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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

phaneuf won't fit anywhere in our lineup. he'd be on the 3rd pairing, like ballard with a bigger contract.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:36 PM

phaneuf won't fit anywhere in our lineup. he'd be on the 3rd pairing, like ballard with a bigger contract.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

How can this be true if the NHLPA still hasn't ratified the new CBA or now that the BOG has ratified it does that make it business as usual again? A bit confused by this.


GM's still talk, behind the scenes, off the record etc.

Canucks are also most likely to be calling agents re their UFA clients as well not just other teams.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

Ballard will pbbly be traded for back up goalie or pick if Gardiner is part of the package.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

Not sold on Gardiner or Kadri, actually. Good young players, i guess, with Gardiner having offensive upside, but both are softish. Gardiner's currently concussed too.

However, we could work with them. Maybe they can get tougher.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

With Nonuts taking over, lest we forget the original trade that brought Luongo here:

Roberto Luongo, Lukas Krajicek, 2006 sixth round pick (#163-Sergei Shirokov) for
Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen, Alex Auld, 2007 conditional sixth round pick (not exercised)

With that in mind, thinking similar structure:

Roberto Luongo, Kevin Connauton, Pick for
Gunnarson, Reimer, Bozak, Conditional pick?

I suppose you could argue Franson or Kadri instead of Gunnarson or Bozak.


Nonos got really lucky in the Luongo to VAN trade. Mad Mike Keannan was on the other end of the phone during that time. MG is a different type of person. Not happening. MG will get young players not a pending UFA in Bertuzzi and change.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Not sold on Gardiner or Kadri, actually. Good young players, i guess, with Gardiner having offensive upside, but both are softish. Gardiner's currently concussed too.

However, we could work with them. Maybe they can get tougher.


At this point I'd say that is a pretty good return. 2 young guys with huge potential. I don't think we can afford to take on a 5 million dollar established player.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

I'm not sold on Gillis' mentality. Should he really be looking for prospects? Meh, perhaps if he's working on the future of this team.

He should really be looking at Grabovski and Weiss. Yeah, they have hefty salaries, but who cares? Not like its gonna hurt any of our wallets. Get either of them..

Sedin
Kesler
Grabovski/Weiss
Lapierre/Malhotra

That's a very, very solid group of centers.

I'm feeling lazy with the whole cap thing, but i'm pretty sure a 1 for 1 trade would work for both teams in terms of cap?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:39 PM

Not sold on Gardiner or Kadri, actually. Good young players, i guess, with Gardiner having offensive upside, but both are softish. Gardiner's currently concussed too.

However, we could work with them. Maybe they can get tougher.


You don't think Kadri and Kassin would make a good duo? Kadri can be pretty dirty when it comes to cheap shots and who better to clean up that mess than Kassian?

Besides that, Kassian has always been a "more assists than goals" type powerforward and tic tic toe plays would be a much more frequent occurrence between those two.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

I'm not sold on Gillis' mentality. Should he really be looking for prospects? Meh, perhaps if he's working on the future of this team.

He should really be looking at Grabovski and Weiss. Yeah, they have hefty salaries, but who cares? Not like its gonna hurt any of our wallets. Get either of them..

Sedin
Kesler
Grabovski/Weiss
Lapierre/Malhotra

That's a very, very solid group of centers.

I'm feeling lazy with the whole cap thing, but i'm pretty sure a 1 for 1 trade would work for both teams in terms of cap?


No, next year it wouldn't work. Grabovski's $5.5m means bye-bye Edler even if Gillis buys out Ballard's $4.2m because the cap drops from $70m to $64m.

Edit: However, if you're choosing between the two you oughta go Weiss simply for the fact that Booth-Weiss-Horton was a dynamic line a few years back and we have a similar player to Horton (albeit not developed yet) in Kassian.

Edited by Millerdraft, 09 January 2013 - 03:47 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

No, next year it wouldn't work. Grabovski's $5.5m means bye-bye Edler even if Gillis buys out Ballard's $4.2m because the cap drops from $70m to $64m.


Grabovski is out of the question, but Weiss has such a sexy contract for a top-6 forward. And Malhotra, Ballard and Raymond probably won't be returning next season so I wouldn't worry too much about cap.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

I would way rather have Gardiner and Kadri over Grabovski or especially Weiss. Not even close. You are getting to top tier prospects, one at C and one on D. This would be a great deal for Vancouver.

And I really like Grabovski. He's a great team mate, plays both ends of ice and is a leader. But Gardiner is a future 1st pairing Dman and Kadri a future 2nd line C and maybe even 1st line C.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Grabovski is out of the question, but Weiss has such a sexy contract for a top-6 forward. And Malhotra, Ballard and Raymond probably won't be returning next season so I wouldn't worry too much about cap.


Weiss is UFA after this season. So you would give up Luongo for a rental?? Not happening.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

Weiss is UFA after this season. So you would give up Luongo for a rental?? Not happening.


And Luongo only has 3 years before he retires, so I would take that chance. Plus Florida would be adding a decent prospect to the deal like Petrovic as collateral.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

Weiss is UFA after this season. So you would give up Luongo for a rental?? Not happening.


You would give up Luongo, and the needed cap relief, for Grabovskis albatross of a contract.

Part of this deal is to allow the Canucks to have the option of resigning Edler.

If the Canucks could get Weiss and Bjugstad - it would be perfect, as it feels an immediate issue and a long term one.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

Grabovski is out of the question, but Weiss has such a sexy contract for a top-6 forward. And Malhotra, Ballard and Raymond probably won't be returning next season so I wouldn't worry too much about cap.


I like Weiss but the numbers won't work next year as Weiss wants Kesler/Plekanec dollars (he demanded $6m from Tallon because he wants out not unlike what Garrison did).
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

And Luongo only has 3 years before he retires, so I would take that chance. Plus Florida would be adding a decent prospect to the deal like Petrovic as collateral.


Luongo 3 years before he retires?? where did you get that info??
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:53 PM

What the hell are we gonna do with Gardiner? Replace Ballard with him and make him play 3rd pairing minutes? What a waste..
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:54 PM

You would give up Luongo, and the needed cap relief, for Grabovskis albatross of a contract.

Part of this deal is to allow the Canucks to have the option of resigning Edler.

If the Canucks could get Weiss and Bjugstad - it would be perfect, as it feels an immediate issue and a long term one.


No way Tallon gives that package up. It's been mentioned by various media outlets that he's balked at the very mention of the name Bjugstad, let alone Weiss (who the Blackhawks would love).

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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

You would give up Luongo, and the needed cap relief, for Grabovskis albatross of a contract.

Part of this deal is to allow the Canucks to have the option of resigning Edler.

If the Canucks could get Weiss and Bjugstad - it would be perfect, as it feels an immediate issue and a long term one.


First Grabovski does not have a albatross contract. He is the best player in the Leafs roster. Grabovski took a 500k pay cut discount when he re - signed last trade deadline.

Second Canucks have tried to get Bjugstad from FLD and failed. Florida is not giving up Bjugstad . MG won' get Weiss and Bjugstad from Florida, they are not desperate like the Leafs are.

edit" not pay cut but discount.

Edited by WHL rocks, 09 January 2013 - 04:08 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

The Nonis list of "UFA" signings, coming from outside the team (not including trades or signing own players):

Johnathan Aitken
Lee Goren
Wade Flaherty
Jeff Heerema
Joe DiPenta
Richard Park
Anson Carter
Prestin Ryan
Sven Butenschon
Josh Green
Brent Johnson
Marc Chouinard
Jan Bulis
Joe Rullier
Gordie Dwyer
Rory Fitzpatrick
Byron Ritchie
Brad Isbister
Aaron Miller
Dan McGillis

I don't see anything in this list that suggests Nonis or the organisation was "attracting talent players".


On the other hand, the Gillis list doesn't seem that bad. There is plugs, but some talent as well:

Darcy Hordichuk
Alexandre Bolduc
Nolan Baumgartner
Ryan Johnson
Mark Cullen
Pavol Demitra
Rob Davison
Jason Krog
Aaron Rome
Lawrence Nycholat
Mikael Samuelsson
Tanner Glass
Andrew Raycroft
Mike Funk
Mathieu Schneider
Dan Hamhuis
Jeff Tambellini
Joel Perrault
Manny Malhotra
Tyler Weiman
Raffi Torres
Andrew Ebbett
Marco Sturm
Mark Mancari
Steven Pinizzotto
Alexander Sulzer
Matt Climie
Byron Bitz
Jason Garrison
Patrick Mullen
Guillaume Desbiens
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Well if you watched the games, you would understand why they're losing. Our prospects were constantly being jumbled around the lineup, with no clear system in place for the team. The veterans were often used in key situations despite being outplayed by the Canucks prospects. They've got an assistant coach with no previous coaching experience trying to coach the D...

So yea, the coach does have a big part to do with it. Everyone who's following the Wolves right now can se that.


Oh, OK. So don't look to the coaches when deciding which players give him the best shot at winning, look to CDC.

Seems reasonable.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

Teams will get desperate for a very good goaltender, this team we have ( with Schroeder for a handle of games ) is still good enough to beat the majority of teams in this league.


I'll assume that you're talking about the event of injury.

If injury happens to a key goalie - Cam Ward, for example - do you really think that a team like the Hurricanes are going to rush out and try to acquire Luongo, who has 9 years left on his deal?

And you can say that Ward is an extreme example, but look around, there's not a lot of openings around the league for a starting goalie. Most teams already have long-term contracts and big dollars invested into other guys.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

I like Weiss but the numbers won't work next year as Weiss wants Kesler/Plekanec dollars (he demanded $6m from Tallon because he wants out not unlike what Garrison did).


But next year doesn't matter. We want to win this year. And right now Weiss provides the most bang for your buck. I would even say that it's good his contract ends at the end of the season, that way we have more options.

What's the alternative? We keep Luongo? Okay lets say for a sec we keep Luongo lets assume both Schneids and Luo split the season. Ignoring the fact that we have over 9M in goalies which is ridiculous to begin with, there will be a total of 24 games where Luongo is glued to the bench. 24 games where we wouldn't get any production out of Luongo when we could have gotten a top-6 forward to play all 48 games. That is such a waste of an asset if you ask me.

Weiss is the best player out of the teams that are interested in Luongo that we can get and that works the best cap wise.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

What the hell are we gonna do with Gardiner? Replace Ballard with him and make him play 3rd pairing minutes? What a waste..


This team is being built to have three 20-minute pairings. We don't have any true #1 Dmen and we have about four #2/#3 Dmen instead.

For instance:

Hamhuis-Bieksa (#1 Dzone start option, #3 Ozone)
Edler-Gardiner (#1 Ozone start option #3 Dzone)
Garrison-Tanev (#2 Dzone start option, #2 Ozone)
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Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:03 PM

Luongo 3 years before he retires?? where did you get that info??


Most goalies start to suck at 37. I'm just making a wild guess that he'll either be a journeyman like Nabokov or just retire.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

As for Bozak... Not sure what being "western Canadian" has to do with it. He may have some potential but we have no need of him once Kes is back.


You might want to look up Bozak's history in the NHL. He's pretty good. He'd simply shift down to the 3rd line spot when Kesler returns. He is a better player than Max Lapierre, make no mistake.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:06 PM

No way Tallon gives that package up. It's been mentioned by various media outlets that he's balked at the very mention of the name Bjugstad, let alone Weiss (who the Blackhawks would love).

First Grabovski does not have a albatross contract. He is the best player in the Leafs roster. Grabovski took a 500k pay cut when he re - signed last trade deadline.

Second Canucks have tried to get Bjugstad from FLD and failed. Florida is not giving up Bjugstad . MG won' get Weiss and Bjugstad from Florida, they are not desperate like the Leafs are.


Didn't say he would get Weiss and Bjugstad- just saying that is what an ideal package would be.

Saying that he is the best player on the Leafs roster - is not much of an accomplishment. Paying $5M a year for a third line centre... will cost you Edler.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

But next year doesn't matter. We want to win this year. And right now Weiss provides the most bang for your buck. I would even say that it's good his contract ends at the end of the season, that way we have more options.

What's the alternative? We keep Luongo? Okay lets say for a sec we keep Luongo lets assume both Schneids and Luo split the season. Ignoring the fact that we have over 9M in goalies which is ridiculous to begin with, there will be a total of 24 games where Luongo is glued to the bench. 24 games where we wouldn't get any production out of Luongo when we could have gotten a top-6 forward to play all 48 games. That is such a waste of an asset if you ask me.

Weiss is the best player out of the teams that are interested in Luongo that we can get and that works the best cap wise.


I like Weiss. He'd give us great versatility and he knows how to mesh with Booth better than any forward on this team. We could ice 3 scoring lines with Weiss.

Grabovski is a gamble chemistry-wise both on and off the ice.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

Totally wrong. Luongo has demonstrated that he will not cause an uproar. It's obvious to those of us that follow the team and can feel the pulse. This won't be a distraction.


:lol:

Seriously, is this a joke? The CBA hasn't even been ratified yet and there are already Toronto reporters camped out in Florida to watch Luongo practice. This would be the BIGGEST distraction ever!

Luongo doesn't need to be the one "causing" the uproar directly. It will simply happen. Jesus, it is already happening as we speak!

$9.3 tied up in goalies is bad but trading it away for no one isn't going to help.


The reality is that it would probably help either way, because Luongo will just fetch us less the longer that we hold on to him.
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