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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

Had the Canucks mustered a win in game 7 Lu likely could have received the conn smythe. As he won the cup, nobody remembers that Thomas got lit up badly vs the Bolts. The difference is his team was able to outscore their problems in that series.


Not a chance was Luongo even considered for the ConnSmyth.........they don't give that trophy to goalies who get shelled in 3 out fot eh 7 games............it was TT's regardess of who came out on top
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 12:14 PM

Not a chance was Luongo even considered for the ConnSmyth.........they don't give that trophy to goalies who get shelled in 3 out fot eh 7 games............it was TT's regardess of who came out on top

It's my understanding that the entirety of the playoffs is considered, not just the finals.
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It bugs me when people pull out the gold medal for an example... Luongo only had to outplay Brodeur.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:01 PM

It's my understanding that the entirety of the playoffs is considered, not just the finals.

That is correct. However, Thomas stood on his head for the entire playoffs.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:04 PM

Not a chance was Luongo even considered for the ConnSmyth.........they don't give that trophy to goalies who get shelled in 3 out fot eh 7 games............it was TT's regardess of who came out on top


Um if we won game 7 and Luongo got another shutout he definitely would have been in the running for the Conn Smythe, that would have been 3 shutouts in the finals alone.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:12 PM

@JasonGarrison52: Dano-mite is in Vancity! We need the missing piece.. @ScottieUpshall http://t.co/Fh2b5GDd

Do want

If Doan signs elsewhere, I like Upshall's game - he's never seemed to get any traction in the NHL, but could be quite a good risk if he ever manages to play a full season. I wouldn't mind taking a risk on him - he is a right wing, physical and skilled - and his cap hit of 3.5 million should make him a relative add in/ salary dump. I'd rather take him as a third piece in a deal than get Versteeg as the priniciple - something like Upshall, Matthias and Petrovic might make sense if Doan goes elsewhere.
I like the idea of Bjugstad, but I think his value is getting blown out of proportion - who knows, Gaunce could turn out to be the better player.

And Upshall almost put the Panthers into the 2nd round too.


It is interesting that Garrison is recruiting Upshall wile Doan is in town at the same time since Upshall happens to have a NTC/NMC and he'd have to waive the NTC portion to come here.

Well, if Upshall is the cap dump coming back this way (that contract is immovable w/ both a NTC & a NMC), then I'd expect Bjugstad to also be coming this way with Raymond going the other way (expiring contract not unlike Samuelsson/Sturm in the Booth deal) and I don't think it's Doan or Upshall. I think the likelihood of accepting Upshall's immovable $3.5m cap hit means Doan is in a Canuck uniform since the majority of Upshall's success came from playing on a line with Doan while in Phoenix.

However, there is this little issue to get over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPCbol-sisM

I suppose Kesler & Backes got over that incident enough to play well in a two week tournament, but can Upshall (a guy with a bad reputation himself) & Kesler co-exist for three years without that mutual hate creating a dressing room nightmare (especially since trading for Upshall would mean the end of Burrows' or Higgins' - or maybe even both - tenures in a Canuck uniform)?

I guess there's always the expected new 1-time amnesty clause in the next CBA...

Edit: Misunderstood the tweet. Corrected the thought process.

Edited by Millerdraft, 02 August 2012 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:34 PM

That is correct. However, Thomas stood on his head for the entire playoffs.


Really?
  • May 14: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 2
  • May 17: Boston 6 - Tampa Bay 5
  • May 19: Boston 2 - Tampa Bay 0
  • May 21: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 3
  • May 23: Boston 3 - Tampa Bay 1
  • May 25: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 4
  • May 27: Boston 1 - Tampa Bay 0
  • As others have pointed out Thomas had a very average series against Tampa - up until the finals I would argue Luo was the better goalie.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:45 PM

That is correct. However, Thomas stood on his head for the entire playoffs.

Gah... No he didn't. This is exactly what I was saying earlier in the quote train. Timmy allowed 4 or more goals against in 4 of the games during the ECF. In that series he allowed only one fewer goals against than Lu did in the Boston series. The difference was that the leagues most potent offence couldn't bail out Lu the way the B's bailed out Timmy.
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It bugs me when people pull out the gold medal for an example... Luongo only had to outplay Brodeur.


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Posted 02 August 2012 - 01:50 PM

Really?

  • May 14: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 2
  • May 17: Boston 6 - Tampa Bay 5
  • May 19: Boston 2 - Tampa Bay 0
  • May 21: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 3
  • May 23: Boston 3 - Tampa Bay 1
  • May 25: Tampa Bay 5 - Boston 4
  • May 27: Boston 1 - Tampa Bay 0
  • As others have pointed out Thomas had a very average series against Tampa - up until the finals I would argue Luo was the better goalie.


And this is why thge people who blame Lu for us losing are moronic. Boston scored 23 goals in 7 games against us, Tampa scored 21 against Boston which is not much better at all. Difference was Tim Thomas got some offensive support!
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 02:49 PM

And this is why thge people who blame Lu for us losing are moronic. Boston scored 23 goals in 7 games against us, Tampa scored 21 against Boston which is not much better at all. Difference was Tim Thomas got some offensive support!


If the Bruins scored 8 goals in total in the Tampa Bay series, they do not win that series. If the Canucks score 21 goals in the SCF, there's a pretty good chance we win the Cup.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:23 PM

I sure hope Luongo is gone before the season starts. Its not that he would not be very good insurance, but the distraction it would cause would not be good for the chemistry in the dressing room. I believe the team needs the opportunity to embrace schneider as the teams #1 and focus on the new team direction.


Schneider is Luongo's insurance. Not the other way around.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:29 PM

It is interesting that Garrison is recruiting Upshall wile Doan is in town at the same time since Upshall happens to have a NTC/NMC and he'd have to waive the NTC portion to come here.

Well, if Upshall is the cap dump coming back this way (that contract is immovable w/ both a NTC & a NMC), then I'd expect Bjugstad to also be coming this way with Raymond going the other way (expiring contract not unlike Samuelsson/Sturm in the Booth deal) and I don't think it's Doan or Upshall. I think the likelihood of accepting Upshall's immovable $3.5m cap hit means Doan is in a Canuck uniform since the majority of Upshall's success came from playing on a line with Doan while in Phoenix.

However, there is this little issue to get over:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPCbol-sisM

I suppose Kesler & Backes got over that incident enough to play well in a two week tournament, but can Upshall (a guy with a bad reputation himself) & Kesler co-exist for three years without that mutual hate creating a dressing room nightmare (especially since trading for Upshall would mean the end of Burrows' or Higgins' - or maybe even both - tenures in a Canuck uniform)?

I guess there's always the expected new 1-time amnesty clause in the next CBA...

Edit: Misunderstood the tweet. Corrected the thought process.


If Kesler has ANY problem with ANY of Gillis' moves which make the Canucks better, Kesler ought to shut up or get shipped out himself.

I've been thinking this guy has a really bad attitude. The list of people "he cannot stand" grows longer every year.

If Kesler is unhappy because some guys comes into the locker room, send him packing.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

Schneider is Luongo's insurance. Not the other way around.

Schneider is Luongo's insurance. Not the other way around.

and thats why they are trading Lou...good point !!
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:12 PM

Whats this I've been hearing about Gaunce being discussed as a part of the trade?
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

Whats this I've been hearing about Gaunce being discussed as a part of the trade?


Where'd you hear that
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:27 PM

Where'd you hear that


Someone on HF was saying they heard that Gaunce was being discussed as being part of the Canucks package in a Bjugstad trade.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 07:35 PM

Someone on HF was saying they heard that Gaunce was being discussed as being part of the Canucks package in a Bjugstad trade.


Hmmm weird, I wonder if they want Schroeder + Gaunce or just replace Schroeder with Gaunce in the trade, either way, I wouldn't do that unless they're sending more than Bjugstad
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

If this were a movie, we're in time lapse at about 30,000 FPS played at regular 29.97 FPS.

Scene 42, take 1: The Canucks are just about to get violently raped, losing their number one star goalie, their number one pick in 2012 and possibly more, for ONE nobody.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:26 PM

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:31 PM

If this were a movie, we're in time lapse at about 30,000 FPS played at regular 29.97 FPS.

Scene 42, take 1: The Canucks are just about to get violently raped, losing their number one star goalie, their number one pick in 2012 and possibly more, for ONE nobody.


Not happening. MG isn't known for making great trades but even he would know better than to do something so stupid.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 08:46 PM

If this were a movie, we're in time lapse at about 30,000 FPS played at regular 29.97 FPS.

Scene 42, take 1: The Canucks are just about to get violently raped, losing their number one star goalie, their number one pick in 2012 and possibly more, for ONE nobody.


Just shut up and leave.

you, and I, and everyone including gillis himself have no idea what its going to cost to get what in the trade with luongo until it is done. How can you openly criticize something that has not even happened yet? Do you have a ???? time machine?

Seriously.. Just leave..
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:31 PM

Gillman on CKNW right now: says not going to be rushed on Luongo. It's still not September yet.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:35 PM

Theodore in 11/12: $1.5M. 53 GP. 2.46 GAA. .917 SV%
Luongo in 11/12: $5.33M. 55 GP. 2.41 GAA. .919 SV%.

I keep coming back to this. How does Gillis convince a budget-oriented team to spend way more on very comparable (current) goaltending stats, and expect to get anything valuable in return? For $1.5M, why wouldn't Tallon give Theodore 55-60 starts next year?
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:54 PM

Theodore in 11/12: $1.5M. 53 GP. 2.46 GAA. .917 SV%
Luongo in 11/12: $5.33M. 55 GP. 2.41 GAA. .919 SV%.

I keep coming back to this. How does Gillis convince a budget-oriented team to spend way more on very comparable (current) goaltending stats, and expect to get anything valuable in return? For $1.5M, why wouldn't Tallon give Theodore 55-60 starts next year?


He doesn't have to convince him. Tallons at the table, looking at a $40+million contract, cause he's more than certain Luongo brings more value than his current players. That value might be in the form of stats or ticket sales, but more value overall. Tallons not running the Rangers. He's running a budget conscious smaller market business. He doesn't have the luxury of taking a risk here, and Gillis knows it - that's his leverage.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 09:58 PM

Theodore in 11/12: $1.5M. 53 GP. 2.46 GAA. .917 SV%
Luongo in 11/12: $5.33M. 55 GP. 2.41 GAA. .919 SV%.

I keep coming back to this. How does Gillis convince a budget-oriented team to spend way more on very comparable (current) goaltending stats, and expect to get anything valuable in return? For $1.5M, why wouldn't Tallon give Theodore 55-60 starts next year ?


Lu in Florida is likely to be much better than he has been in Van for the most part because he will be with his family.
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 10:53 PM

Theodore in 11/12: $1.5M. 53 GP. 2.46 GAA. .917 SV%
Luongo in 11/12: $5.33M. 55 GP. 2.41 GAA. .919 SV%.

I keep coming back to this. How does Gillis convince a budget-oriented team to spend way more on very comparable (current) goaltending stats, and expect to get anything valuable in return? For $1.5M, why wouldn't Tallon give Theodore 55-60 starts next year?


I have said this over and over and over! This trade makes no sense at all!

Why make holes to fill holes you don't have! Hockey wise it's not wise at all!

I am thinking that GMDT is being forced by upper management and ownership. They may see Luongo as more of a ticket draw than a drastic improvement on the hockey clubs performance.

I just can't see how this will help the Panthers as a team full of youth bursting with potential.

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:04 PM

Whats this I've been hearing about Gaunce being discussed as a part of the trade?


"@InsiderLegit: Tallon wants Luongo, Gaunce/Schroeder, Raymond/Hansen and possibly a pick for Matthias and Bjugstad."

"@InsiderLegit: I am hearing the Canucks are willing to offer Luongo,Raymond, Schroeder. Florida wants Hansen though.We will see and I will keep you updated"

This guy has been tweeting like he was one of Gillis' chins, hearing every detail in the negotiations

He is a poor mans hockeyy insiderr

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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:09 PM

Id give Luongo, Schroeder, Raymond, 2nd. for Bjugstad and Matthias
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Posted 02 August 2012 - 11:21 PM

Id give Luongo, Schroeder, Raymond, 2nd. for Bjugstad and Matthias


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