Kyle Pettit | C

[DeNiro]

Mmmmm .... Let's see. Vancouver passed on Brayden Point (79th overall, Tampa Bay, 91 pts in 72 GP), Chase De Leo (99th overall, Winnipeg, 81 pts in 72 GP), Jaedon Descheneau (124th overall, St. Louis, 98 pts in 70 GP), Daniel Audette (147th overall, Montreal, 76 pts in 68 GP), and Vladimir Tkachev (Undrafted, 30 pts in 20 GP).

Brayden Point - 5'9" - 160lbs. This guy is smaller than Schroeder. Did we not learn our lesson about wasting picks on small players? Unless he has elite level skill it's very unlikely he makes the next level.

Chase De Leo - Inflated stats on a stacked Winterhawks team. Another small center that is very unlikely to reach the next level.

Jaedon Descheneau - 5'9" - 186 lbs. See Brayden Point. He also had inflated stats playing with Reinhart

Daniel Audette - 5'9" - 176 lbs. Are you seeing a trend yet?

Vladimir Tkachev - 5'8" 163 lbs. So good that he wasn't even drafted. Why would we waste a pick on him when we can likely sign him as a free agent in a year?

You managed to offer up a group of midgets and players with inflated stats. Just because they're ranked higher, doesn't mean they have a higher chance of being NHLers. Their size will most certainly limit their chances significantly.

Pettit's ceiling may be much lower in terms of skill, but his size, skating, and work ethic will give him a much better shot at making the NHL than the smurfs you listed.

[DeNiro]

Pettit also went from not even being ranked at the midterm, to being ranked 161st in the final rankings.

Clearly he did something in the second half of the seasons to make scouts believe he had something. Canucks scouts would have seen alot of him watching Gaunce and FOx, so I'm sure they have a good grasp on what kind of player they believe he can be.

If we get a 4th liner with a 6th round pick that's a win itself. Most 6th round picks never even crack the AHL, let alone the NHL.

[canucksVSflames89]

Brayden Point - 5'9" - 160lbs. This guy is smaller than Schroeder. Did we not learn our lesson about wasting picks on small players? Unless he has elite level skill it's very unlikely he makes the next level.

Chase De Leo - Inflated stats on a stacked Winterhawks team. Another small center that is very unlikely to reach the next level.

Jaedon Descheneau - 5'9" - 186 lbs. See Brayden Point. He also had inflated stats playing with Reinhart

Daniel Audette - 5'9" - 176 lbs. Are you seeing a trend yet?

Vladimir Tkachev - 5'8" 163 lbs. So good that he wasn't even drafted. Why would we waste a pick on him when we can likely sign him as a free agent in a year?

You managed to offer up a group of midgets and players with inflated stats. Just because they're ranked higher, doesn't mean they have a higher chance of being NHLers. Their size will most certainly limit their chances significantly.

Pettit's ceiling may be much lower in terms of skill, but his size, skating, and work ethic will give him a much better shot at making the NHL than the smurfs you listed.

Oh good for you regurgitating easily available stats. They are small, which is why they were available in later rounds. Point is, if you don't produce even decent points in juniors, you have zero chance of making it to the NHL. I would rather see them take a chance on players with some resemblance of talent Skill trumps size, especially in later rounds.

[DeNiro]

Oh good for you regurgitating easily available stats. They are small, which is why they were available in later rounds. Point is, if you don't produce even decent points in juniors, you have zero chance of making it to the NHL. I would rather see them take a chance on players with some resemblance of talent Skill trumps size, especially in later rounds.

I'm regurgitating stats? Weren't you the one that just stated all of these guys rankings and point totals?

It's clear all you did was look at the highest ranked players with the highest point totals.

No, points aren't the only indicator of whether a player will be an NHLer. Lots of solid NHLers put up less than a point a game in junior and went on to have success. This also assumes that Pettit won't up his point totals significantly next season; which he most certainly will with the departure of Gaunce, Fox, and Brown.

Skill certainly doesn't always trump size in later rounds. There have been quite a few good bottom 6 players taken in later rounds that never had high end skill. Paul Gaustad is a name that Benning is familiar with. He had a hand in taking him in the 7th round.

[canucksVSflames89]

I'm regurgitating stats? Weren't you the one that just stated all of these guys rankings and point totals?

It's clear all you did was look at the highest ranked players with the highest point totals.

No, points aren't the only indicator of whether a player will be an NHLer. Lots of solid NHLers put up less than a point a game in junior and went on to have success. This also assumes that Pettit won't up his point totals significantly next season; which he most certainly will with the departure of Gaunce, Fox, and Brown.

Skill certainly doesn't always trump size in later rounds. There have been quite a few good bottom 6 players taken in later rounds that never had high end skill. Paul Gaustad is a name that Benning is familiar with. He had a hand in taking him in the 7th round.

Paul Gaustad produced pretty well in junior. And stats do matter. A computer model (sham) based on stats can do a better job than many teams scouting departments.

[Smashian Kassian]

So who has a chance to become NHLers? Lets hear it since you obviously know more than me.

I would have definitely perferred Kulda, I think he's got a great chance of becoming an NHLer, and has a higher ceiling (great 3rd liner)

Or Holmstrom, or Kase, 2 of those 3 with our lst 2 picks.

Brayden Point - 5'9" - 160lbs. This guy is smaller than Schroeder. Did we not learn our lesson about wasting picks on small players? Unless he has elite level skill it's very unlikely he makes the next level.

Point is much, much closer to Gallagher than Schroeder, and we know how everyone would love to have Gallagher on the team.

[DeNiro]

Paul Gaustad produced pretty well in junior. And stats do matter. A computer model (sham) based on stats can do a better job than many teams scouting departments.

He put up 14 points in his draft year. Again, Pettit will put up more points next season, just like Gaustad.

If scouts based it on stats alone, that would eliminate every player playing in the KHL and SHL because they have low stats playing against men.

I've seen sham predictions, and they were average at best. Not as impressive as people make them out to be.

[DeNiro]

I would have definitely perferred Kulda, I think he's got a great chance of becoming an NHLer, and has a higher ceiling (great 3rd liner)

Or Holmstrom, or Kase, 2 of those 3 with our lst 2 picks.

Point is much, much closer to Gallagher than Schroeder, and we know how everyone would love to have Gallagher on the team.

Time will tell if those guys become anything. Really it's not likely Pettit or any of these guys become NHlers. That's the odds of being a 6th round pick.

I doubt we look back at this draft and say we missed a star player in the 6th round. And even if we do, hindsight is 20/20.

I would say Gallagher is the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of players 5'9" and smaller go on to be busts rather than NHLers.

[Smashian Kassian]

Time will tell if those guys become anything. Really it's not likely Pettit or any of these guys become NHlers. That's the odds of being a 6th round pick.

I doubt we look back at this draft and say we missed a star player in the 6th round. And even if we do, hindsight is 20/20.

I would say Gallagher is the exception, not the rule. The vast majority of players 5'9" and smaller go on to be busts rather than NHLers.

There are plenty of smaller players in the league, the ones that don't make it lack what it takes for a smaller player to make it, Point doesn't heck of a player, battles hard & contributes in all areas.

[boxiebrown]

For people who will only accept big players...

Matt Mistele is 6'2 and had 37 points in 56 games. LA, also known as the best organization in the league, took him after we passed. It's just completely baffling and irrational to take Pettit over Mistele.

Aaron Irving is a 6'0 puck moving d-man who scored 30 points in 63 games. Both of these guys have WAY more upside than Pettit. Drafting someone who's best case scenario, if everything breaks just right, is a 4th line centre is brutal.

[DeNiro]

For people who will only accept big players...

Matt Mistele is 6'2 and had 37 points in 56 games. LA, also known as the best organization in the league, took him after we passed. It's just completely baffling and irrational to take Pettit over Mistele.

Aaron Irving is a 6'0 puck moving d-man who scored 30 points in 63 games. Both of these guys have WAY more upside than Pettit. Drafting someone who's best case scenario, if everything breaks just right, is a 4th line centre is brutal.

And both those guys will likely be AHLers at best, so who cares?

If Mistele reaches his full potential (unlikely), he's a 4th liner at best too.

Pettit will have a points surge next season, mark my words.

[Psycho_Path]

For people who will only accept big players...

Matt Mistele is 6'2 and had 37 points in 56 games. LA, also known as the best organization in the league, took him after we passed. It's just completely baffling and irrational to take Pettit over Mistele.

Aaron Irving is a 6'0 puck moving d-man who scored 30 points in 63 games. Both of these guys have WAY more upside than Pettit. Drafting someone who's best case scenario, if everything breaks just right, is a 4th line centre is brutal.

You ever watched Trouble With the Curve? Maybe you should.

Edit:

Took a look at Mistele's team the past 2 seasons. He had a big dip in production without talent around him. Says as much as what De Niro pointed out that at best he'll probably only be an AHLer

[Plum]

And both those guys will likely be AHLers at best, so who cares?

If Mistele reaches his full potential (unlikely), he's a 4th liner at best too.

Pettit will have a points surge next season, mark my words.

Why? Will it be because he'll play with McDavid, Burakowsky, and Strome? Or will he just breakout from 10 points in 53 games?

[DeNiro]

Why? Will it be because he'll play with McDavid, Burakowsky, and Strome? Or will he just breakout from 10 points in 53 games?

He'll likely move up in the depth chart with Brown and Fox moving on, meaning more opportunity to play with good players.

It's all part of being a younger guy on a stacked team. He likely paid his dues by proving he can be responsible defensively, now it's time to find the next level to his game.

Not to mention it never hurts to play on a team with who should be the next big star in the NHL.

[Psycho_Path]

It's because he won't be playing behind Gaunce, Brown, and Fox, plus he'll be a year older and have the chance to be part of the Canucks prospect camp. Strome never even played for the Otters.

[DJ Kreuzberg]

It's because he won't be playing behind Gaunce, Brown, and Fox, plus he'll be a year older and have the chance to be part of the Canucks prospect camp. Strome never even played for the Otters.

Dylan Strome... Ryan's brother. He will likely be 2C behind McDavid next season, likely top 15 pick next draft.

I see Pettit maybe lining up as the 3C.

[brownky]

I wanted Tyson Baillie out of Kelowna.

I'm floored nobody picked him up.

[Derp...]

How many times do you think our scouts saw this guy play, probably a lot more than any of us. Oh and they saw him playing in the same games as many of the great Erie players.

Don't hate on him just because there were more traditional picks available. He might not ever wow us, but he's as good a gamble for a fourth line role as most other players, maybe more so.

Yes it sucks not getting Tyler Johnson's, and Andre Palats, but we need 4 line depth in prospects too. We can gamble on guys when we already have that.

[kchengc]

It is fine to draft a defensive specialist who can win key defensive faceoffs and kill penalties instead of taking them in later rounds. A team needs to be balanced instead of filled with players who play a similar game. Even team Canada wasn't built with the best 12 offensive forwards. After reading more about him, he may have chance to turn into a shut down center in the NHL once he learns to use his size and reach, as well as develops his skating to keep up with the faster forwards in the nhl

[DJ Kreuzberg]

How many times do you think our scouts saw this guy play, probably a lot more than any of us. Oh and they saw him playing in the same games as many of the great Erie players.

Don't hate on him just because there were more traditional picks available. He might not ever wow us, but he's as good a gamble for a fourth line role as most other players, maybe more so.

Yes it sucks not getting Tyler Johnson's, and Andre Palats, but we need 4 line depth in prospects too. We can gamble on guys when we already have that.

It ultimately comes down to how you value your picks and your direction in the draft. Selecting a guy who may top out as a 4th line player or may not even be an AHL player is not something i'd aim for. A 4th line player is a replacement player at the NHL level. 4 days from today, there are a slew available for free on the market where we do not have to expend a pick and several years of resources to develop. It is simply nonsensical to me.

We do not have the Johnson's or Palat's. We should always be gambling this late in the draft to find the Johnson's and Palat's of the draft class, not 4th line depth prospects.

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When watching Erie this year as we've got a few prospects on there, Pettit did not really stand out to me on their 4th line. He is a solid forechecker, smart defensively, but really lacks a physical edge to his game and lacks offensive tools here.