Goal:thecup Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: That is what the GMs tell you to sell season tickets next year but these late season runs are just delaying the return to legitimate contender. ‘It is different if you are a team purposely built, and starting the climb up to respectability. We are haphazardly built, throw in latest first rounder every third year when we haven’t traded it away for shortcut, add some more UFAs to fix the gaps in the system created by trading away all of our pics and then change coach every other year for a coaching bump that is equivalent to a sugar high at the end of the year. Patience Grassdoctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Coconuts said: And yet you're the one choosing to engage and make it personal. I see your posts all the time, sometimes I agree and sometimes I don't, and yet the only time you ever hear from me is when you choose to engage. There's a lot of takes you're never going to agree with but for the most part we're talking hockey around here, not morality, ethics, or something more substantial. You don't have to agree, but you don't have to engage either. Life is easier when you live and let live. Oh thank you so much wise coconut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: We do not have to be a complete team this year; and maybe not even next. Please report on needs and solutions after TDL 2024. This is also not a rose-coloured etc; it is proper development and cap management. e.g. JR said we were not going to give away assets to make moves this year. Then he traded a first and 2 seconds and destroyed any chance of cap space for win now moves at the end of a dead season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, DrJockitch said: Then he traded a first and 2 seconds and destroyed any chance of cap space for win now moves at the end of a dead season. Did you miss the discussion which concluded that we were right to acquire a needed RHD while we had the chance. We've been waiting and waiting for a good young RHD, the Islanders pick was not necessarily a 2023 1st, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Oh thank you so much wise coconut. More like cocowise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, CanucksJay said: I guess it depends on injuries to whom If it's Petey, Hughes or Demko, we're screwed. If it's Di Giuseppi, he can be replaced? Yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 32 minutes ago, stawns said: So you're expecting a professional coach and former player to be on board with not doing the best they can do? They are professionals and they are competitors......they're not wired that way. I do get exactly where you coming from and understand it and agree with it, but I'm tired of feeling miserable around this team and it feels good to feel good about them. They're not going to fall so far that they aren't going to get a fantastic player, the top 15 in this draft is just too deep not to. So, I'm going to cheer for wins, be more than fine if they don't win, and just accept the chips where they fall because they are getting a top notch piece one way or the other. Gratitude is good for mental health. We have some amazing young talent, and still have a lottery pick in a deep draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: Did you miss the discussion which concluded that we were right to acquire a needed RHD while we had the chance. We've been waiting and waiting for a good young RHD, the Islanders pick was not necessarily a 2023 1st, etc. No guarantee Hronek will click but chances are good, he will do his best - as he heads into his RFA. Will the RFA carrot be enough to keep him focus and become a difference maker ? Edited March 7, 2023 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: Did you miss the discussion which concluded that we were right to acquire a needed RHD while we had the chance. We've been waiting and waiting for a good young RHD, the Islanders pick was not necessarily a 2023 1st, etc. I didn't see any previous discussion in the past year where anyone said we need a young RHD "but only with the following limitations:" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted March 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, CanucksJay said: They would not pass waivers. Didnt we just lose a bottom 6 guy and traded our tank comander for Bloom? No team has ever played a reg season game over the cap and I doubt the Canucks will be the first in NHL history. Myers and a 4th should be sufficient to offload after his bonus is paid. What team with capspace would not take Myers @ 1m? If a team says no, they are being anti competitive and that in intself needs to be fined as that goes against Bettman saying teams dont tank. If a team like the Yotes dont take Myers at 1m, they frankly dont deserve a franchise and that's when the league needs to address some major issues. Garland doesnt need retainment. Only ones would be OEL and Boeser Boeser has 2 years left... maybe they keep him this year OEL hopefully goes perma LTIR but if not, he would be the only one where we give up a big piece of the future to get rid of. That leaves a line up next year that looks like Kuz Petey Beau Podz Miller Boeser Hogz Karlsson Mikheyev Di Giuseppi Aman Joshua Hughes Severson Gavy Hronek OEL Johnasson Demko Silovs Not a contending team but can be a playoff team with good coaching. Still got 3.5m in cap space to have an extra forward and extra d Say the Canucks are in need of capspace in 2 years....Boeser is off the books. Maybe thats when they trade a 2026 1st rounder along with OEL to clear his cap space. That's like 15m there that comes off the books which is our current dead weight. Yet another iteration of “if we can drop many millions in cap we can build a team that ‘might’ be able to squeak into the playoffs.” 1. Dropping almost $17 million in cap with Pearson, Myers, Garland, Poolman isn’t just a “no problem” thing. The team has been trying to shed cap since they got hired and have utterly failed. Yet somehow in another cap strapped offseason you just figure we can do it no problem. If we could move those players, we would have moved those players. 2. We also have overages from this year to account for. 3. You are assuming we just happen to get two of the top D free agents on the market and both for under market value. Why on earth would they want to come to one of the worst performing teams in the league and make much less money for the privilege. 4. Even if we magically got those guys to sign those deals, we can’t do it anyways because we don’t have the cap space the season after that for the extra $6-7 million in raises that will be owed just to Petterson and Hronek. 5. Even with all the nonsense assumptions you made, that is a thin roster relying on a bunch of unproven rookies contributing in significant roles. 6. The goal is the Stanley Cup, not praying that a bunch of things go right just to get a couple of home playoff dates in a first round loss. Edited March 7, 2023 by Provost 1 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Kenny Powers said: Works for me. In the meantime, the posters who regularly jump in the PGT to whine are going on mute. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coho8888 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I know most of us here are hardcore fans that are more concerned about whether they will see us hoist a cup in their lifetimes. But there's also a part of me that wants to enjoy entertaining hockey and be able to watch players like Petey and Quinn in their prime. Down the stretch they have provided that. I've been going to more games in the later half of the season. Just got 3 lower bowl seats for the game tmmr. in the corner row 18 for a total of 149 bucks. Take advantage of this while you can. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 31 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: Then he traded a first and 2 seconds and destroyed any chance of cap space for win now moves at the end of a dead season. At this point, JR's words should be taken with a grain of salt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: That is what the GMs tell you to sell season tickets next year but these late season runs are just delaying the return to legitimate contender. ‘It is different if you are a team purposely built, and starting the climb up to respectability. We are haphazardly built, throw in latest first rounder every third year when we haven’t traded it away for shortcut, add some more UFAs to fix the gaps in the system created by trading away all of our pics and then change coach every other year for a coaching bump that is equivalent to a sugar high at the end of the year. The team and season ticket holders are ok, with the current strategy of chasing the mediocre middle cause it is still very profitable vs winning a Cup. Nothing will change and the gamble on Hronek for a capped out team proves that the strategy to build up a roster since Gillis has been the same: FA & trades for futures. Having a prospect pool is the hedge but Francesco wants the playoff $. I wonder who/what will be the cap casuality: selling low on Boeser, extending OEL's stay in the books through a buy out, trading premium picks to clean up cap mess (just like JB) and etc ? Been the same movie since 2013 and the downside to the current strategy of chasing the playoff $ or the mediocre middle, is what we are all seeing now. Anyways, the feel good meaningless wins to rise to the mediocre middle, in ANOTHER losing season will continue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 17 minutes ago, Provost said: Yet another iteration of “if we can drop many millions in cap we can build a team that ‘might’ be able to squeak into the playoffs.” 1. Dropping almost $17 million in cap with Pearson, Myers, Garland, Poolman isn’t just a “no problem” thing. The team has been trying to shed cap since they got hired and have utterly failed. Yet somehow in another cap strapped offseason you just figure we can do it no problem. If we could move those players, we would have moved those players. 2. We also have overages from this year to account for. 3. You are assuming we just happen to get two of the top D free agents on the market and both for under market value. Why on earth would they want to come to one of the worst performing teams in the league and make much less money for the privilege. 4. Even if we magically got those guys to sign those deals, we can’t do it anyways because we don’t have the cap space the season after that for the extra $6-7 million in raises that will be owed to Petterson and Hronek. 5. Even with all the nonsense assumptions you made, that is a thin roster relying on a bunch of unproven rookies contributing in significant roles. 6. The goal is the Stanley Cup, not praying that a bunch of things go right just to get a couple of home playoff dates in a first round loss. Regarding #6, I think that is the goal for the owner. They probably make 10 million dollars for three home games in a first round alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, jyu said: Regarding #6, I think that is the goal for the owner. They probably make 10 million dollars for three home games in a first round alone. Francesco said it in this article: https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/569255 Cause the playoff chase strategy, is really about chasing the playoff $ strategy, at whatever cost. Plus, Francesco is still profitable despite, the mediocre results. Edited March 7, 2023 by ShawnAntoski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, Provost said: Yet another iteration of “if we can drop many millions in cap we can build a team that ‘might’ be able to squeak into the playoffs.” 1. Dropping almost $17 million in cap with Pearson, Myers, Garland, Poolman isn’t just a “no problem” thing. The team has been trying to shed cap since they got hired and have utterly failed. Yet somehow in another cap strapped offseason you just figure we can do it no problem. If we could move those players, we would have moved those players. 2. We also have overages from this year to account for. 3. You are assuming we just happen to get two of the top D free agents on the market and both for under market value. Why on earth would they want to come to one of the worst performing teams in the league and make much less money for the privilege. 4. Even if we magically got those guys to sign those deals, we can’t do it anyways because we don’t have the cap space the season after that for the extra $6-7 million in raises that will be owed just to Petterson and Hronek. 5. Even with all the nonsense assumptions you made, that is a thin roster relying on a bunch of unproven rookies contributing in significant roles. 6. The goal is the Stanley Cup, not praying that a bunch of things go right just to get a couple of home playoff dates in a first round loss. All good points - but you miss the biggest x factor in a season: injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said: Francesco said it in this article: https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/569255 Cause the playoff chase strategy, is really about chasing the playoff $ strategy, at whatever cost. Do you go into business to lose money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 Appreciate long time fans don’t want to get their hopes up, only to see a similar result as before. It’s like refusing to date again after a breakup. It’s easier to be cynical, because either you’re right (this won’t work), or your team succeeds (which is what you really want). You’re protecting yourself from being disappointed again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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