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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

Oh my god

Give it a rest king, they haven't even had a full day of training camp yet and your already callin Schneider an emo b***h thats about to fail. There is absolutely no fact to this, only your own personal negativity. I don't know if you had a bad minor hockey experience or where your theory is coming from, but these guys are pros and I'd say are both in pretty damn good spirits about all this.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

Source is not considered reliable by any stretch, hence not posted in the news thread:

Luongo to Leafs for Bozak & 1st (year not specified)

Mostly posting so that if it turns out correct, he will become the new SamJam (i.e. he must be right this time because he beat the insiders last time!!). Not releasing his name as it was simply a friend posting on Facebook, but he has some interesting connections.

EDIT: should note that he claims this is a done deal, not the current offer.


That's a terrible trade.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:26 PM

Source is not considered reliable by any stretch, hence not posted in the news thread:

Luongo to Leafs for Bozak & 1st (year not specified)

Mostly posting so that if it turns out correct, he will become the new SamJam (i.e. he must be right this time because he beat the insiders last time!!). Not releasing his name as it was simply a friend posting on Facebook, but he has some interesting connections.

EDIT: should note that he claims this is a done deal, not the current offer.


worst deal ever if that happens
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

Put yourself in his shoes. After being drafted nearly an entire decade earlier, you're finally getting the opportunity - which you've earned - to be the team's starting goaltender.

Not only is the guy you're replacing the most decorated goalie the franchise has ever had - by a mile - the team has chosen to hang on to him and now training camp is starting and he's the most popular guy in the city. If they don't trade Luongo, and he's on the bench on opening night, what's going through your head? Knowing that an all-star goaltender is on the bench, ready to step in, and potentially even steal back his job. Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?

Maybe for you, but both goalies have a great relationship, and have shown no signs of falling apart as you're predicting. Not that I couldn't see it happening, but I don't think there's a high probability of that. I expect them to be a top tandem once again if Luongo isn't traded right away.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:31 PM

Bozak and a 1st? Hah.

Maybe if the 1st was a top 3 pick. But with Lu in Toronto that pick would be more like a 10th-15th. No thanks.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

Put yourself in his shoes. After being drafted nearly an entire decade earlier, you're finally getting the opportunity - which you've earned - to be the team's starting goaltender.

Not only is the guy you're replacing the most decorated goalie the franchise has ever had - by a mile - the team has chosen to hang on to him and now training camp is starting and he's the most popular guy in the city. If they don't trade Luongo, and he's on the bench on opening night, what's going through your head? Knowing that an all-star goaltender is on the bench, ready to step in, and potentially even steal back his job. Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?


Boo hoo! If that is the case & Schneider is going to be rattled by legitimate competition for the #1 spot then maybe he should be the one in trade talks.

Since when is a player guaranteed a spot, especially the #1 goaltending position? If Schnieder is going to be our new #1 then he better get use to playing under pressure. Every other goaltender in the team's history has had to. I would have thought that having a legitimate back-up would motivate him to stay on top of his game.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:35 PM

Perhaps this was my friend's source?
https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger_

Haha.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

Boy, Cory Schneider must be so happy that Luongo's still here.

Supposedly had the loudest applause at the practice today, fans chanting his name, etc. Suddenly, Luongo's the most popular Canuck that there is. Schneider's tenure as our starter hasn't even started yet, and he's already second in popularity to his backup.

This really has the potential to get ugly. If Schneider struggles to start the season, you can be sure that Luongo watching over his shoulder has a big hand in that. Shame on Mike Gillis for not dealing with this earlier, and letting it fester. Even if Lou is dealt before the season starts, the damage has been done.

Everybody can smile for the cameras at practice, where all is rosy, but I am pretty certain that behind the scenes, Cory Schneider is none too impressed with Roberto Luongo still being a Canuck.


You totally underestimate what's going on here. They both understand what's going on, there is plenty of video evidence. When will you?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

Put yourself in his shoes. After being drafted nearly an entire decade earlier, you're finally getting the opportunity - which you've earned - to be the team's starting goaltender.

Not only is the guy you're replacing the most decorated goalie the franchise has ever had - by a mile - the team has chosen to hang on to him and now training camp is starting and he's the most popular guy in the city. If they don't trade Luongo, and he's on the bench on opening night, what's going through your head? Knowing that an all-star goaltender is on the bench, ready to step in, and potentially even steal back his job. Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?

I know ES is short for Equine Sh!t.....I bet yur eyes are brown also cuz you are that full of it !
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

Boo hoo! If that is the case & Schneider is going to be rattled by legitimate competition for the #1 spot then maybe he should be the one in trade talks.

Since when is a player guaranteed a spot, especially the #1 goaltending position? If Schnieder is going to be our new #1 then he better get use to playing under pressure. Every other goaltender in the team's history has had to. I would have thought that having a legitimate back-up would motivate him to stay on top of his game.

Hes just stirring the pot for the atttention !!
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

So this theory doesn't apply to Schroeder and Kassian?

lol

i had too.


That's alright Noheart - I'll bite.

Do you mean the theory that their production is adversely effected by their team-mates?

I don't particularly care for the theory - I wouldn't make that excuse for Kassian or Schroeder myself - but I also don't think any excuses are necessary. I'm not concerned at all about Kassian or Schroeder's production, or alleged lack of - I think Kassian's 20 points in 28 games is pretty damn good actually - that tranlates into numbers virtually identical to Nash's over 82 games lol. Why people feel the need to go on about how bad the Wolves are is beyond me. Our prospects will be fine - and Jensen is lighting it up like a young Sedin in the SEL.

Kassian isn't exactly a first overall, nor the highest paid forward in the AHL - he makes 67k in the AHL, or 870k this year if he sticks with the Canucks. Nash on the other hand played with good enough players to score more than Stephen Weiss. ::D

And as I've said before, the irony of King's multiple warning signs about Kassian thread is that very few people pump Hodgson's tires as frequently as King, and yet Kassian and Schroeder have better AHL numbers than Hodgson did in Manitoba at the same age.

TOR
Luongo

VAN
Kadri
Bozak
Franson
2nd


Aren't you overvaluing Luongo there, haha? :shock: :bigblush: :lol:

Edited by oldnews, 13 January 2013 - 08:14 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:02 PM

Aren't you overvaluing Luongo there, haha? :shock: :bigblush: :lol:


:wacko: Not sure if serious...........
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:04 PM

Very surprised at the "trade Edler koolaid" going around.

People underestimate the value of a dman of his calibre/age.

Mgmt should be looking to free cap space to sign him.

I think it's mostly based on speculation as to what it is going to take to get Edler re-signed.

The Canucks recently have signed their top defensemen to contracts in the 4.5 million area. The same offer was made to Ehrhoff, but he chose to bolt to Buffalo instead.

I think if Edler can be persuaded to agree to a contract in the 4.5 to 5.0 million range, then Gillis will find a way to make it happen. However, if he decides he wants something in the 6 million range, the Canucks likely will be unable to afford him. That being the case, it makes sense to move him for something now, rather than lose him for nothing later.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

Oh my god

Give it a rest king, they haven't even had a full day of training camp yet and your already callin Schneider an emo b***h thats about to fail. There is absolutely no fact to this, only your own personal negativity. I don't know if you had a bad minor hockey experience or where your theory is coming from, but these guys are pros and I'd say are both in pretty damn good spirits about all this.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:11 PM

Boy, Cory Schneider must be so happy that Luongo's still here.

Supposedly had the loudest applause at the practice today, fans chanting his name, etc. Suddenly, Luongo's the most popular Canuck that there is. Schneider's tenure as our starter hasn't even started yet, and he's already second in popularity to his backup.

This really has the potential to get ugly. If Schneider struggles to start the season, you can be sure that Luongo watching over his shoulder has a big hand in that. Shame on Mike Gillis for not dealing with this earlier, and letting it fester. Even if Lou is dealt before the season starts, the damage has been done.

Everybody can smile for the cameras at practice, where all is rosy, but I am pretty certain that behind the scenes, Cory Schneider is none too impressed with Roberto Luongo still being a Canuck.


Big Deal, so the fans let him know they were happy with him in being as pro as he can, You have to turn this around? Brutal go back to Chicago where someone may like you, maybe
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:13 PM

:wacko: Not sure if serious...........



Toronto say no. They won't do it. Four quality pieces? You're crazy. Bozak had 47 points in only 73 games last year - he's a top 6 C in TO, and they can't afford to lose him. Kadri is their only skilled center prospect and scoring a ppg in the AHL - the Leafs and their fans are very high on him. Go to the Leafs board and propose that and watch them flame you! Franson will be a big part of their blueline without the disappointing Schenn around - Franson will be a top 4 - they can't afford to move him! And a pick on top of that. That is a definite top 35 pick!! Almost a low first rounder. Nonis laughs and hangs up.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

Put yourself in his shoes. After being drafted nearly an entire decade earlier, you're finally getting the opportunity - which you've earned - to be the team's starting goaltender.

Not only is the guy you're replacing the most decorated goalie the franchise has ever had - by a mile - the team has chosen to hang on to him and now training camp is starting and he's the most popular guy in the city. If they don't trade Luongo, and he's on the bench on opening night, what's going through your head? Knowing that an all-star goaltender is on the bench, ready to step in, and potentially even steal back his job. Not exactly confidence inspiring, is it?

It's a great thing you slug, what a tandem, i feel great not trading Lou till the dead line if that what needs to happen. A shorten season will mean more rest for our two goalies which could equal a fresh playoff start that we lack. GO HOME!!!! Play on your own boards!!!
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:22 PM

Toronto say no. They won't do it. Four quality pieces? You're crazy. Bozak had 47 points in only 73 games last year - he's a top 6 C in TO, and they can't afford to lose him. Kadri is their only skilled center prospect and scoring a ppg in the AHL - the Leafs and their fans are very high on him. Go to the Leafs board and propose that and watch them flame you! Franson will be a big part of their blueline without the disappointing Schenn around - Franson will be a top 4 - they can't afford to move him! And a pick on top of that. That is a definite top 35 pick!! Almost a low first rounder. Nonis laughs and hangs up.


I have talked to alot of leafs fans on HF actually.

Your wrong on Franson, he isn't a top 4 Dman on there team, infact last year he was barely a top 6 Dman and he also doesn't really like being there. They have a # of guys in contention for the bottom line spot, so Franson isn't a huge part of there team, Franson isn't as valuable as you think, Tanev is better than him.

Kadri is a good prospect but is likely to be in any deal, also under Carlyle who knows if he will be on the team? His spot isn't a sure thing by anymeans, but as I said is likely in any deal for us involving TO.

Bozak got 47 points playing on the top line, that was a top line that ripped it up, Lupul had 67 Points and Kessel had over 80, you would think Bozak would get a bit better point totals, he is a decent player, a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd/3rd tweener, he is a pending UFA so his value really isn't all that high, as for center's they have other guys, Connolly was in that 1st line spot before he got hurt, then Grabovksi in the 2nd spot, then Lombardi and McClement can also fill top 9 spots down the middle, then also maybe Colbourne and/or JVR can take top 9 center spots.

the 2nd isn't a top 35 pick, that team is a playoff team with Roberto Luongo, that pick is more like 45 - 55 overall (15 - 25)
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

It's a great thing you slug, what a tandem, i feel great not trading Lou till the dead line if that what needs to happen. A shorten season will mean more rest for our two goalies which could equal a fresh playoff start that we lack. GO HOME!!!! Play on your own boards!!!


The Leafs boards lack the quality of debate that exists here at CDC.

Keep Luo at least as long as Eddie needs to get healthy and rolling.
Actually keep Luo period - hoarding goalies is smart considering the scarcity out there - and spending 13% of the cap on 18% of the positions is perfectly reasonable, sensible, at the very least....intelligent even.
And keep Luo as long as it takes for King to spill his marbles entirely! ::D
He won't make it much longer. No one understands! Can't they see how disastrous this is?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:27 PM

I have talked to alot of leafs fans on HF actually.

Your wrong on Franson, he isn't a top 4 Dman on there team, infact last year he was barely a top 6 Dman and he also doesn't really like being there. They have a # of guys in contention for the bottom line spot, so Franson isn't a huge part of there team, Franson isn't as valuable as you think, Tanev is better than him.

Kadri is a good prospect but is likely to be in any deal, also under Carlyle who knows if he will be on the team? His spot isn't a sure thing by anymeans, but as I said is likely in any deal for us involving TO.

Bozak got 47 points playing on the top line, that was a top line that ripped it up, Lupul had 67 Points and Kessel had over 80, you would think Bozak would get a bit better point totals, he is a decent player, a 3rd liner, maybe 2nd/3rd tweener, he is a pending UFA so his value really isn't all that high, as for center's they have other guys, Connolly was in that 1st line spot before he got hurt, then Grabovksi in the 2nd spot, then Lombardi and McClement can also fill top 9 spots down the middle, then also maybe Colbourne and/or JVR can take top 9 center spots.

the 2nd isn't a top 35 pick, that team is a playoff team with Roberto Luongo, that pick is more like 45 - 55 overall (15 - 25)


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

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Was watching Family Guy earlier and Brian started signing that, anyways do you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

Was watching Family Guy earlier and Brian started signing that, anyways do you have anything meaningful to add to the discussion?


You been rick rolled.

"I have talked to alot of leafs fans on HF actually."

This explains a lot.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:36 PM

You been rick rolled.

"I have talked to alot of leafs fans on HF actually."

This explains a lot.


What do you think I am wrong about?

Do you think that they will finish in the bottom 5 with Roberto?

Do you think Franson is a top 4 defensemen and is better than Tanev?

Do you think Bozak is a top 6 forward?

Do you think Kadri is on the team for sure?

Do you think Kadri and Bozak aren't likely expendable in this negotiation?

What is it.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:41 PM

What do you think I am wrong about?

Do you think that they will finish in the bottom 5 with Roberto?

Do you think Franson is a top 4 defensemen and is better than Tanev?

Do you think Bozak is a top 6 forward?

Do you think Kadri is on the team for sure?

Do you think Kadri and Bozak aren't likely expendable in this negotiation?

What is it.


There's nothing wrong with your proposal Smashian.

But to answer your questions.

No.
No - but on the Leafs, yes.
No - but on the Leafs, yes.
No.
Don't know who Nonis considers "expendable".

I don't mind your deal but I'd substitute Frattin for Kadri - I've already gone on about why I don't think both Bozak and Kadri in a deal makes sense to either side - and I think Frattin will be a solid NHLer with some grit and goal scoring punch - good for the Canucks depth at RW, good competition for Kassian and Jensen, and a different kind of player than either of them.

Edited by oldnews, 13 January 2013 - 08:49 PM.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

There's nothing wrong with your proposal Smashian.


Then why did you say it was so bad....?

You confuse me dude.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:51 PM

Then why did you say it was so bad....?

You confuse me dude.


Did the critique of your proposal have a ring of familiarity?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

Did the critique of your proposal have a ring of familiarity?


No because I don't think the proposals were similar.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:01 PM

No because I don't think the proposals were similar.


Not the proposal - the critique.
But anyway...expendable Leafs aren't worth much to the Canucks.
What is expendable to the Leafs? I'd have to say the list starts with Connolly, Lombardi, Komisarek...they have their share.
But do you think Kadri makes the Canucks better? If so, how? And if not, why waste any value whatsoever on him?
You confuse me too Smashian.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

Not the proposal - the critique.
But anyway...expendable Leafs aren't worth much to the Canucks.
What is expendable to the Leafs? I'd have to say the list starts with Connolly, Lombardi, Komisarek...they have their share.
But do you think Kadri makes the Canucks better? If so, how? And if not, why waste any value whatsoever on him?
You confuse me too Smashian.


Well first off Kadri isn't the only guy we get, we do get other things that help us more immediately.

Kadri might help us now, in a top 6 role till Kesler gets back, but if not he will be a huge asset in the future, he will add a ton of quality to a prospect pool that has alot more quantity than quality.

And as MG said today we need something that will help us now and something for the future, this proposal addresses those concerns to a tee.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

Well first off Kadri isn't the only guy we get, we do get other things that help us more immediately.

Kadri might help us now, in a top 6 role till Kesler gets back, but if not he will be a huge asset in the future, he will add a ton of quality to a prospect pool that has alot more quantity than quality.

And as MG said today we need something that will help us now and something for the future, this proposal addresses those concerns to a tee.


As you say: Kadri might help

Luongo might not help the leafs, he will help the leafs.

So why trade for a might help?
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