Dogbyte Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Luongo will be a leaf by Sunday.. if not I will eat my toque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'd argue there's a much different dynamic at work here than when he was in Vancouver. Not comparable at all. Vancouver ownership was hands off and not worried about marketing vs. 'building a winner'. We have been very fortunate with the Griffiths, even McCaw, and now Acquilini are 'hockey guys' with patience. Rogers and Bell 1. Overpaid for MLSE for one reason. The synergies with their media business. I know this for a fact because I worked for a firm that represented one of the sides in the transaction and know the financial models inside out. 2. So therefore they need to 'market' the team and what sells the team after not making the playoffs for 8 years and after a lockout, making the playoffs. 3. How do they do that, address their biggest weakness next to center, goalie. 4. Make a splash and get fans excited to watch the game every night and sell the advertising.... Nonis is in a MUCH different position sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuretoMogilny Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I agree with you that there is a different dynamic. It is also interesting that you had an inside perspective into the whole thing. I think we are just talking about two different things. I think that, regardless of the ownership dynamic (hands off like the Aquilinis, or business strategists like the current MLSE group), Nonis still has his principles/philosophy, and is willing to follow those principles regardless of outside pressure. Nonis was mentored by Burke and thus is not likely to have a radically different perspective, which is why I think that Nonis' replacing of Burke won't have a major impact on a trade for Luongo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surtur Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 i bet if Lu goes to Toronto his jersey will set records with how fast they sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 For those who remember the 98/99 fiasco..Somewhere right now, Mike Keenan is grinning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NP-4815162342 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Yes let's get kadri and gardiner who have no spot in our line-up much rather bozak + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 TO's a team(flush with cash) that might take on a couple lousy deals, only to buy out-if they get some young stud prospects in a package. This would allow them to replenish the youth they'd send our way for Roberto. This summer they'll be VERY active. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I'd argue there's a much different dynamic at work here than when he was in Vancouver. Not comparable at all. Vancouver ownership was hands off and not worried about marketing vs. 'building a winner'. We have been very fortunate with the Griffiths, even McCaw, and now Acquilini are 'hockey guys' with patience. Rogers and Bell 1. Overpaid for MLSE for one reason. The synergies with their media business. I know this for a fact because I worked for a firm that represented one of the sides in the transaction and know the financial models inside out. 2. So therefore they need to 'market' the team and what sells the team after not making the playoffs for 8 years and after a lockout, making the playoffs. 3. How do they do that, address their biggest weakness next to center, goalie. 4. Make a splash and get fans excited to watch the game every night and sell the advertising.... Nonis is in a MUCH different position sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 hmmm, isn't Toronto short of one new loud mouth mayor that hates the media and has very little personality? I don't think Burke would get Don Cherry's vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Quote from Nonis "we have a short time to make some key decisions...." "need to get the green light on decisions...." "decisions to make on certain players/contracts" *cough* bet he wants to pull the trigger on Luongo (Burke didn't for the price). Knowing Nonis in the past, he'll do a similar deal that brought Lui to Vancouver. Original deal was Auld,Bertuzzi and Allen for Krajicek, Lui and a pick. Look for Nonis to overpay (maybe Gardiner, Bozak, Kadri for Lui and Raymond with conditional picks both ways?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 It is naïve to think one issue (Lou) would trigger the firing. I speculate that the goaltending issue may have been the final straw but hardly the sole reason. It's not about hockey but $$$, Burke more than likely didn't fit the image MLSE would like to go forward with. Nonis is a likeable guy, quiet and somewhat humble; a far easier sell to non-trad markets.....meaning the multi-cultural aspect of the GTA. The Leafs are the most valuable team in the NHL, just think what a successful team would add to the coffers. Building from the goal out is what Burke promised & failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 We're not going to pry Gardiner out of them. Especially since they already moved Schenn. Nonis severely underpaid in getting Luongo the first time. Now he's significantly older, and his GM is under the gun to move him. Why would he have to now severely overpay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Is that because you are a leaf fan or because you hate the leafs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 "In Burke We Trust" - Leaf fans LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Don Taylor on the Team adamant that Burke was fired due to 'personal reasons'? Has Burke ever had personal reasons to be fired from TO? Doesn't make a lot of sense...to me it seems just having a poor playoff record, bad deals, and bad asset management (including lack of Luongo deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Because it's not a severe overpayment? People on here just undervalue Luongo big time. The fact is he's still a number 1 goalie and a top name player in the NHL. Someone was using Rick Nash as a basis for a trade in another thread. He was traded for Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, and a 1st round pick. Surely Luongo can get a couple prospects back in a trade. No matter how overrated they are on these boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Mike Gillis on Burke news: "I think it's terribly unfortunate. I know I was shocked when I heard the news. I wish Brian the best." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eretz canucks Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 What ppl are forgetting, is WE NEED CENTERMEN!!! I'd do Luongo for Bozak, Kadri, 2013 first. That's fairish. Alternatively we trade for Gardiner and flip him or Edler to Philly for couturier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 At first I was extremely shocked, and I still am to an extent I just don't see why they would do it now as apposed to sooner. But I think Nonis could do a solid job and hopefully he will step up and grab Lu like I think he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Mike Gillis on Burke news: "I think it's terribly unfortunate. I know I was shocked when I heard the news. I wish Brian the best." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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