DaMacNamedDre Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Look at the Leafs since they added toughness into their lineup....now sitting 4th in the league. With Mark Fraser, Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren, Mike Brown, Dino Phaneuf, Franson etc, the Leafs are now one of the toughest team in the NHL. I don't think even the Bruins can intimdate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderTwinPowers Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 The Leafs looked great beating up the Habs the other night. Dominated them physically. I think Carlyle and Nonis are on right track, beasts win playoff series not soccer player types. Having that much sandpaper in the lineup is the way to go imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Toughness comes out in the playoffs when the whistles get put away. This is why we will continue to lose, no matter how much success we have in the regular season. Mark my words, same thing will happen in April/May just like the last few years past. Team's know how to win against the Canuck's is with toughness and intimidation. It's a shame. This is a great team and it is being limited/exposed by this one underlying factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 The same amount the big tough Leafs have won since we came in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 as far as I know, Brian Burke has been adding toughness to his team since 2008. Since then his team missed the playoffs 4 straight times, not once did his team come close to making the playoffs. Faaaaar from a winning formula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garthsbutcher Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 That's exactly what I mean....if we have a forth liner who can't fight but put on 15 points a season, that's OK. We continue to fool ourselves by saying that our 4th liner are better than other teams who have legit enforcrers, but at the end of the year, the stats can't back that up. Our 4th liners such as Volpatti or Weise are no better than guys like Thronton, Orr, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 no enforcers are useless take penalties it will cost us game.........see Ben Eager he cost the sharks the WCF because of bad penalty..........we will never have some useless player in the fourth line GO CHEER FOR A NEW TEam Skill--->Enforcers who take penalty and cost games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 no enforcers are useless take penalties it will cost us game.........see Ben Eager he cost the sharks the WCF because of bad penalty..........we will never have some useless player in the fourth line GO CHEER FOR A NEW TEam Skill--->Enforcers who take penalty and cost games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Understand Posted February 15, 2013 Author Share Posted February 15, 2013 no enforcers are useless take penalties it will cost us game.........see Ben Eager he cost the sharks the WCF because of bad penalty..........we will never have some useless player in the fourth line GO CHEER FOR A NEW TEam Skill--->Enforcers who take penalty and cost games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwnstar Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Look at the Leafs since they added toughness into their lineup....now sitting 4th in the league. With Mark Fraser, Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren, Mike Brown, Dino Phaneuf, Franson etc, the Leafs are now one of the toughest team in the NHL. I don't think even the Bruins can intimdate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 This. The Leafs are winning because they are getting contribution from their youngsters. They have more depth on their roster than they have had in years. Toughness is but a small component of a winning team, depth matters a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Kassian, Lappierre, Volpatti, Weise, Bieksa, Vandemeer (if called up) Nucks have the grit they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 This whole conversation is moot because the only people still saying we're soft are people who are parroting what was said last year. We don't have people bowling over our goalies, our team is clearing the crease exceptionally well (which is the real reason Schneids and Luo look so amazing out there) and we throw down whenever it suits us. Kass gave Eager a concussion with 2 punches. Anaheim tried gooning it up with us to no avail (they just got frustrated). Minnesota got free reign from the refs to slash, board, hold and do whatever they liked to us last game and they still couldn't pull it out. Toughness is not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyking Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Bingo, the Gillis pacifist ideology is all that's preventing us from winning a cup. Just adding those two extra muscle guys that can play on the fourth line would do it. Not beating up Duncan Kieth sent out the signal that we're going to take another beating this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 you can't beat up someone who doesn't want to fight and you can't hit someone as allusive as Keith. Unless you are going to jump him like bert did to moore but I really doubt you will find a fourth liner who has 50 million dollars to give away for ending his career It will not matter how many tough guys you got not one is going to fight Keith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Canucks tougness is far superior to the leafs at least canucks can score hit unlike the leafs which can do all three Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Pretty sure goal tending and team defence has been the winning formula for most if not all Cup winners. With that said I do agree the Canucks need to dress a bonafide tough guy - problem is who gets sent down so Vandermeer can be called up. And he doesn't need to play defence - he has played forward in the past and I'd rather have him than Dale (I'm a punching bag) Weise on the 4th line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I won't disagree that toughness is a needed ingredient, but It's far from a proven formula. Since the lockout the only Anaheim Boston and LA have won the cup playing that style of hockey, if you look at Carolina, Detroit, Pittsburgh and Chicago they were more skill teams rather than tough teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey Coach12 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Well, here is my take on this issue. You don't have to have a team full of bruisers to win the Cup. The Nucks are positioned fairly well if the skilled guys would get back to scoring and putting more shots on net. Now, I know I will get flamed for this but take a good look at the Hawks this year. They are off to a scorching start, and they have a few tough guys, but are winning games through skill and puck possession. They have Bollig, Brookbank and Roszival, but other than that, they really don't have much in the way of grit. The magic formula to winning the cup is having a great balance and tons of team chemistry, guys that always know where their teammates are on the ice, so they can set them up for the score. The Nucks have a great amount of skill, especially if Kes gets back to form soon, and I think that this team could make a real decent run at the Cup without adding a goon that takes up a roster spot. Flame away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Toughness comes out in the playoffs when the whistles get put away. This is why we will continue to lose, no matter how much success we have in the regular season. Mark my words, same thing will happen in April/May just like the last few years past. Team's know how to win against the Canuck's is with toughness and intimidation. It's a shame. This is a great team and it is being limited/exposed by this one underlying factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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