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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

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Every single time Canucks lose a game, the most common "explanation" one can read on CDC is whining about how wrong (or biased) the officiating was or how bad calls occurred. Crap. We don't lose because of referees. If we lost, it was because the opponents outplayed us and scored more goals than we did. Referees are people, they do make mistakes. Bad calls are part of the game and they need to be handled and overcomed in the same way as opponent's forwards, defensemen and goalies. The players know it, the coaching staff knows it...only, who apparently doesn't, are crybabies from CDC.

Please, stop with that BS and act like men. No one likes a whiner.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

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Every single time Canucks lose a game, the most common "explanation" one can read on CDC is whining about how wrong (or biased) the officiating was or how bad calls occurred. Crap. We don't lose because of referees. If we lost, it was because the opponents outplayed us and scored more goals than we did. Referees are people, they do make mistakes. Bad calls are part of the game and they need to be handled and overcomed in the same way as opponent's forwards, defensemen and goalies. The players know it, the coaching staff knows it...only, who apparently doesn't, are crybabies from CDC.

Please, stop with that BS and act like men. No one likes a whiner.

Greetings from Prague, Czech Republic, Europe.


This is not the reason for every loss.

Hard to always win when the rules keep changing.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:02 PM

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You obviously don't ever watch the NHL. The officiating in the league is BUSH. Take a look at the NFL or basketball, heck even the MLB, and you will notice officiating that far surpasses the NHL. It isn't only against the Canucks, but poor and biased reffing happens a lot against us.

Were the officiating in this league better the NHL would be sooooooo much better.

Last nights game against Calgary was ruined by the refs, something the refs do all the time. A game is going great, super exciting, and then they make a bone head call either by mistake or just so they can (they think) make it more exciting, when really all they are doing is ruining it.

You may think everyone is crying but I for one am sick of the officiating in this league, whether it works for, or against us.

Edited by Jester13, 04 March 2013 - 03:02 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:04 PM

Alright here we go,

It's not just Canucks games that are ref'd like 2 year olds (actually, shouldn't be dissing 2 year olds), other games around the league are ref'd like crap as well. And yes, the ref can determine the outcome of the game.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:06 PM

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You obviously haven't watched a single NHL game in your life, there is 0 accountability on the referees part and any team that questions the referees gets a slap in the face by the NHL
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:13 PM

Huh...

If the ref's would stop all the BAD/BIASED officiating, maybe we wouldnt have the excuse...
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:17 PM

Unfortunately, refs are gods and the NHL doesn't give a sh*t about it
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

Jester13> Yes, it was the last game against CGY that made me to start with this topic. Tremendous amount of whining when CGY scored a goal after AV's penalty. But...we didn't lose because of refs. We lost because we were not able to shred the 3rd-string team to pieces for 58 previous minutes. For whatever reason.

Sorry. I come from a country where there was a HUGE affair about REALLY biased officiating in soccer (including corruption etc.). Even in THAT case teams were able to overcome this. And it is a damn difference to have bad calls in a sport where no or single goal in the whole match are quite normal when comparing to hockey.

And as you mentioned - the bad calls/errors are affecting all teams. Not only us. They are simply part of the game. Please, accept defeats, take lessons. Do not cry.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:23 PM

Me too. Have been for years but it seems like no other organizatin or city likes to blame the refs for the loss like Vancouver does. Some accountability would be nice. And I'm not saying refs aren't incompetent at times because hell yes they are. But EVERY team deals with them and it all evens out in the end. Good teams can over come a bad penalty or two. Blaming the refs for every loss is weak and the easy way out.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

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Maybe you don't see enough games but it has been this way since the Boston game last January.

Canucks went on the offence pre-game suggesting that the refs had a job to do and they expected them to do it (Henrik) as in call a penalty a penalty. Refs actually called an even game and the Canucks made them pay and got the W.

Afterwards the Bruins players, coaches, fans, MEDIA, and OWNERSHIP hit the PR circuit and tried to discredit the victory and the Canucks approach of make them pay on the power play.

SInce that very day PP chances for the Canucks are down. Chinzy call against are up. And phantom calls come out of nowhere against the Canucks while obvious calls (Kieth's flying elbow to Sedin's head) don't get called.

Canuck fans also have long memories. We recall the explanation as to Rome's strange SCF suspension. The hit was a fraction too late, they said so they gave him the equivalent of 15 games. So in last night's game when GoonGratting runs our star player 3 seconds after the puck is gone and there is no call it is infuriating.

Meanwhile a small tug on the stick and off we go to the box. Game after game after game. Calgary's coach can jump up and down like a monkey and swear like a sailor and the refs think nothing of it. Our coach says 6 words and boom that's two, even with the game on the line. WHICH ALMOST NEVER HAPPENS.

Brown and Kopitar can dive all over the place all day long. Never an embellishment call. Danny gets tripped on a breakaway. See you later that's 2 for embellishing.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:27 PM

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Every single time Canucks lose a game, the most common "explanation" one can read on CDC is whining about how wrong (or biased) the officiating was or how bad calls occurred. Crap. We don't lose because of referees. If we lost, it was because the opponents outplayed us and scored more goals than we did. Referees are people, they do make mistakes. Bad calls are part of the game and they need to be handled and overcomed in the same way as opponent's forwards, defensemen and goalies. The players know it, the coaching staff knows it...only, who apparently doesn't, are crybabies from CDC.

Please, stop with that BS and act like men. No one likes a whiner.

Greetings from Prague, Czech Republic, Europe.

You could stand to take you're own advice. Whining about CDC whining about Reffing does not get you off the hook from being a whiner.... and with your first post too <_<
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:31 PM

Every single time Canucks lose a game, the most common "explanation" one can read on CDC is whining about how wrong (or biased) the officiating was or how bad calls occurred. Crap. We don't lose because of referees. If we lost, it was because the opponents outplayed us and scored more goals than we did. Referees are people, they do make mistakes. Bad calls are part of the game and they need to be handled and overcomed in the same way as opponent's forwards, defensemen and goalies. The players know it, the coaching staff knows it...only, who apparently doesn't, are crybabies from CDC.

Please, stop with that BS and act like men. No one likes a whiner.

Greetings from Prague, Czech Republic, Europe.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

Watching that 3rd period in Calgary, we deserved to lose. Bad call or not. AV is just upset that the refs cost us the loser point.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

coyotecanuck> Oh, come on! You are merely describing situations that happened and influenced our performance in a negative way. Yes, they did. Nobody denies it. What I am saying, good team is able to move over (which Canucks actually do) and fans should do the same.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:40 PM

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When you "make a mistake" on the job, it's explainable.

When you make constant mistakes and do your job inconsistently, you're generally warned and likely fired over time. Explanations quickly become excuses.

So, no, "human error" has it's limits. Time for competence to prevail, and that hasn't been the case.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:40 PM

Me too. Have been for years but it seems like no other organizatin or city likes to blame the refs for the loss like Vancouver does. Some accountability would be nice. And I'm not saying refs aren't incompetent at times because hell yes they are. But EVERY team deals with them and it all evens out in the end. Good teams can over come a bad penalty or two. Blaming the refs for every loss is weak and the easy way out.


Not even close.

Every team does deal with bad officiating from time to time, but it is certainly not even.

Look at the 2011 finals, how did that ever even out?
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

I will stop 'crying' over the bad games when the refs actually call a game fairly....so like never! For all of you who are saying its not happening in Vancouver its happening everywhere well doesn't that fact alone prove that there is a major problem in the NHL regarding officiating? Regardless of other factors (the team was playing badly anyways etc) if a ref manupilates the outcome of the game by handing out fake penalties it is cheating and it should no longer be accepted! You say you are sick of the whinning over the refs well OP I am sick of watching my team lose because of game mangement!
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:51 PM

The inconsistency is horrible. I just read Kerry Frasers answer to this, and it just incensed me even more.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=417373

I usually disagree with posts that start out like "this is the new WWE", but today, I am at least a little in agreement. I do not understand a reffing system where there is no accountability for the ref. It is mind boggling.

And what it actually makes me feel is disheartened and discouraged. For the collective group of players, owners and league officials to expect us to put the lockout debacle behind us and then to present us with this product, is a violation of my intelligence and patience as a fan.

I love the game, but truthfully tune much of the game out now when watching because it just gets my dander up to a level of ridiculousness over the blatant bias in the refs calls.

A sad, sad fan.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

OK, let me ask you this way: How many of you do some sort of a (team)sport where there are refs in place? And if you do - when was the last time coach came into the locker room after you lost a game and said "Hey, we've lost 'cause of refs. If there were no bad calls, we would win."

Again. Players should be (and they actually are) able to move over errors in calls. You should be too.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

:lol: Sorry, I would respond with a more detailed response, but the irony of someone whining about other people whining is a bit too much for me.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Not even close.

Every team does deal with bad officiating from time to time, but it is certainly not even.

Look at the 2011 finals, how did that ever even out?

It can never even out, no matter how long or how many cups the Canucks win, it was a disgrace and truly my favorite sport's darkest hour.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

coyotecanuck> Oh, come on! You are merely describing situations that happened and influenced our performance in a negative way. Yes, they did. Nobody denies it. What I am saying, good team is able to move over (which Canucks actually do) and fans should do the same.


No, any team will eventually lose faith and a step when they get the runaround from the refs so often. Imagine you are Daniel and you get a diving penalty, branded as a diver, on a two-legged trip when you are on a breakaway. That has to mess with your head. I honestly think the ref thought it was Henrik (who has a rep for diving). But the point here is there are too many reputation calls being made as opposed to calls based on the rule book and the infraction and specific situation.

The hit on Henrik by Goongratten, that takes the wind out of his sails physically and emotionally because it is obvious he can't count on the refs to enforce the rules of the game for his safety -- kinda like those crosschecks he got from Chara during the SCF (crosschecks way harder than the one Emilin laid on Seguin last night that caused Z to spaz. It emboldens the Flames (teams) to take cheap shots because they know Sutherland has the whistle in the pocket. And I am not even scratching the surface of the obvious hooks and holds that the twins put up with. Funny enough, they get sent off for even the lightest hook time and time again.

The Canucks get zero respect. Some would say they get what they deserve. I say that is a twisted sense of justice, and that refs need to be above the fray and unimpeachable.

Edited by coyotecanuck, 04 March 2013 - 04:08 PM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:08 PM

Jester13> Yes, it was the last game against CGY that made me to start with this topic. Tremendous amount of whining when CGY scored a goal after AV's penalty. But...we didn't lose because of refs. We lost because we were not able to shred the 3rd-string team to pieces for 58 previous minutes. For whatever reason.

Sorry. I come from a country where there was a HUGE affair about REALLY biased officiating in soccer (including corruption etc.). Even in THAT case teams were able to overcome this. And it is a damn difference to have bad calls in a sport where no or single goal in the whole match are quite normal when comparing to hockey.

And as you mentioned - the bad calls/errors are affecting all teams. Not only us. They are simply part of the game. Please, accept defeats, take lessons. Do not cry.


The fact that you accept sub par officiating as part of the game tells me just how out to lunch you are.

Tell me something, If someone is doing poorly at their job, should they be advised to improve their performance, or should their performance be accepted as "part of the company fabric"?

The officiating in the NHL is the worst in professional sports, hands down. The fact that a player can be offside (12 feet from the line) and do this RIGHT IN FRONT of the referee, and not get an offside call, tells me that the officials need to either be reprimanded or excused permanently of their duties.

Accepting piss poor officiating is the excuse. It makes a mockery of the sport. Also bad officiating is a direct contributor to a rise in injuries, as players will cross the line more when they aren't quite sure where it is.

So in a word, Gorby, you're dead wrong. And actually you need to stop whining.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:12 PM

Me too. Have been for years but it seems like no other organizatin or city likes to blame the refs for the loss like Vancouver does. Some accountability would be nice. And I'm not saying refs aren't incompetent at times because hell yes they are. But EVERY team deals with them and it all evens out in the end. Good teams can over come a bad penalty or two. Blaming the refs for every loss is weak and the easy way out.


Evens out in the end? Did you just wake up? I think you need to go back to sleep and come back later when you're fully awake and making some kind of sense.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:12 PM

It can never even out, no matter how long or how many cups the Canucks win, it was a disgrace and truly my favorite sport's darkest hour.


Bang on.

Canucks will never get the cup that boston undeservedly got. Justice will never prevail. It takes away most of the enjoyment from watching hockey now.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:17 PM

What's the point of playing hockey if you know the team you're on isn't allowed a chance to win?
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

Is it the only reason for some losses? No.

Is it ONE of the reasons? Yes.


Not just against the Canucks though. It's been BS for the entire league.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:20 PM

Game management.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:25 PM

They should really impose a min post count before starting threads....


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:36 PM

Sick and tired of poor officiating league wide not just our games, believe it or not some of us enjoy watching good hockey.

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