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Healthy Higgins Vs. Healthy Raymond

  1. Raymond (26 votes [18.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.18%

  2. Higgins (117 votes [81.82%])

    Percentage of vote: 81.82%

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#31 DIBdaQUIB

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:03 PM

HIggins plays grown up hockey. He is grittier, stronger on the puck and hits. He also has decent offensive skills. Raymond is fast with average offensive skill. To be a pure finnesse player in the NHL, you have to be one of the best offensive talents in the league and Raymond isn't.

i'll take Higgins.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

I take healthy Higgins. Even before his injury, Raymond wasn't as effective of a player as Higgins is. I think when both are on their game they can produce similar numbers, but Higgins is far more likely to actually be on his game. When Higgins was with Montreal he managed 3 20+goal seasons, including a career high of 27, higher than Raymond's 25. Ever since he came to Vancouver he seems to have his form back and in a full 82 game season last year he could easily have reached 20. Plus he's much more physical than Raymond, is stronger on the forecheck, and battles hard in the corners.

Edited by etsen3, 16 August 2012 - 06:06 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

Beast mode Mayray is better than beast mode Higgy. As far as the "Raymond can't play against physical teams in the playoffs", he was one of our better players vs Boston and LA. Higgins was really bad vs the Kings this year.

Edited by CanucksSayEh, 16 August 2012 - 06:16 PM.

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#34 Dave Bolland

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

Injured Higgins > Healthy Raymond
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:19 PM

He had a back injury


His play was on a steady decline before that injury
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:23 PM

If it was just healthy Higgins vs healthy Raymond i would choose Higgins because he is more consistent and plays with more grit.

But if we are talking about Higgins on his game vs Raymond on his game I would probably go with Raymond. I feel that his speed makes him a lot more dangerous and creates more scoring opportunities to for our team. I'd say when both players are on their game, Raymond is a better top 6 forward while Higgins would be a better 3rd line forward....
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:26 PM

If they're both healthy, Higgins. If they're both playing at their best., Raymond.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

In general it would be Mr. Versatility Chris Higgins. Raymond definitely has higher upside but when he doesn't play up to it he's not that good, whereas Chris can fit wherever in the lineup and contribute.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:37 PM

His play was on a steady decline before that injury

He had a thumb injury
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:39 PM

Might as make a post like "Salo vs Rome"
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:42 PM

HAHAHA GOOD JOB RAYMOND^

so im with raymond



And now?



Realistically, I take Higgins for his overall play and consistency.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:44 PM

If they're both healthy, Higgins. If they're both playing at their best., Raymond.


Man it's been so long since Raymond has been at his best
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:46 PM

I'd take an injured Higgins over a healthy Raymond.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

I voted for Higgy..but it was a lot closer then I would care to admit...Raymond had killer speed and hands like rocks...but you CAN teach and eventually he would have improved his finish....now he is just trying to get his speed back
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_cjCfPPb8

And now?



Realistically, I take Higgins for his overall play and consistency.

that was kinda dirty. I don't like dirty. Raymond on his game is better offensively than Higgins but Higgins consistency.

Edited by Figeroux, 16 August 2012 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:50 PM

If they're both healthy, Higgins. If they're both playing at their best., Raymond.



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Posted 16 August 2012 - 06:54 PM

A healthy Higgins becuase a healthy Raymond is useless if he is just on the perimeter.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:14 PM

Well....really haven't seen enough of each.....is Raymond's ""year" a flash in the pan?

Higgy I dunno hasn't been here that long....

All I've seen so far and this is significant; is Higgins has only made every line he had played on a better line.

Unfortunately it's the complete opposite with mayray.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:18 PM

I like how it was Higgins with a goal (assist by Raymond), and it was Raymond with a goal (assist by Higgins) in that San Jose playoff game..
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:34 PM

I chose Raymond just so I could be the one person who chose him, BUT I WASN'T! 8 other people actually chose Raymond!? I can't believe it.

So just for the record, Higgins by far... I don't even need to explain why because I think it's obvious, but I guess not since some people actually chose Raymond :picard:
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:38 PM

People forget how good Raymond was in his heyday.

To answer the question:
Offensively: Raymond
Defensively: Higgins
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:48 PM

I chose Raymond just so I could be the one person who chose him, BUT I WASN'T! 8 other people actually chose Raymond!? I can't believe it.

So just for the record, Higgins by far... I don't even need to explain why because I think it's obvious, but I guess not since some people actually chose Raymond :picard:

to be clear a lot of people who chose Higgins said they'd chose Raymond if both were playing at their best

Edited by Figeroux, 16 August 2012 - 07:53 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 07:55 PM

Vote for Raymond
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:10 PM

A lot of people choose to forget Higgy had 3 20+ goal seasons when he played for Montreal.

So are we comparing both of them at the peak of their careers so far? Or are we comparing them right now?

Raymond obviously brings more speed, an underrated defensive game, and great backchecking ability that often goes un-noticed.

Higgins is grittier, is much better at battling along the boards and in the corners, and can be more physical. He also can slot up and down the lineup and be effective.


If you look at the past, Higgins has produced goals at the NHL level more consistently than Raymond has (3 20+ goal seasons in a row for Higgins), and in a single season also scored more goals (27 vs. 25).

In their current form, Higgins is the more versatile and effective forward. Does Raymond have more upside? After his 25-goal season, he probably had a higher ceiling, offensively, but injuries have derailed his progress. Raymond needs to find his confidence again, and take the puck to the net with more authority. Him being a perimeter player (probably attributable to his injuries) is what's killing his production.


So, the question is prime Higgins vs. prime Raymond?

Current Higgins vs. current Raymond?

Statistically Higgins wins in both matchups so far.

Edited by Jai604, 16 August 2012 - 09:11 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:16 PM

Raymond easily. he's a better player when he's at his best (09-10)

He can be a legit top 6 forward on any team, something Higgins isn't unfortunately.


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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:20 PM

People forget how good Raymond was in his heyday.


The key part of your post is "day". I think he did have a good one. Once.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:33 PM

The funny thing is Raymond plays his best hockey after coming off an injury. At least for a solid 5 games or so. Seems like he does something different when coming back and he plays much better. Uses his speed well, has vision, and goes to the tough areas. Completely opposite on any other day though.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:43 PM

A lot of people choose to forget Higgy had 3 20+ goal seasons when he played for Montreal.

So are we comparing both of them at the peak of their careers so far? Or are we comparing them right now?

Raymond obviously brings more speed, an underrated defensive game, and great backchecking ability that often goes un-noticed.

Higgins is grittier, is much better at battling along the boards and in the corners, and can be more physical. He also can slot up and down the lineup and be effective.


If you look at the past, Higgins has produced goals at the NHL level more consistently than Raymond has (3 20+ goal seasons in a row for Higgins), and in a single season also scored more goals (27 vs. 25).

In their current form, Higgins is the more versatile and effective forward. Does Raymond have more upside? After his 25-goal season, he probably had a higher ceiling, offensively, but injuries have derailed his progress. Raymond needs to find his confidence again, and take the puck to the net with more authority. Him being a perimeter player (probably attributable to his injuries) is what's killing his production.


So, the question is prime Higgins vs. prime Raymond?

Current Higgins vs. current Raymond?

Statistically Higgins wins in both matchups so far.

Don't forget Higgins has 3 years on Raymond
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:12 PM

His play was on a steady decline before that injury


2009-2010 - 1 point/21.17 es toi
2010-2011 - 1 point/ 23.97 es toi

(I stand corrected, a marginal decrease in even strength production)

I could be mistaken, but IIRC his points / ES TOI were better in 2010-2011 than in his 2009-2010 year.

AV just cut his minutes and he was injured.

Edited by Kack Zassian, 16 August 2012 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:37 PM

i would take higgins with a broken leg and arm over raymond any day
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