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#1 Teemu Selšnne

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:17 AM

in the early days of the shortened 2012-13 season it appears he may be poised to struggle through his most difficult season in a Leaf uniform yet.


Kessel appears ill-conditioned, isolated, troubled or simply massively unlucky, or some combination of those.
Whatever the case, it is becoming difficult to imagine a scenario in which Kessel remains a Leaf beyond the end of this season.


​Unlike Burke, Nonis doesn’t have to defend the Kessel deal. No better way to cut ties with the past and move on than to move this player.


Now, given the state of the team and the 25-year-old Kessel’s contractual status going forward, the April 3 trade deadline looms as the unofficial deadline to move this player, and there will be takers.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

Kessel had 82 points/82 games last year & 64/82 the year before.

So far has 2 assists/0 goals in 5 games this year.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:21 AM

Oh no! here's come the Luongo + ballard + [insert crap here] vs Kessel proposal.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

Interesting speculation, but I would be very surprised if the Leafs move Kessel, to be honest.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

Oh no! here's come the Luongo + ballard + [insert crap here] vs Kessel proposal.


Haha, probably.

Kessel would be an awesome deadline day addition for any contender though, esp. considering his playoff numbers with Boston a few years back.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:24 AM

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:25 AM

Damien Cox is never wrong!!!!

Edit: Its difficult to imagine a scenario where anyone should listen to Cox.

Edited by Aladeen, 06 February 2013 - 05:59 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:28 AM

Damien Cox talks a lot without thinking about the consequences, but it is an interesting point - esp. the part about Nonis having no need to protect the deal.

If Luongo is moved to a different team, maybe the Canucks could move some future parts for him, if that's the way Nonis is going to go.

A package something like:

1st round pick
Mason Raymond
Prospect
Asset acquired in a separate Luongo deal (another pick?)

Burrows - Kesler - Kessel
Higgins - Schroeder - Booth
Malhotra - Lapierre - Hansen

That would be a deadly bottom-9 going into the playoffs and great depth, esp. if Schroeder continues to get more comfortable at the NHL level. Probably also important for Nonis to try to move Kessel to the West conference.

Edited by Teemu Selšnne, 28 January 2013 - 11:29 AM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

I wouldn't mind having a game breaker like him on the team.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

Interesting speculation, but I would be very surprised if the Leafs move Kessel, to be honest.


Same, especially after committing to Lupul long term
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

Same, especially after committing to Lupul long term


Yeah, very good point when you consider their chemistry.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:36 AM

The guy had 82 points last season. He's off to a slow start and they already believe he shouldn't belong in Toronto? LOL LEAFS!
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:37 AM

http://www.thestar.c...phil-kessel-cox

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Speculation's just fine, although I'm not too sure Nonis agrees. Granted, the potential raise he might be interested in might be prohibitive to the Leafs wanting to keep him, but unless they get significant return I don't see how they can move him without it being seen as a total loss (even though he's putting up points).

Damien Cox talks a lot without thinking about the consequences, but it is an interesting point - esp. the part about Nonis having no need to protect the deal.

If Luongo is moved to a different team, maybe the Canucks could move some future parts for him, if that's the way Nonis is going to go.

A package something like:

1st round pick
Mason Raymond
Prospect
Asset acquired in a separate Luongo deal (another pick?)

Burrows - Kesler - Kessel
Higgins - Schroeder - Booth
Malhotra - Lapierre - Hansen

That would be a deadly bottom-9 going into the playoffs and great depth, esp. if Schroeder continues to get more comfortable at the NHL level. Probably also important for Nonis to try to move Kessel to the West conference.

I don't see why we'd do that at all. A pure shooter would be nice, but we don't want him at his price tag right now, let alone on his next deal. It'd be one thing if they took Booth and Ballard off our hands in return but we'd rather keep the other assets and the Leafs would say no deal.

The guy had 82 points last season. He's off to a slow start and they already believe he shouldn't belong in Toronto? LOL LEAFS!

Yup, Cox trolls all fanbases, but strangely enough some Leafs fans might go for this one - especially if they don't make the playoffs yet again.

Edited by elvis15, 28 January 2013 - 11:41 AM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

Speculation's just fine, although I'm not too sure Nonis agrees. Granted, the potential raise he might be interested in might be prohibitive to the Leafs wanting to keep him, but unless they get significant return I don't see how they can move him without it being seen as a total loss (even though he's putting up points).


A playoff contender might overpay for him at the deadline?

Roster player + Prospect + a 1st + a 2nd would be beneficial long-term to the Leafs IMO, but it depends how fast they expect Nonis to get them to the 8th seed. Burke clearly was just trying to get into the playoffs and not create a sustainably good team, but Nonis hasn't shown where he stands either way so far, albeit he did sign Lupul in long term.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

Luongo + some prospects/picks for Kessel would seem to make a lot of sense for both teams.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:54 AM

Luongo + some prospects/picks for Kessel would seem to make a lot of sense for both teams.


Depends whether Nonis is going to focus on the future and a rebuild or trying to sneak into the playoffs now a la Brian Burke.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

No way in hell TO moves Kessel. They lost too much for him. Seguin and Hamilton and a 2nd is what they lost for who they considered the franchise player. TO didn't give up that much so they could trade him in 3 years.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Luongo + some prospects/picks for Kessel would seem to make a lot of sense for both teams.


Very tough to fit Kessel in under the cap. The canucks are going to have a hard time getting under next year's cap. Here's a scenario where they replace Luongo + Ballard + Higgins + Raymond with cheap contracts and add Kessel:




FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Phil Kessel ($5.400m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m)
Zach Kassian ($0.870m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.250m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.650m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.250m) / Dale Weise ($0.725m)
Steve Pinizzotto ($0.600m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Alexander Edler ($5.000m)
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Kevin Connauton ($0.750m) / Chris Tanev ($1.250m)

GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,445,000; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $0,805,000


Almost no wiggle room at all.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:11 PM

Kessel is UFA at end of next season.

I've always thought he would leave as UFA. If I was Kessel there is no way I re-sign in TO.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

Man, TO gave up their future for this guy, why would they let him go?
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:25 PM

Kessel is a goalscorer, and in that respects has been absolute money for Toronto. He has 99 goals in the 3 seasons he's been there, the whole time having no legitimate 1st line center and being the only real target of the oppositions' shutdown crews.

Cox is an idiot. There's practically no way they trade him. However, if they do, it won't be for Luongo. They'd have nothing to put in front of him! So they'd be going for full-on rebuild. They'd want young guys and/or top picks.

A Kessel trade would be similar to the Carter and Richards trades to LA. It would be a team blessed with an over-abundance of young studs moves some of them to load up and compete now (Washington offering Forsberg and Neuvirth to land them some much needed secondary scoring before the season slips through their fingers). Or a team that has the young guys, but is sick of losing (Islanders offering Neiderreiter and Strome to get Kessel with Tavares). We simply don't have young players of that stature to offer, and the few solid ones we have we need to hang on to.

So yeah...very unlikely that he gets traded, and even then, zero chance to Vancouver.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Kessel with Kesler and Kassian would become the KKK line. Hockey fans already hate the Canucks, that would just make it worse lol
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:26 PM

Kessel is UFA at end of next season.

I've always thought he would leave as UFA. If I was Kessel there is no way I re-sign in TO.



If Kessel doesn't re-sign and leaves TO, he would be 100x more hated than Vince Carter.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:28 PM

Man, TO gave up their future for this guy, why would they let him go?


It's not about letting him go. Note the mention of "contract situation" in Cox's speculative report. Kessel will be UFA at end of next season.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

If Kessel doesn't re-sign and leaves TO, he would be 100x more hated than Vince Carter.




I doubt Kessel would lose any sleep over it but yeah, he pbbly would be hated by TO media and fans. He already left Boston on bad terms, doubt he's thinking about what Boston fans and media say about him while collecting $5.4 mill per year.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:32 PM

the issue is does Kessel want to stay? if he doesn't, then there's nothing Toronto can do come July 4th. He'll just walk.
If this is the case, they need to trade him before the dead line.

I think we could use a player like kessel but it might cost us too much. And we probably would only have him in a shortened season.
It would have to be a serious cup run.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:34 PM

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Phil Kessel is a different kind of guy but getting traded to Toronto when he did for who he got traded for isn't Kessel's fault.
A lot more rests on this guy's shoulders than should. That said he needs to go. I agree, if I was Kessel there's no way I'd resign in Toronto for the same reason's Burke couldn't sign any decent free agents. Even with Burke gone the smell remains of his tenure and the fact Burke did not change the culture he inherited but made it worse is ever so evident on how many people came to his defense after he got fired. Burke made things worse by his demeanor and silly antics towards media and agents. An agent is a key person in luring a good free agent to your team.

None of the above is Kessel's fault and for those reason's he won't sign in Toronto. So Nonis needs to get rid of him to get something for him or the optics will even be worse on the Kessel trade out come.

It's going to be a long time before good free agents flock to Toronto, they'll need to see great change. That's going to be some time in coming.

The Rumor of Gretzky joining Toronto would go a long way in stabilizing Toronto. That's not going to happen until the NHL makes good on the way they treated Gretzky in the Phoenix dealings. Another mess of an organization.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:42 PM

Again, if Kessel has told Nonis he will not re-sign, and he gets traded, it will be for young studs, top prospects, and/or top picks.

It certainly will not be for an aging goaltender, an overpaid #5 D-man, and a streaky perimeter player with a damaged back.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

Nonis will wait for burkes next gig and trade him there for 2 firsts
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 12:55 PM

Luongo + some prospects/picks for Kessel would seem to make a lot of sense for both teams.

No it wouldn't. First there's the cap, then that we give up Luongo+ to get Kessel. That's not a deal Gillis is after involving Luongo.

Again, if Kessel has told Nonis he will not re-sign, and he gets traded, it will be for young studs, top prospects, and/or top picks.

It certainly will not be for an aging goaltender, an overpaid #5 D-man, and a streaky perimeter player with a damaged back.

A couple Leafs fans are amenable to the idea on the ProHockeyTalk site, and there are some Phoenix fans chiming in as well. One Phoenix fan wanted to trade Yandle straight up for Kessel (at least value is reasonable) since he felt Yandle was "a turnover machine" and another thought Rundblad and a 2nd would cut it.

Here's a proposal from what Toronto would want back: Kessel to Phoenix in return for Gormley, Lessio and a 2nd at least.
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