poetica Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Drybone, let's pretend you aren't just talking out of your posterior for a minute and give you a chance to prove your frequent assertions. You keep saying Fehr is the problem and without him players would get more and owners would be demanding less. Where is a single piece of proof? They didn't have him last time and lost in almost every regard. What proof do you have that he is in any way damaging anything? And what proof do you have that Fehr is more damaging than Bettman, who is often openly antagonistic? What proof do you have to support your silly assertion that owners wouldn't be demanding so much if only it weren't for their overriding dislike of Fehr? And your hockey player turned lawyer turned owner lover ("to walk in their shoes") turned union rep idea is laughable. Remind me again, how many owners were players first and understand their perspective? How many owners were GMs first and truly understand how to run a team? How many owners actually run the team like a regular business (which is their only area of expertise but completely irrelevant if they aren't using those skills)? And what prior hockey experience did Bettman have? If you think players should have a homegrown union rep, shouldn't the NHL itself be led by someone with a lifelong relationship with the sport? I look forward to seeing if you have any actual facts to back up the crap you keep saying instead of just relying on more of your own opinions as your only "proof." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brambojoe Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Its about time. In fact, they should FIRE Fehr and that would go a LONG way to getting the owners to ease up and give back some concessions. There was NO WAY the Owners were going to let some outsider walk in and try to BULLY them at their own game. The sooner the NHLPA fires Fehr the sooner the owners can back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 This thread delivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Remind me again, how many owners were players first and understand their perspective? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boxiebrown Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Its about time. In fact, they should FIRE Fehr and that would go a LONG way to getting the owners to ease up and give back some concessions. There was NO WAY the Owners were going to let some outsider walk in and try to BULLY them at their own game. The sooner the NHLPA fires Fehr the sooner the owners can back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I guess you guys might want to actually ADMIT the league has all the power and the NHLPA has none whatsoever. The owners are royally pissed off at Fehr and the players have made a huge mistake by hiring him. The owners do not have to do anything and its now showing. Perhaps next time the NHLPA will grow their own attorney. They will get a guy who is a hockey player, even if it was only at the AHL or even east coast league level. Get a guy who has been a hockey guy his whole life then became a professional attorney Then have that guy study and practice labor law and sports law for decades. Then , after he is ready, then have that guy walk a mile in the owners shoes, earn their respect, and THEN represent the union in negotiations. The NHLPA will have far smoother sailing having a home grown legal talent WITHIN the NHL ranks rather than bring some outsider as their hired gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Global news interviewed larionov who's in town and he let slip that he spoke with both union and Colin Campbell and felt the 2 sides would be wrapping up a CBA soon... Gretzky also chimed in again and felt by next month well have a CBA signed.... Are we close or not close??? Edit: Phil Esposito also thinks hockey returns in December... So does hockeyyinsiderr (ugh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 If they don't start playing by January the league is going to lose a lot of fans. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Global news interviewed larionov who's in town and he let slip that he spoke with both union and Colin Campbell and felt the 2 sides would be wrapping up a CBA soon... Gretzky also chimed in again and felt by next month well have a CBA signed.... Are we close or not close??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Drybone, let's pretend you aren't just talking out of your posterior for a minute and give you a chance to prove your frequent assertions. You keep saying Fehr is the problem and without him players would get more and owners would be demanding less. Where is a single piece of proof? They didn't have him last time and lost in almost every regard. What proof do you have that he is in any way damaging anything? And what proof do you have that Fehr is more damaging than Bettman, who is often openly antagonistic? What proof do you have to support your silly assertion that owners wouldn't be demanding so much if only it weren't for their overriding dislike of Fehr? And your hockey player turned lawyer turned owner lover ("to walk in their shoes") turned union rep idea is laughable. Remind me again, how many owners were players first and understand their perspective? How many owners were GMs first and truly understand how to run a team? How many owners actually run the team like a regular business (which is their only area of expertise but completely irrelevant if they aren't using those skills)? And what prior hockey experience did Bettman have? If you think players should have a homegrown union rep, shouldn't the NHL itself be led by someone with a lifelong relationship with the sport? I look forward to seeing if you have any actual facts to back up the crap you keep saying instead of just relying on more of your own opinions as your only "proof." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Global news interviewed larionov who's in town and he let slip that he spoke with both union and Colin Campbell and felt the 2 sides would be wrapping up a CBA soon... Gretzky also chimed in again and felt by next month well have a CBA signed.... Are we close or not close??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Might be a repeat article, but it's well worth the read: http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/don_bett_on_this_commish_IEaFOaMafgPLGAnT5fPrJN Unsurprisingly, anything Bruins related turns to trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossi Vaananen Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think I'm in denial... every time I hear that both sides are talking, I get excited. I think that they're grown men and naturally they would be able to resolve this like adults.... but then nothing happens. I want hockey for christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 League stooge? Hyperbole? You are reduced to personal insults now? In other words the NHLPA argument has failed. It it is utterly irrelevant what you think . Just as it doesnt matter what I think or what my personal feelings are. Just so you know, I would prefer they get on with a contract so we can get on with the season. It is irrelevant to you or what the terms are. Neither of us will ever have anything to do with how they split it up . Just as we will never hoist the Stanley Cup nor ever play in the NHL or have anything to do with the Canucks other than just be fans. However, I have come to discuss the facts from a dispassionate point of view of the real world. And those facts are exactly as I have laid them out. I am not sugar coating this for anyone. League has all power, NHLPA has none. Again, it is irrelevant what you WANT TO BELIEVE. Its what the actual reality is. Anyone who believes the NHLPA has any power at this point must be deluded i. Its so obvious they dont. I have been telling you all along . I am sorry you dont want to believe it. However, I'm not going to sink to throwing personal insults at you. If you are still holding a vigil for the NHLPA to somehow 'win' , I feel sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Your post rambles and unfornutately does not add anything of value.You spend too much time insisting that Ido something to help your understanding. I would advise you read it again and I am sure it will come to yourself. I feel sorry for those who still believe the NHLPA are somehow going to win. I pity you. They have no power. Anyone who thinks they do is deluded. . Hiring Fehr has hurt the Union. We shall see how far he will go to make a deal. I can assure you the owners dont have to make any deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I think Fehr's done a good job. All he has done is organised the players into an effective communication hub. I think he really does speak on behalf of the players and not for them. Bettman on the other hand, I'm not so sure. Let's change that governing board vote to a 50%+1 pass and see what happens. It's never going to happen, but it would probably change the attitude of the NHL offers. I really hope the make whole is "made whole" by the owner that signed the contract to begin with. I don't want the league to collectively share in that payment. Craig Leipold deserves to pay every last dime. What I am really wishing is that some of the NHL veteran leadership would speak out to the union. I don't want to hear any more Crosby whining towards the NHL owners. (I wonder how Mario feels about this). It was nice to hear Jagr speak out, but how about Iginla or Doan, considering they are also part owners of a money losing Blazers WHL team? They need to speak to their own union, not the NHL, and tell the younger players to take a few punches and move on. Edit, apparently they did speak out. The Iginla article is a good read, honest, and to the point. “It’s not a matter of us trying to get anything back from the owners. We’re trying to find a way to get a deal that, in five years, Gary won’t be coming back and saying, ‘The game is better than ever, but there’s still a few teams (struggling) and instead of 50%, we want you to take 40%,’ ” Iginla said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yuk yuk yuk~! Some of these people who try to push there ideal package on the CBA are about as sharp as a butter knife... I can see that you may have an opinion on the CBA and its more weighted to the NHLPA but when realism kicks in you get all butt hurt. Thats why I say some people are so clingy to the players jock straps that they feel the need to cut anyone who says the NHLPA are not going to get what they are asking for...."Will to!" UUH HUUH! lol Who locked who out here? {NHL} Who hired the gun to rep them in this battle? {Players}Who asked the NHLPA Rep Fehr to stick to these meetings and get er done? {Players} because maybe just MAYBE they are starting to realize that "Well damn Im not in demand as I think I am" You see the players will lose, and Fehr will have done nothing but poke the beast that is the NHL~! I watched the OHL/Russia games and was entertained some of them have the stuff...so I know that the NHL will always have talent...and the ones waiting for this CBA will only get old. Go OWNERS~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 So that would be a big fat "no" to having a single shred of proof to back up your many assertions then. How sad that you find direct questions to be "rambling." Or is that simply a convenient excuse to avoid answering a single one of them? And yes, I expected you "help me understand" your point. It's called participating in a discussion. This is a discussion forum, after all. It's simply too bad you were incapable of either defending your position with more than your own feelings or responding to direct questions with anything more than childishly stomping your foot and saying, "Just take my word because I said so!" But rest assured, you still more than managed to tell me everything I need to know about your actual knowledge of the situation and the weight your opinion should be afforded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drybone Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 And now comes Mr Rechhi to finally admit what I have been writing all along. The NHLPA hiring Fehr has pissed the owners off to no end. He has already cost the players and unless something drastic happens now, its going to get worse. There is one thing about only being able to see it from the union side, but even the most ardent NHLPA fan has got to admit that this has been nothing short of a disaster for them. They need to Fehr to step down as a sign of good faith to the owners . The owners own the league. The players own nothing. I dont know who convinced them they had some kind of 50/50 muscle with the owners but they have been b#tch slapped back to reality. With that said, Fehr needs to get out of the way and a hockey guy come in with a fresh credibility and try to save the season. Lets get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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