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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:24 PM

Semin more skilled than parise is harder working??

If both guys said they would sign 6yrs at 6mill with any team in the league, 30 out of 30 teams would take parise


Unless if Mike Millbury was still a GM, then he'd take Semin. ;)
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

I wouldn't want Semin on my team for free.


Agreed.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:00 AM

Seems like a good move for new jersey if it happens I have a feeling kovalchuk will bring back the old semin
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:17 AM

Two places I see Semin fitting.

NJ and Detroit.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:46 AM

Kovie and Semin on the same line? I feel bad for the defense and goalie...
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:12 AM

I wouldn't want Semin on my team for free.


Why not? A highly skilled 50 to 60 point player would be useful for a Canucks team that lacked scoring at the end of their season for two straight years. I'd say a one or two year deal wouldn't be a bad idea, plus I am sure he has the same goal as most players ... to win a cup.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:38 AM

Would certainly be worth the risk. It's not on exageration when the "experts" say he is probably top 5 when it comes to talent in the NHL. He just needs motivation and the potential of being the STAR. Devils have Kovalchuk but the Caps had Ovi and he will always be number 1. Semin is a diva. Probably will get 6-6.5 a year.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 05:22 AM

Two places I see Semin fitting.

NJ and Detroit.


I think he could fit on a number of other teams as well, but these are the most likely teams in play for his services.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:07 AM

Parise is way overated, Semin is actually not that far off him (if not better). Simply put, Semin is far more skilled than Parise is harder working.


You say some very, very silly things.

Fun facts: Parise has scored at a higher pace than Semin over the last four years. His career high in points is 94, 10 higher than Semin's. His career high in goals? 45...five higher than Semin's. Aside from 10/11 Parise has played almost every game since his rookie season, while Semin has missed nine or more games a season more often than not. Parise scores more in the post-season. And Semin's PIMs are ridiculous: 450 penalty minutes in 469 games is terrible for a player as soft and lazy as Semin. Parise's PIMs: 177 in 502 games and he is an elite two-way winger. Parise has been obvious captain material his whole career. Semin is unlikely to ever captain an NHL team and may even bolt back to Russia.

So Parise is a better leader, a harder worker, more consistent, way more disciplined and usually puts up better numbers. He doesn't have a shot like Semin, but he scores more goals. You can argue that Semin hasn't been put in the same situations to succeed that Parise has, but that is being pretty generous to a guy who is frankly a big underachiever and doesn't have half the drive or grit that Parise has. Parise is going to do fine in the Western Conference. Semin is well advised to stay in the East, if he even stays in the league.

Not sure why you are hating on Parise (homerish anti-Wild-ism?) but comparing him to Semin only serves to underscore how much better the former is. I will bet money that Parise will do more for the Wild than Semin does for whoever he signs for.

That said, if there is a team that can turn Semin's attitude around you'd have to think it would be the Wings or Devils, but he would not come close to replacing what they have lost in Parise. There is a reason Parise was the most coveted FA this year and Semin is the leftovers (no puns here, please).

I'm also not sure that Semin is really a fit for the Devils, or really wants to be behind another superstar right-handed sniper LW...

Edited by Buttock, 09 July 2012 - 06:15 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:07 AM

You say some very, very silly things.

Fun facts: Parise has scored at a higher pace than Semin over the last four years. His career high in points is 94, 10 higher than Semin's. His career high in goals? 45...five higher than Semin's. Aside from 10/11 Parise has played almost every game since his rookie season, while Semin has missed nine or more games a season more often than not. Parise scores more in the post-season. And Semin's PIMs are ridiculous: 450 penalty minutes in 469 games is terrible for a player as soft and lazy as Semin. Parise's PIMs: 177 in 502 games and he is an elite two-way winger. Parise has been obvious captain material his whole career. Semin is unlikely to ever captain an NHL team and may even bolt back to Russia.

So Parise is a better leader, a harder worker, more consistent, way more disciplined and usually puts up better numbers. He doesn't have a shot like Semin, but he scores more goals. You can argue that Semin hasn't been put in the same situations to succeed that Parise has, but that is being pretty generous to a guy who is frankly a big underachiever and doesn't have half the drive or grit that Parise has. Parise is going to do fine in the Western Conference. Semin is well advised to stay in the East, if he even stays in the league.

Not sure why you are hating on Parise (homerish anti-Wild-ism?) but comparing him to Semin only serves to underscore how much better the former is. I will bet money that Parise will do more for the Wild than Semin does for whoever he signs for.

That said, if there is a team that can turn Semin's attitude around you'd have to think it would be the Wings or Devils, but he would not come close to replacing what they have lost in Parise. There is a reason Parise was the most coveted FA this year and Semin is the leftovers (no puns here, please).

I'm also not sure that Semin is really a fit for the Devils, or really wants to be behind another superstar right-handed sniper LW...


Firstly, no one on CDC has the right to comment on an NHL player's drive, motivation or attitude. Not even commentators or sports writers have that right, because no one but the players and coaches knows what goes on in the locker room. People called out Semin for being a "locker room cancer" and not playing well in the big games is just unfair, because he was one of the best forwards this last off-season and carried the Capitals - without him they wouldn't have made a push at all.

Secondly, you're either really bad at maths or just plain ignorant so I'm going to dumb this down for you and walk you through it nice and slowly. Semin trumps Parise in just about every offensive stat:

Semin has scored 197 goals in 469 games played, that's 0.42 goals a game (average of a 35 goal pace per season)
Parise has scored 194 goals in 502 games played, that's 0.38 goals a game.

Semin has scored 408 points in 469 games played (0.87 points per game)
Parise has scored 410 points in 502 games played (0.82 points per game)

Already even you can see - Semin is quite simply a better scorer than Parise, there's no denying it. More importantly, Semin put up these numbers despite playing a lesser offensive role behind the stars like Backstrom and Ovechkin (he rarely played on their line and was often on the 2nd line). Meanwhile Parise was enjoying 1st line time and top unit powerplay opportunities. Despite that, Semin's powerplay points are far greater than Parise's.

Now defensively for those of you who think Semin's downfall is "poor defensive play" and laziness in his own zone, Semin is a career +65. What's most impressive is that he really fixed up his game after his 3rd season in the NHL and is a rediculous +92 in his last 277 games. Meanwhile Parise is a career +57, but has been inconsistent his whole career. More importantly, Parise is backed by one of the best defensive teams in the league with the best goaltender to play the game, whereas Semin has had to put up these great +/- numbers despite a brutal defensive system and leaky goaltending.

Based on all of that it is fairly easy to see that Semin is hands-down, by far the more skilled player. Watching the games and watching his skillset helps, but the numbers really prove it.

All Parise has over Semin is his physicality, hardworking nature and isn't injured as much, but in terms of offence and defence the Devils would be better off with Semin. Sure Parise is a better "leader" it seems, but again we have no idea what goes on in the locker room and who is the one who stands up and gives inspiring speeches - for all we know the 3rd pairing defenceman could be giving the inspiring talk before overtime.

As for the Parise "hate", I am not hating on him at all. He is a bonified top-line winger in the NHL, but the love everyone gives him is rediculous. He is nowhere near close to what his cap hit is showing up at over 7 million, and quite frankly isn't a superstar in the league. He had 1 great 45 goal season, but apart from that has been averaging around 65 points over 4 seasons. This is just free agency hype, don't buy into it completely and try to keep some perspective around the league.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:14 AM

If Radulov is making 9 Million in the KHL, Semin could easily get 7 million in the KHL
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:29 AM

Kovie and Semin on the same line? I feel bad for the defense and goalie...


Actually Kovy's defensive game has improved dramatically since he went to the Devils. He backchecks and makes good plays in his own zone. He's not a liability at all anymore.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 07:52 AM

Semin has scored 197 goals in 469 games played, that's 0.42 goals a game (average of a 35 goal pace per season)
Parise has scored 194 goals in 502 games played, that's 0.38 goals a game.

Semin has scored 408 points in 469 games played (0.87 points per game)
Parise has scored 410 points in 502 games played (0.82 points per game)



Take out Parise's rookie season where he only scored 14 goals in 82 games and the stats look a little different and are more relevant to what kind of players these guys are now, don't you think? Parise is a more consistent scorer especially more recently. Parise's goals over the last six years: 31, 3, 38, 45, 32, 31. Consistent 30 goal scorer and 82 game player except for one basically lost season. Semin's goals over the last six years: 21, 28, 40, 34, 26, 38. Streaky and injury prone.

Averaging 65 points eh? Parise's points over the last six years: 69, 6, 82, 94, 65, 62. Go ahead and average that into 65 if you want. Semin's points over the last six years: 54, 54, 84, 79, 42, 73...and you think Semin is more consistent??

Now defensively for those of you who think Semin's downfall is "poor defensive play" and laziness in his own zone, Semin is a career +65. What's most impressive is that he really fixed up his game after his 3rd season in the NHL and is a rediculous +92 in his last 277 games. Meanwhile Parise is a career +57, but has been inconsistent his whole career. More importantly, Parise is backed by one of the best defensive teams in the league with the best goaltender to play the game, whereas Semin has had to put up these great +/- numbers despite a brutal defensive system and leaky goaltending.



You're the one who is either clueless or new to following this kind of thing. +/- doesn't really measure defensive ability. In fact it is a completely useless statistic in isolation when comparing two players on the same team, let alone on different teams. It doesn't make a distinction between the plus you get for being on the ice when a goal is scored and the minus you get for being on the ice when scored against, and it doesn't account for the different roles players play. And it doesn't take into account that entire teams will have different +/- based on their even strength goal differential, where the Caps have been pretty good the past few seasons. Take a look at the +/- for Capitals in general. Anybody who watches Caps games knows he's a floater, come on, give me a break. Anybody who watches these two players regularly will tell you Parise is better and it's not close, though many think Semin has the potential to put up much bigger numbers than he has, because he's an underachiever!

As for the Parise "hate", I am not hating on him at all. He is a bonified top-line winger in the NHL, but the love everyone gives him is rediculous. He is nowhere near close to what his cap hit is showing up at over 7 million, and quite frankly isn't a superstar in the league. He had 1 great 45 goal season, but apart from that has been averaging around 65 points over 4 seasons. This is just free agency hype, don't buy into it completely and try to keep some perspective around the league.



You are a silly person. Care to hazard a guess why the same hype does not exist around Semin? It's probably because most NHL GM's and pro scouts know something you obviously don't.

I mean how telling is it that Detroit and New Jersey are interested Semin because they failed to sign Parise? You and Mama Semin are maybe the only people on the planet who think he is a better player.

Parise is very much a superstar. He is a very special player who is gifted offensively, great in all three zones, and every bit as effective away from the puck as he is with it. He is a born winner and Minnesotans should be and are rightly stoked about this signing.

Edited by Buttock, 09 July 2012 - 08:20 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:16 AM

From what I read yesterday:

Here's another possible reason Alexander Semin hasn't signed with an NHL team yet, one that has nothing to do with the Russian forward's much-maligned work ethic.

"Pretty obvious what's going on with Semin," Slava Malamud, foreign correspondent for Russia's Sport-Express and an NHL.com contributor, tweeted late Saturday. "He has a KHL offer (from CSKA), wants the same or more in the NHL, not getting it. Won't get it."

He won't if the still-unconfirmed terms Malamund cited in a subsequent tweet -- three years, $30 million -- are anywhere close to accurate.

- Doug McIntyre

I doubt that any NHL team will match an offer of that Money, and It seems that Semin is about the C.R.E.A.M. get the money dolla dolla bill y'all





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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:32 AM

I agree that Parise is overrated, but that doesn't mean Semin will fully replace him. It might not happen this way, but i can see Semin infecting Kovy with apathy just like he's infected OV with apathy, post-big contract.

Semin's qualcomp will also likely go up. NJ doesn't shelter their stars as much as Washington has over the years.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:37 AM

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Take out Parise's rookie season where he only scored 14 goals in 82 games and the stats look a little different and are more relevant to what kind of players these guys are now, don't you think? Parise is a more consistent scorer especially more recently. Parise's goals over the last six years: 31, 3, 38, 45, 32, 31. Consistent 30 goal scorer and 82 game player except for one basically lost season. Semin's goals over the last six years: 21, 28, 40, 34, 26, 38. Streaky and injury prone.

I did the calculations
Parise averages 0.897
Semin averages 0.870

Parise goals average 0.427
Semin goals average 0.420

without semin's last season since parise's worst season was taken out

Semin's average in points 0.900
Semin's goals average 0.448

see how big of a difference one season makes

I am pretty sure that he can replace Parise's point totals in the regular season but not the playoffs plus they will get him for less than a 100 mill I bet
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:47 AM

You can't exactly compare taking Semin's worst season and Parise's worst (full) season out, because one was six years ago, his rookie year, whereas Semin's most recent season (the one in which DownUndaCanuck said he carried his team?) is more likely to say something about what kind of player he is today. Semin broke out in his rookie year but his career is streaky. Parise has been a consistent 30 goal scorer since his 2nd year in the league and his highs are higher than Semin's.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:02 AM

You can't exactly compare taking Semin's worst season and Parise's worst (full) season out, because one was six years ago, his rookie year, whereas Semin's most recent season (the one in which DownUndaCanuck said he carried his team?) is more likely to say something about what kind of player he is today. Semin broke out in his rookie year but his career is streaky. Parise has been a consistent 30 goal scorer since his 2nd year in the league and his highs are higher than Semin's.


calm down man i was showing how stats are easily manipulated Parise is better but Semin isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be

It doesn't mean what he is today he could have just have an off season

sorry if I offended you

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:26 AM

There are unconfirmed reports yesterday that CSKA offered 3 years and $30 million to Alexander Semin.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

calm down man i was showing how stats are easily manipulated Parise is better but Semin isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be

It doesn't mean what he is today he could have just have an off season

sorry if I offended you


I'm not offended and I agree Semin gets a bad rap somewhat unfairly - or, actually, it would be more accurate to say that other Capitals seem to get a free pass that Semin doesn't just because he's the most immediately obvious example of the problem there (IMO). I just can't believe we're having a Semin vs. Parise talk.

For the record I take Parise over Patrick Kane, Kovalchuk, Gaborik, Daniel Sedin and almost any other LW, not just Semin.

Edited by Buttock, 09 July 2012 - 09:30 AM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:41 AM

Unless if Mike Millbury was still a GM, then he'd take Semin. ;)

Millbury loves to pay for Semin!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:28 PM

You are a moron, Semin is a floater who tries only when it is in his interest. Parise has not only more heart and fore checks like a mofo, he is more skilled and has strung together far more impressive stats then Semin. Semin Sucks its why he has not gotten a contract no one wants to shell out money for this soul sucker.


You are wrong. Semin has better stats than Parise over their careers. Semin even has a better +/-.

They have nearly identical numbers but Semin has attained them in about 30 less games. Their goals , assists and points are almost the same. Both players have nearly the same play off numbers as well.

Semin is one of the most skilled players in the world. Parise is not more skilled than Semin.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 12:47 PM

Kovie and Semin on the same line? I feel bad for the defense and goalie...


Kovalchuk is an excellent 2-way player and one of the more complete players in the league. He plays in all special teams and all situations.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:11 PM

they need someone who can replace parise and they don't want to trade for nash or ryan so semin is the next best option for them but I would try to give him a 5year deal for 3.25million per year if doan doesn't sigh here


IF he was that cheap, the Canucks would've signed him already to replace Raymond.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:17 PM

Two places I see Semin fitting.

NJ and Detroit.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:28 PM

Kovalchuk is an excellent 2-way player and one of the more complete players in the league. He plays in all special teams and all situations.


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Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:17 PM

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Take out Parise's rookie season where he only scored 14 goals in 82 games and the stats look a little different and are more relevant to what kind of players these guys are now, don't you think? Parise is a more consistent scorer especially more recently. Parise's goals over the last six years: 31, 3, 38, 45, 32, 31. Consistent 30 goal scorer and 82 game player except for one basically lost season. Semin's goals over the last six years: 21, 28, 40, 34, 26, 38. Streaky and injury prone.

Averaging 65 points eh? Parise's points over the last six years: 69, 6, 82, 94, 65, 62. Go ahead and average that into 65 if you want. Semin's points over the last six years: 54, 54, 84, 79, 42, 73...and you think Semin is more consistent??



You're the one who is either clueless or new to following this kind of thing. +/- doesn't really measure defensive ability. In fact it is a completely useless statistic in isolation when comparing two players on the same team, let alone on different teams. It doesn't make a distinction between the plus you get for being on the ice when a goal is scored and the minus you get for being on the ice when scored against, and it doesn't account for the different roles players play. And it doesn't take into account that entire teams will have different +/- based on their even strength goal differential, where the Caps have been pretty good the past few seasons. Take a look at the +/- for Capitals in general. Anybody who watches Caps games knows he's a floater, come on, give me a break. Anybody who watches these two players regularly will tell you Parise is better and it's not close, though many think Semin has the potential to put up much bigger numbers than he has, because he's an underachiever!

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You are a silly person. Care to hazard a guess why the same hype does not exist around Semin? It's probably because most NHL GM's and pro scouts know something you obviously don't.

I mean how telling is it that Detroit and New Jersey are interested Semin because they failed to sign Parise? You and Mama Semin are maybe the only people on the planet who think he is a better player.

Parise is very much a superstar. He is a very special player who is gifted offensively, great in all three zones, and every bit as effective away from the puck as he is with it. He is a born winner and Minnesotans should be and are rightly stoked about this signing.


Sorry but this isn't a fantasy world where you can just ignore a season because it goes against your argument. Over the course of both their careers, Semin has produced more goals and points per game, period. I could say the same thing - take out Parise's 40-goal season and he suddenly doesn't look that great. Semin > Parise in terms of offence and there's no argument, it's plain in black and white. Semin's shot is far superior to Parise's, his passing abilities are much better, he's a smarter offensive player and he has better vision when he's on the ice whereas Parise is very much a straight-line type of player who takes it hard to the net. Different types of forwards, but Semin is more successful.

In terms of consistency yes, Parise has been more consistent but Semin has been bumped around the lineup due to injuries as well as the play of Ovechkin and Backstrom - it's not just when he's playing badly. Meanwhile Parise really has no competition on a relatively thin New Jersey offence so is constantly on the top line no matter how badly he plays. If Semin had the faith of his coaches and was their team's lone star he'd be able to bump his slumps a lot easier because he'd be on the top line no matter how he played during certain stretches.

Again you aren't taking into consideration POINTS PER GAME. This is like saying Lemieux is not really one of the top-3 players in the league because he didn't really rack up that many points. Don't compare a 54 point season to a 69 point season unless you show how many games played. Again, offensively and even per-ice time Semin produces more points than Parise. Just a bit of proof to that, last season Semin averaged 16:47 a game, Parise was up at 21:29 minutes. You extrapolate an extra 5 minutes per game and Semin's offensive production per minute is far superior to Parise's.

Now as for defence, here are the stats of the last few seasons:

Parise
On the ice for (a team leading, disgustingly) 82 goals against and 100 goals for in 2012
On the ice for 49 goals against and 110 goals for in 2010
44 against, 114 for in 2009
45 against, 90 for in 2008
57 against, 80 for in 2007

Semin
50 against, 78 for in 2012
33 against, 74 for in 2011
46 against, 125 for in 2010
45 against, 110 for in 2009
49 against, 68 for in 2008
61 against, 107 for in 2007

These numbers are much more telling than a simple +/- glance, but they still support my argument. Semin is better than Parise defensively. They were fairly similar around 2009 but just look at last season - Parise was on the ice for 1 goal against PER GAME, worse than Kovalchuk (you blame him for being lazy defensively) and 39th in the NHL overall which is including all the terrible defensive teams like the Blue Jackets, Leafs, Oilers etc.

Once again, I never said Semin is a better overall player - it very much depends on what your team needs at the time. If you need a more physical powerforward you'd go after Parise, if you want a skilled star you go after Semin. He fits well into a top-6 in Minnesota that really lacks a good powerforward and has skill to burn in Koivu, Setoguchi, Heatley etc. Still, people don't understand that Parise is NOT a superstar, he is NOT great in all areas of the ice (as I have just showed above) and he does NOT deserve 7+ million, this was a typical free agency frenzy signing and it'll hurt the Wild later on when this contract (and Suter's) handicaps them. The reason the Devils and Red Wings didn't land Parise is because they're not throwing rediculous amounts of money at him and have 2 of the smartest GM's in the game.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 07:31 AM

That would be interesting, but alot of teams have.

Imagine.

Kovalchuk - Zajac - Semin

They should just trade and get a Russian center too.


I can imagine that line all right. I'd put their over/under for plus minus at -100.
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:34 AM

You are wrong. Semin has better stats than Parise over their careers. Semin even has a better +/-.

They have nearly identical numbers but Semin has attained them in about 30 less games. Their goals , assists and points are almost the same. Both players have nearly the same play off numbers as well.

Semin is one of the most skilled players in the world. Parise is not more skilled than Semin.

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O man I love how you defend semin by stating he is more injury prone, awesome. Semin does not back check, semin does not hit people, semin sucks in the playoffs. He had one Playoff were he was point a game and that was a statistical fluke. Skill comes from two sides of the ice as well. The fact is no one in their right fracking mind would take semin over parise. Joe Juneau (102 points) has scored more points in a single season then parise or semin, that is how much I validate arbitrary statistics. Nick Lidstrom was a minus player once in his career as well, plus minus is a silly stat as well. No one in their right mind would say semin is better defensively then Parise, no one!

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 12:51 PM

Firstly, no one on CDC has the right to comment on an NHL player's drive, motivation or attitude. Not even commentators or sports writers have that right, because no one but the players and coaches knows what goes on in the locker room. People called out Semin for being a "locker room cancer" and not playing well in the big games is just unfair, because he was one of the best forwards this last off-season and carried the Capitals - without him they wouldn't have made a push at all.

Secondly, you're either really bad at maths or just plain ignorant so I'm going to dumb this down for you and walk you through it nice and slowly. Semin trumps Parise in just about every offensive stat:

Semin has scored 197 goals in 469 games played, that's 0.42 goals a game (average of a 35 goal pace per season)
Parise has scored 194 goals in 502 games played, that's 0.38 goals a game.

Semin has scored 408 points in 469 games played (0.87 points per game)
Parise has scored 410 points in 502 games played (0.82 points per game)

Already even you can see - Semin is quite simply a better scorer than Parise, there's no denying it. More importantly, Semin put up these numbers despite playing a lesser offensive role behind the stars like Backstrom and Ovechkin (he rarely played on their line and was often on the 2nd line). Meanwhile Parise was enjoying 1st line time and top unit powerplay opportunities. Despite that, Semin's powerplay points are far greater than Parise's.

Now defensively for those of you who think Semin's downfall is "poor defensive play" and laziness in his own zone, Semin is a career +65. What's most impressive is that he really fixed up his game after his 3rd season in the NHL and is a rediculous +92 in his last 277 games. Meanwhile Parise is a career +57, but has been inconsistent his whole career. More importantly, Parise is backed by one of the best defensive teams in the league with the best goaltender to play the game, whereas Semin has had to put up these great +/- numbers despite a brutal defensive system and leaky goaltending.

Based on all of that it is fairly easy to see that Semin is hands-down, by far the more skilled player. Watching the games and watching his skillset helps, but the numbers really prove it.

All Parise has over Semin is his physicality, hardworking nature and isn't injured as much, but in terms of offence and defence the Devils would be better off with Semin. Sure Parise is a better "leader" it seems, but again we have no idea what goes on in the locker room and who is the one who stands up and gives inspiring speeches - for all we know the 3rd pairing defenceman could be giving the inspiring talk before overtime.

As for the Parise "hate", I am not hating on him at all. He is a bonified top-line winger in the NHL, but the love everyone gives him is rediculous. He is nowhere near close to what his cap hit is showing up at over 7 million, and quite frankly isn't a superstar in the league. He had 1 great 45 goal season, but apart from that has been averaging around 65 points over 4 seasons. This is just free agency hype, don't buy into it completely and try to keep some perspective around the league.


He's a career + 35 because he was playing with Ovechkin and Backstrom, Burrows is in the top 3 in +/- over the last few years? And it's cause of the Twins, and that's the same case with Semin.
Don't kid yourself Parise > Semin.

Yes in raw talent Semin is better, but Parise is better every other way, in addition to being incredibly skilled.

And I believe we do have the right to question Semin's drive, if people & Media here can constantly hate on & Critize Luongo for every reason (and undeservedly so most times), then we have the right to critize Semin who really isn't much of a team player.


I agree Semin's skill is higher and you have the stats to boot, but every GM would take Parise over Semin.

that's why Semin was sitting on the back burner of free agency while Parise was getting $100 Million dollar contract's thrown at him like it's 5$.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 10 July 2012 - 12:53 PM.

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