have to. And that retention wont hurt us long run, its just for 2 years. 3. Garlands contract is somewhat buyout friendly too if nobody wants to take him. I dont think Poolmans returning, and Pearson unfortunately looks like his hand was really messed up bad. Both likely LTIR next year. And we always have the nuclear buyout option too - buying out OEL which creates a lot of cap space next year (but punishes us in a couple years). They can create up to 20m in cap space, or as much as needed with the above options. An OEL buy out does significantly help us next year. If the cap goes up in the following years, it's possible it could be a prudent move. But holy hell 10 years of buy out penalty is a lot. We'll see on the other stuff, there's likely a path as you say. There will have to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 17 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said: If it turns out to be a Joulevi, we're screwed. Petey/Hughs window closes Yeah, well at least now it's guaranteed. We're an awful bottom 6 team with the worst cap situation in the league and next to 0 prospects in the pipeline. Put a fork in us and set the alarm for 2030. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: You clearly missed the point. We won't have Hughes either way and the return's not guaranteed. My point still stands dude. When's anything a guarantee? We aren't guaranteed to win anything with Hughes now, and I hate the idea of trading him anyway. Weird point to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 @awalk Also, what makes you think we'd get a massive haul of picks and prospects and not another Hronek or OEL ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: @awalk Also, what makes you think we'd get a massive haul of picks and prospects and not another Hronek or OEL ROFL Because it's Quinn mother effing Hughes dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, awalk said: Because it's Quinn mother effing Hughes dude Okay, you have fun with that. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Lock said: Okay, you have fun with that. lol With what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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