King of the ES Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I don't disagree that Kadri has more overall offensive skill than any of our current prospects (Kassian and Jensen have points in their favour, and Rodin is maybe our most exciting prospect from a pure offensive standpoint now), but will it pan out to the degree we'd want at an NHL level, and is he worth enough otherwise to warrant making him a significant piece in the return for Luongo? That's debatable when considering the extras and his progression so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Only you would take Raymond over Booth lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He'd be leaving many millions of dollars on the table by doing that. Don't count on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc. Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Booth provides other intangables that the Canucks need, other than solid secondary production: ..And scores nice goals that Id bet we'll see many more of... www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gur7OJCeKc4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 So does Raymond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Last two cup winners have had big teams, that's the trend in the NHL. Booth is bigger than Raymond and can stay on his skates. He is a powerful skater, who can play the grinding game down low. Raymond, Lombardi, Cogliano. All of these smaller speed guys come into the NHL hot and then cool down and become complimentary players/pk specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wshdrvvn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Younger, faster, less expensive, less "damaged", is a better fit in this market, doesn't make a fool of himself on Twitter, etc. Booth's also every bit the one-year wonder that Raymond has proven to be so far. I'd take Raymond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal: (sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...) Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross. Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there. Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal: (sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...) Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross. Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there. Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I think Booth has been prejudged a lot in Vancouver, but for those of you who don't like him, I have a proposal: (sorry - no, it's not a Luongo proposal, but everyone here seems to have run out of Luongo ideas...) Hockey trade - Booth to Calgary for Curtis Glencross. Calgary gets a little more size, a bit more hitting, and a larger cap hit out of the deal (Calgary loves caphits - I think they judge a player's worth by their cap ht...) Also, there are probably more believers and hunters in Calgary than Vancouver, and he's less likely to take a lotta flack there. Canucks get another kickass, undrafted, underpaid player out of the deal, one who can give Burrows a run for the best-bang-for-the-buck. Have no problem with how Booth plays, but really like this Curtis Glencross - he's far too good for his cap hit to be a Flame - total misfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 "Positive", no, but these guys are hockey players, they're not bodybuilders. Kadri's probably trying to put on weight - which is a strategy. What do you think Brett Hull looked like without a shirt on? Not comparing them, but come on. A little bodyfat ain't going to hinder performance. Somebody else brought up the fact that he's got 19 points in 51 NHL games. Not bad. And what you're saying is really no different to what a lot of people - myself included - were saying about Cody Hodgson in the summer of 2011. There were very, very serious concerns about his worth as a prospect. Hodgson had seriously underwhelmed in the AHL, and did not even have a particularly good training camp. But then when the games were on, he was very, very productive, and stayed that way until he was traded. Kadri being in the AHL could well be strategic on the part of Burke/Nonis. Takes pressure off of him, doesn't burn entry-level years, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 #1: Not true. Cody Hodgson is a very recent example of a guy who has neither. And he didn't even put up good numbers in the AHL. #2: This is always a concern, but I don't think showing up to camp with a higher level of bodyfat means that this is the case. Maybe he's trying to put on weight. Bodyfat is often a result of trying to bulk up - not easy at all to gain "pure" muscle. Arniel had made some comments recently about Kassian that suggest that his commitment level might be questionable, too. I think what it often is with young "high-end" types they're so used to being dominant, without much effort, that that is no more when they hit the AHL. #3 & #4, I haven't really seen enough of him to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I didn't claim that he was the type of player going around crushing guys. All I did was point out the statmakers gave him over a hit-per-game last year. That is more than most of our Vancouver forwards. Pretty much double (per game) than Raymond. If Leafs fans are in fact booing a 21 year-old kid just trying to figure out the NHL, then it is proof that they are complete morons. It is also proof that Kadri is carrying the weight of unfair expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 LOL!!!! 1. FAT = FAT BRO....wake up...as I said you tried to spin your GM calling you fat into positive. He was called OUT OF SHAPE by his GM!!!! This wasn't a compliment!! It speaks to a 3rd pro to which there are strong expectations that he is not showing the committment he needs to, and in the press no less...publicly not privately, in the press!!!! wow just go on with your delusions. 2. He's no Brett Hull 3. There is nothing strategic about not having a center, drafting one, and leaving him in the minors because he can't crack a crappy team. Good for your make up all the silly excuses for your man crush on a fringe, crap hockey player. Wherever Kadri ends up sure hope its not here, and see what his stats are in 4 yrs and then you can tell me I told you so. Wow....just wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I am actually amazed at some of the posts on here regarding Kadri, obviously from people that have never seen him play live. Although I don't like the rumoured return for Luongo, because I don't think it addresses the correct needs, Kadri would immediately become the Canucks best offensive prospect. Schroeder is becoming a decent prospect in his own right but he has nowhere near the offensive talent of Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He wasn't fat. He had some fat on him like any human but he wasn't fat. And they didn't have him in the line-up is because they are stupid. He was playing fine, he was a + and they sent him down when they have guys go 20 games without a goal and are big minus's. He has been mistreated and a fresh start would be great, we could use a foward with his playmaking skillset, and he would instatnly bolster our prospect pool immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He wasn't fat. He had some fat on him like any human but he wasn't fat. And they didn't have him in the line-up is because they are stupid. He was playing fine, he was a + and they sent him down when they have guys go 20 games without a goal and are big minus's. He has been mistreated and a fresh start would be great, we could use a foward with his playmaking skillset, and he would instatnly bolster our prospect pool immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 So does Raymond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 He's a 'tweener' you just don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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