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#1 Nuxfanabroad

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:17 PM

Seeing some teams losing D-men, especially Ottawa today. What would be fair to receive from them(don't know much about their prospects). Tough to break up a good thing; but Tanev is so solid he'd probably smoothly move on with another pairing.

It helps us to prepare for next year's Cap adjustment.

As Gillis stated in the Luo potential move, we should only do this if a team will overpay. Right now it appears Ottawa might.

Would like to see a proposal or two(with a slight overpayment), from any who know their prospects(supposedly well-stocked) well-thanks.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Craig Anderson has been a beast this year, there's no way they're trading for Luo.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Don't forget about Colorado, Erik Johnson is out now indefinitely.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:28 PM

Powerice-No, as per title, I'm suggesting Ballard to Ottawa.

@Vintage: Yeah, these D-injuries are piling up, making our genius gm appear rather prescient. So does he take a chance(smite while the iron's hot)? Or is it too risky to deal Ballard? With the guys we have, #7-10, I say make a deal if Ottawa would overpay.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:29 PM

Don't forget about Colorado, Erik Johnson is out now indefinitely.

Don't forget about Colorado, Erik Johnson is out now indefinitely.


No way we are trading with Col or LA
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:36 PM

Don't forget about Colorado, Erik Johnson is out now indefinitely.

O'Reilly? :bigblush:
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:41 PM

Nighthawk:What you have to recognize though, is the effect upon supply/demand. More teams are losing D to injury, thus, there are less to potentially deal. Remember what they say about a bucket of ice(w/cooler!) in the desert.

Furthermore, you've got a shortened season where gm's have to think fast. It appears a perfect storm, with Gillis predicting like a meteorologist!

There are strong similarities with the current D AND goaltender-shortage, league-wide. I can hear Gillis'cell ringing as we type...
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:02 PM

Wow... a trade involving Ballard. That's never happened on CDC.

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for trading off underachieving high-paid players in preparation of next season's lowered cap. But I still don't think Ballard has a ton of trade value... despite his solid play this season.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

With the horrible injury to Karlsson, do you think that the Senators may pay a reasonable price for him?
I think Ballard has played well this year and is a top 4 dman on many teams.
Ballard is not in the category as Karlsson but he would help the Sens out a lot and they have a lot of cap space.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

http://forum.canucks...et-la-losing-d/

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:17 PM

http://forum.canucks...et-la-losing-d/

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:20 PM

No way we are trading with Col or LA


Why wouldn't we trade with Colorado? They're not a threat to us in anyway and they have a guy that we could really use. Ryan O'reilly would look sweet in a Canucks jersey.
We would have to give more than just Ballard but that would be a pretty sweet starting point.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:21 PM

http://forum.canucks...et-la-losing-d/

:)


Missed that. Thank you.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:26 PM

Although I do believe this is

a. the best time to trade him for a higher return and;

b. a better alternative to the all but certain decision to buy him out in the off-season for no other reason than cap reasons.

I worry that if we DO trade him, a devastating injury may happen shortly after, being a detriment to our defense.

Not to mention we do not necessarily have a replacement that is near the skill that Ballard possesses. I would prefer not to see Alberts or Barker as a permanent fixture in our top 6 this season. Maybe Vandermeer could suffice, I don't know..
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

I'd rather keep Ballard, he's quietly been one of our best guys on the blueline. We shouldn't trade any of our defencemen anyway or we'll be lacking depth once again. I like having Barker and Vandermeer as backup options, but only if one of our top-6 get injured - until then they hopefully won't play a game.

Honestly the Canucks have the best top-6 in the NHL without a doubt, and you win defences with championships, so why bother trading away our great depth? Ballard is playing like a 3-4 million dollar guy now which he hasn't been doing his whole tenure as a Canuck, let's not trade him now.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:46 PM

Why wouldn't we trade with Colorado? They're not a threat to us in anyway and they have a guy that we could really use. Ryan O'reilly would look sweet in a Canucks jersey.
We would have to give more than just Ballard but that would be a pretty sweet starting point.


Sam division, play them more than any other team, knowing how ex-players of many teams play well against former teams...do I need to continue?
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:04 PM

Sam division, play them more than any other team, knowing how ex-players of many teams play well against former teams...do I need to continue?


We're not talking about Luongo, Schneider or Kesler. I doubt Ballard would become a Canuck killer.

Anyhow, even if he is overpaid for his role, Ballard has a lot of value to the Canucks for this season. There's no internal replacement for him. I don't see him getting traded.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:09 PM

Unless we get a return we can't refuse, I say keep Ballard for this season. I don't trust any of our scratched D in a permanent role.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:29 PM

If we trade Ballard and somehow pick up another dman in a Luongo deal let's say Carlson for example, then I think it would make sense. If not than I say keep Ballard.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

Nothing less than a 1st.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:48 PM

Ballard and Sauve for Johan Franzen.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:15 PM

I'd rather keep Ballard, he's quietly been one of our best guys on the blueline.


Wow really.. Your the one saying this....? :blink:

First you went from: "Tanev has been carrying Ballard"

To: "Ballard has quietly been one of our best guys on the blueline"

Wow.. I like it. Glad to see you noticed his strong play just like the rest of us.

And to the OP, no reason for us to trade away our strength just to help out other teams, everything about our team is great, no reason to mess with that.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

Ballard's been really good this year. Great skater, blocks shots, not afraid to drop the mitts, good passer, I'd much prefer if we kept him; our D if a top 4 goes down (which is likely) without Ballard doesn't look so great:
I'll use the least harmful top 4 going town to illustrate my point (Garrison)

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Tanev
Alberts-Barker
Vandermeer

Keep the depth on the blueline please Gillis.

Edited by Number14, 14 February 2013 - 03:41 AM.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:03 AM

Do you put the smiley face so people don't bag on you ?


Do you have a signature of a pubescent blond girl so people will think you are a dumb blonde? .. :)
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

If we trade Ballard and somehow pick up another dman in a Luongo deal let's say Carlson for example, then I think it would make sense. If not than I say keep Ballard.

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Imagine that for a starting 6? One can dream


Good thinking, Mr. Lennon ..
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:04 AM

To paraphrase Gillis on a 'tender-deal. We'll listen if a team would meet our demands on trade-return.

I believe he should apply this answer to Ballard & Booth, as well. Also think we'll be disappointed getting a weak return on these guys, after the season ends.

Don't see the window closing as quickly as I've heard others say. It's interesting to watch the kids like Kassian & Schroeder emerge-add more to the youth & size if the opportunity is presented. JMHO.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 12:27 AM

Do you have a signature of a pubescent blond girl so people will think you are a dumb blonde? .. :)

So glad bb is gone... ::D

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 01:46 PM

It would be nice if Ottawa panics and gives us Neil for Ballard

Even though i like Keith and hes playing very well. Chris is a playoff warrior and the type of player that would put us over the top.
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Posted 14 February 2013 - 03:11 PM

Sam division, play them more than any other team, knowing how ex-players of many teams play well against former teams...do I need to continue?

Calgary once traded Theo Fluery to Colorado.... No, its ok.... Keep going

I agree and see your point but those inter division trades are not uncommon. I too would love to get O'Reilly, but we gonna have to pay alot. Payments to a sure rising star that is still only 21/22 is also well worth it but would we have cap space for 3.75/4 mil

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:27 PM

Seeing some teams losing D-men, especially Ottawa today. What would be fair to receive from them(don't know much about their prospects). Tough to break up a good thing; but Tanev is so solid he'd probably smoothly move on with another pairing.

It helps us to prepare for next year's Cap adjustment.

As Gillis stated in the Luo potential move, we should only do this if a team will overpay. Right now it appears Ottawa might.

Would like to see a proposal or two(with a slight overpayment), from any who know their prospects(supposedly well-stocked) well-thanks.


We need defense too. No reason to help other teams for no reason. Ballard's playing well and gives us a solid top-six. Only reason to deal Ballard right now is if Gillis plans to find a better defenseman at the same time.
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