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#1 key2thecup

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Pakistan mob burns man accused of desecrating Koran alive

(Reuters) - A mob broke into a Pakistani police station and burnt a man accused of desecrating the Koran alive, police said Saturday, in the latest violence focusing attention on the country's blasphemy laws.

The man was a traveler and had spent Thursday night at the mosque, said Maulvi Memon, the imam in the southern village of Seeta in Sindh province. The charred remains of the Koran were found the next morning.

"He was alone in the mosque during the night," Memon said. "There was no one else there to do this terrible thing."

Villagers beat the man then handed him over to police. A few hours later, a crowd of around 200 stormed the police station, dragged the man out and set him on fire, said Usman Ghani, the senior superintendent of police in Dadu district.

Ghani said around 30 people had been arrested for the murder and seven police detained for negligence.

At least 53 people have been killed in Pakistan since 1990 after being accused of blasphemy, according to the Center for Research and Security Studies, and accusations are becoming more frequent.

Blasphemy in Pakistan is punishable by death but it is not specifically defined by law. During court cases, lawyers often do not wish to repeat evidence against the accused for fear of being blasphemous themselves.

People have been arrested for just discussing or writing about Islam, making mistakes in homework or not joining protests against a film insulting Islam. In some cases, the accusers have had financial disputes with those who are accused.

Most recently, international attention focused on the case of Rimsha Masih, a Christian teenager accused of having some burnt pages of a child's exercise book quoting the Koran in a bag of rubbish she was carrying.

The case was dismissed last month after a neighbor came forward to say she was framed, possibly to chase Christians out of her neighborhood.

In the past two years, two senior Pakistani officials who suggested reforming the laws have been shot dead, one by his own bodyguard. Lawyers threw rose petals at the killer and the judge who convicted him was forced to flee the country.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/22/us-pakistan-blasphemy-idUSBRE8BL03R20121222


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Posted 25 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

Religion is beautiful. Merry Xmas.

Edited by Jaimito, 25 December 2012 - 04:00 PM.

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 04:13 PM

Should he have desecrated the Koran dead?
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 04:30 PM

Allah ackbar?
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

I use the Koran to wipe my rear end. Now commence rioting to display how unfair the world is and how your religion is the one of peace,
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:27 PM

People deserve better then this. I wish they had a choice.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:54 PM

wait........they have fire? :shock:
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 07:47 PM

Why would a stranger travel to another village, sleep in the mosque and go burn the quran? In Pakistani and other South Asian countries' rural villages it's normal for a stranger passing thru needing a place to rest for the night to spend a night at the mosque or temple.

Used to be more common but with modernization and better infrastructure its not as common anymore. Still these are rural farming villages with no hotels around for miles. It's normal for villagers to provide a meal and let the stranger sleep at the local mosque.

If given this hospitality by these villagers why would someone desecrate their religious texts? If he did this he would know he would cause or be in trouble.

In the past these types of tactics have been used by intelligence agencies to cause discourse between different faiths in a community. It used to be a very common practice of ISI to use this tactic in India.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 08:29 PM

wait........they have fire? :shock:

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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

And this country is an "ally" because...?
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:04 PM

It happens to the best of us. You know - just passing through Pakistani villages, sleeping at mosques, setting fire to religious texts... standard practice, really.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:09 PM

Wait a tic... They have nukes don't they...









And we're worried about Iran?
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

Wait a tic... They have nukes don't they...


And we're worried about Iran?


I know it is pretty ironic, since its a military dictatorship run country.
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 09:15 PM

Split infinitif?
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 10:41 PM

NRA and this mob is a perfect combination. I think they should live together in one country.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:22 AM

Split infinitif?

"infinitive"?
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 12:34 AM

NRA and this mob is a perfect combination. I think they should live together in one country.


Except the NRA doesnt go and kill people.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:56 AM

Why would a stranger travel to another village, sleep in the mosque and go burn the quran? In Pakistani and other South Asian countries' rural villages it's normal for a stranger passing thru needing a place to rest for the night to spend a night at the mosque or temple.

Used to be more common but with modernization and better infrastructure its not as common anymore. Still these are rural farming villages with no hotels around for miles. It's normal for villagers to provide a meal and let the stranger sleep at the local mosque.

If given this hospitality by these villagers why would someone desecrate their religious texts? If he did this he would know he would cause or be in trouble.

In the past these types of tactics have been used by intelligence agencies to cause discourse between different faiths in a community. It used to be a very common practice of ISI to use this tactic in India.


The ISI really isn't required to cause discourse between anyone in Pakistan. There are 2 or 3 terror attacks resulting in death every day in Pakistan. It isn't heavily reported here because it would overwhelm our news services. Iraq is even worse but of course we are all well aware of the chaos there. But unfortunately this violence is happening all over the planet where Islam is looking to either expand or there is conflict within Islam itself.
For example a dozen Christian parishioners were gunned down and their church burned Christmas Eve in northern Nigeria by the Islamist group Boko Haram. Did anyone here even hear about this in the news?
Also, in two separate shootings in Karachis 3 shiites were gunned down by Sunnis on Christmas Eve and then (in retaliation)? 4 Sunnis including a cleric were murdered. It happens every day.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:14 AM

Except the NRA doesnt go and kill people.

No they just ensure that it is as easy as possible, I am just waiting for their call to arm firefighters and provide them with armoured vehicles.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

If only those people were double-tapped by drones before they had the chance to set the guy on fire.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:35 PM


The ISI really isn't required to cause discourse between anyone in Pakistan.


lol, ofcourse not, why would they cause discourse in their own country.

ISI = Inter Services Intelligence, Pakistan's Intelligence agency. Usually its foreign intelligence agencies who cause trouble in non aligned countries, sometimes even in aligned countries depending on self interest.

If this was an intelligence op it was most likely RAW.

There are 2 or 3 terror attacks resulting in death every day in Pakistan. It isn't heavily reported here because it would overwhelm our news services. Iraq is even worse but of course we are all well aware of the chaos there. But unfortunately this violence is happening all over the planet where Islam is looking to either expand or there is conflict within Islam itself.
For example a dozen Christian parishioners were gunned down and their church burned Christmas Eve in northern Nigeria by the Islamist group Boko Haram. Did anyone here even hear about this in the news?



I made a post the other day in the NY fire fighter thread regarding news coverage in NA. check it out.

A few christian parishioners killed by terrorists is evil muslims, but what about a couple of million muslims killed by America in Iraq and Afghanistan. Guess their lives don't count.

As a non christian and non muslim I its pretty clear to me who has killed who more over the past decade. My mind isn't blinded by religion.

click link http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/

Also, in two separate shootings in Karachis 3 shiites were gunned down by Sunnis on Christmas Eve and then (in retaliation)? 4 Sunnis including a cleric were murdered. It happens every day.


Before the Iraq war did the average person in the west know the difference between Sunni and Shiites? All of a sudden they were blowing up each other's mosques. Really? There are many many documented reports of young men being hired as drivers, they were told to report to a certain location and all of a sudden their vehicle would blow up killing civilians in a market.

It's called divide and conquer, an old British tactic. Even some of the most hardliner religious leaders in Iraq, ie' Muqtada al Sadr came out and told his followers not to retaliate for sectarian killings as it was foreign intelligence plots to divide the country and it's people.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:48 PM

Also not the case.


Actually it is the case , it is their lobbying and pressure that allow guns to be easily purchased and used .

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

Makes as much sense as this....


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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:00 PM

And this country is an "ally" because...?


Because they've lost 10's of thousand soldiers and civilians in a cause that benefits you but is against their national interest.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

Because they've lost 10's of thousand soldiers and civilians in a cause that benefits you but is against their national interest.


Do you mean the "War on Terror"? I'm pretty sure a lot of those losses could have been averted had they not harboured the likes of Osama bin Laden in their country, which by the way, does not benefit us or our national interests in any way.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 09:47 PM

Do you mean the "War on Terror"? I'm pretty sure a lot of those losses could have been averted had they not harboured the likes of Osama bin Laden in their country, which by the way, does not benefit us or our national interests in any way.


Please explain how they would have lost a lot less lives by not doing what you claim they did?

Didn't most of their deaths come from fighting the likes of OBL? Isn't that why they lost thousands of soldiers in fighting on the NW Frontier? Didn't the Pakistani Taliban started bombing cities and govt offices, police stations in retaliation for the army fighting them in NWFP? If anything it cost them a lot more lives, not less.

Who captured and handed over to the US almost every major terror suspect? Pakistan did. Some of the names include KSM, al Libi, and abu Zubydah


Pakistan isn't going to completely roll over and have no say in the future of the region They aren't going to roll over knowing the west will just get up and leave when they feel like leaving Pak to deal with this mess, just like in 1980's. They have to protect their own national interests too. But Pakistan has shed more blood in this war than any other nation. This is why they are considered an ally, which was your original question.

The last thing Pak wants is India setting up shop on their back door. Karzai spent years in India before returning to Afghanistan to assume power. India has spent Billions$$ in Aff to build Infrastructure and prop up the govt.

Pakistan accuses India's RAW of backing insurgencies in NW Frontier Provinces and in southern state of Balochistan. Pakistani media also accuses the US and Israeli intelligence of funding and supporting terror networks in these regions. Its a very complicated and fluid situation.
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Posted 26 December 2012 - 11:02 PM

Wait a tic... They have nukes don't they...









And we're worried about Iran?


It's because Iran has oil and wants to "destroy" Israel.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:00 AM

Please explain how they would have lost a lot less lives by not doing what you claim they did?

Didn't most of their deaths come from fighting the likes of OBL? Isn't that why they lost thousands of soldiers in fighting on the NW Frontier? Didn't the Pakistani Taliban started bombing cities and govt offices, police stations in retaliation for the army fighting them in NWFP? If anything it cost them a lot more lives, not less.

Who captured and handed over to the US almost every major terror suspect? Pakistan did. Some of the names include KSM, al Libi, and abu Zubydah


Pakistan isn't going to completely roll over and have no say in the future of the region They aren't going to roll over knowing the west will just get up and leave when they feel like leaving Pak to deal with this mess, just like in 1980's. They have to protect their own national interests too. But Pakistan has shed more blood in this war than any other nation. This is why they are considered an ally, which was your original question.

The last thing Pak wants is India setting up shop on their back door. Karzai spent years in India before returning to Afghanistan to assume power. India has spent Billions$$ in Aff to build Infrastructure and prop up the govt.

Pakistan accuses India's RAW of backing insurgencies in NW Frontier Provinces and in southern state of Balochistan. Pakistani media also accuses the US and Israeli intelligence of funding and supporting terror networks in these regions. Its a very complicated and fluid situation.


Fending off the Taliban is in their own national interest too, and not against it as your earlier post suggested.

They still have some explaining to do for giving OBL refuge in a secret compound.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 07:38 AM

Except the NRA doesnt go and kill people.

[insert analogy either Godwinning the thread or comparing the NRA to terrorists]

(+1 btw)

Edited by zaibatsu, 27 December 2012 - 07:38 AM.

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