peaches5 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I don't want to lose Edler. I think he brings an element of offense to our blueline we are sorely lacking. Unless we obtain a true PMD in the same vein of Green/Letang I'm not okay with trading Eddy. I'd lose Garrison or Hammer first. They are redundant. Edler's problem is his back he has said multiple times his back is as good as its going to get not that his back is 100% with comments like those and his play of recent years I would of traded in the summer and honestly I'd still trade him because I don't think he is going to be able to play effectively long term with his back problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twilight Sparkle Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I hope you don't mean Stanton would be good trade bait. With another year at 550,000, he's definitely a keeper in my books. He's taken that spot as the "perfect 5th defenceman" that Tanev had. But I see what you mean if it's the only deal we get that makes sense and is a 'cant say no' offer. Funny how among the most impressive on our roster this season, 3 are undrafted (Tanev, Stanton, Lack). he has potential to be trade bait, but if you look at stanton, hes 24 and this is his first full season in the NHL. a guy like corrado, who everyone loves, is only 20 or so. he still has a lot of time to develop. i think thats one thing thats in stanton's favour, was that he's paid his dues and is now on this team full time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killer Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 clearly we need to trade edler for assets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Hammer 2.0 been saying it for the last couple seasons. Guy is crazy effective in his end and despite weaker shooting skills is pretty good in the offensive zone. Gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I say we use Tanev as a 7th defense man. After a while, get him to sign an 8 year extension for 2mil per year...................then let him in on the fact hes going to be a top pairing and perhaps even all star one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Fun fact: With any 3 of Bieksa, Edler, Tanev, Corrado playing, the D core would be made up of 50% draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Fun fact: With any 3 of Bieksa, Edler, Tanev, Corrado playing, the D core would be made up of 50% draft picks. *dammit realized Tanev wasn't drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLemming Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Fun fact: With any 3 of Bieksa, Edler, Tanev, Corrado playing, the D core would be made up of 50% draft picks. *dammit realized Tanev wasn't drafted. Lol. Still, Tanev is in the NHL because of the Canucks I think? Not sure if anyone else pursued him as a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Fun fact: With any 3 of Bieksa, Edler, Tanev, Corrado playing, the D core would be made up of 50% draft picks. *dammit realized Tanev wasn't drafted. I'm with Blue on this. Tanev was as good as drafted by the Canucks, perhaps even better as he was a UFA. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Which is why I think folks are nuts when they want to trade: Corrado/Tanev/Stanton. Good reliable cheap defensemen are not easy to come by. Agreed. A guy like Tanev, with a reasonable contract is exactly what all GMs are looking for. Waiver pickups like Stanton (and Weise for that matter) are absolute gold. Not taking away anything from Tanev as he is definitely a top 4 D, and a good one at that, but I think he really stands out in front of us because he is the only one that plays pure defence. All of our other D seem to always focus on offence a lot. Tanev is just a pure stay at home. Keep it up Tanev. Just going by what I've seen and heard lately, I think this is by design. Since Eddie's been gone, Bieksa especially has been making more forays in the offensive zone and has been pinching even more than usual (if such a thing is possible ) It looks as though Tanev and Stanton have been told to take care of their own end while Juice, Garrison and to a lesser extent, Hamhuis, have been given the green light to be more aggressive offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kassquatchian Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Tanman!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thad Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Tanev is kind of an anomaly. Right now he seems like one of the most effective shutdown defenseman in the league. Most shutdown defenseman are a balance between their above average physical play and above average hockey sense.. Tanev gets the job done with a waaay above average hockey sense only. He's literally almost completely free of making mistakes. Now when i think of how high your overall intelligence has to be to play virtual mistake free hockey in the nhl at the age of 23, I can't help but think this guy will be able to figure out the offense side eventually. I got a feeling this kid is smarter than we think. the game just comes too natural to him. Call me crazy but I'm predicting Tanev's going to keep getting better and learn how to put up consistent points. I think our #1 dman may already on the team and his name is not edler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alt kilgore Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Well he certainly won't be cheap next season . Another 3.5ish mil to already one of the most expensive back ends means someone's gotta go for some help up front. Which is why MG refusing to consider a multi-year contract with Tanev was yet another major gaffe which will go down in Canuck history lore as one of the worst decisions ever. Tanev was looking for $2 mill last summer. But Gillis only offered a one-year 1.5. Tanev's agent expected a predatory offer sheet that never came. But all that means is that Tanev is STILL under the radar of other teams - probably mostly because of his dismal offensive numbers. So the time was ripe to lock him up for 4 or 5 years. I think Tanev will only get better with his shot as he gets more comfortable in the NHL. But......what is wrong with a Defensive Defenseman who, you guessed it, specializes in Defense? I think Tanev is a unique gem of a player. Because most "defensive defensemen" usual examples are players like Alberts, Murzyn, Babych. Players who play the defense role more because they are big and lack offensive skills than because they are so damn good at playing defense. (Of course there are the rare examples like Lidstrom, Pronger, Niedermayer who are great at both D and O - but they got paid for it) Why can't there be such a thing as a defenseman getting paid well to PLAY DEFENSE? IMO he is a defensive elite already. But it makes a great bargaining position for Gillis that other teams as well are so old school that they cannot recognize the emergence of the pure defensive specialist like Tanev, and the value they bring to the team. As long as you have enough other offensive D in your stable to balance it out. Eventually another more lucid GM will recognize Tanev's unique talents, in that a very good defensive defenseman who is not great offensively, can be at least as valuable as purely offensive defenseman who can get you goals but has a terrible +-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrrFour Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Only trade Edler for an elite prospect/picks or a young star forward. Other than that we have the cap-space to keep him for his career. I totally agree with this. People are so critical of edler, but he's our top minute cruncher on defense for a reason. Plus, he's just going into his prime years. We have to get a big return if we trade him. We have to find another way to trade for or sign another top six forward. The cap is rising next year and will give us a reasonable chance to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 One thing people are forgetting is that Tanev played very well against a small EDM team. Top 4 minutes against bigger teams e.g. STL, ANH, LA etc. is a ? right now. Typically, Edler plays big minutes against those teams because he is strong enough and skilled enough. I havn't seen enough of Tanev in those situations so I guess we will have to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 tanev has played well and is developing nicely he will not get $4 mill a year, Kadri did not either RFA means something *bridge contract* that is the new term that applies to RFA players he does not get top money that a veteran proven defenceman gets bank on it unless the player takes the hodgson approach and signs for longer term over higher value cuz of past injury concerns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLemming Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Which is why MG refusing to consider a multi-year contract with Tanev was yet another major gaffe which will go down in Canuck history lore as one of the worst decisions ever. Tanev was looking for $2 mill last summer. But Gillis only offered a one-year 1.5. Tanev's agent expected a predatory offer sheet that never came. But all that means is that Tanev is STILL under the radar of other teams - probably mostly because of his dismal offensive numbers. So the time was ripe to lock him up for 4 or 5 years. If we gave him his 2m I don't think we would have fit under the cap. Would have had to buy out Booth earlier. Plus, in hindsight it's an easy decision to see that we should have signed him multi-year, but at the time it was a bit risky. He's shown us that we clearly should have taken that risk, but still, salary cap world. Now that the cap is going up, he could demand probably up to 3.5m. One thing people are forgetting is that Tanev played very well against a small EDM team. Top 4 minutes against bigger teams e.g. STL, ANH, LA etc. is a ? right now. Typically, Edler plays big minutes against those teams because he is strong enough and skilled enough. I havn't seen enough of Tanev in those situations so I guess we will have to see. I pointed out that I'm not talking about the EDM game specifically. Read the article and match up the numbers, he's been consistent the whole season and seems to be a big reason why our PK is incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 predatory offers are almost always matched so unless it comes from a weak team who would have to give up a high value 1st round pick and more and tanev signs knowing he is going to a crap team we might consider letting him go, given our depth on defence or the ability to find another 5 or 6 dman cheap otherwise, a predatory offer only creates ill will all around kesler is the last player to deal with such an offer, from philly, no surprise which team we matched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SofaKing Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Tanev is a top 2 in my eyes. Just a rock solid player with great wing span & fantastic stick work. Oh yah he skates pretty well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 A better question would be, "Who would you rather have, Tanev or Shultz?" That Oiler D and goaltending is absolutely dreadful. Everyone was bashing Gillis for not getting Shultz, and Tanev fell right onto the Canucks lap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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