WHY CANT "CANUCKS FANS" SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE!!!!

[ABNuck]

8 hours ago, orcasgonewild said:

I AM CALM!! DONT TELL ME TO CALM DOWN!! Lol jk

 

but seriously... 

 

U should give it a read, I just wanna know if I bring up good points

If you seriously need a hug, go ask your daddy. I assumed you posted your wall of text to express the level of your passion as a Canucks fan...I see now that the most important thing to you is acceptance in the community. Dude (or dudette), stand by your thread til someone proves you wrong (then be humble enough to accept some guidance)...be a man (or woman?) and stand on the merits of your argument, NOT because you hope others will agree with you, but because YOU agree with them.

[canuktravella]

5 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

Move on from the Sedins, Edler. Blow it up to the core. Rebuild like Buffalo/Toronto.

Both have young franchise centers, potential top 5 players.
Both have promising young defensemen with #1 potential.
Both have other elite level pieces (Marner, Reinhart)

 u should be a sabre fan 

[SaintPatrick33]

1 hour ago, orcasgonewild said:

Dorsett is complete garbage, can't wait till his bad contract is finished. We r paying him too much for his role and he's a little pathetic doll that gets thrown around all the time. Leave the rough stuff for the big boys like gud and tryamkin, we don't need Nancy's like him.

 

The guy has guts and takes on heavyweights twice his size on a regular basis because nobody else on the team is willing to do so. He also skates well, gets in on the forecheck, can kill penalties and is a great locker room guy. He is also one of the few who is always in scrums and will get in the opponents face. 

 

You probably do not watch the full games, must rely on highlights for your opinions on the team. 

[GettinGuddyWithIt]

5 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

Because I have seen all 3 play, all are great prospects, but I can't see any of them being a top 5 player at their position in their prime.

Boy, are you some NHL scout? So you've "seen" them play and say they're not franchise changing players but guess what...you're not Jim Benning and you have no clue how to evaluate players.

 

It's laughable how you have no faith in these great prospects and are already saying they're not going to be franchise players.

 

[19Nazzy91]

6 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

Move on from the Sedins, Edler. Blow it up to the core. Rebuild like Buffalo/Toronto.

Both have young franchise centers, potential top 5 players.
Both have promising young defensemen with #1 potential.
Both have other elite level pieces (Marner, Reinhart)

And lose for years like the Oilers...

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

10 hours ago, MJDDawg said:

Holy wall of text Batman!

 

Who are these "Canuck fans" you're referring to? 

 

The kids on CDC who create who think that running a team is like playing NHL 16? The kids who are on summer vacation and think that every thought that comes into their head MUST be a new thread on CDC? Or the new CDC'er whose thread to post ratio is 10:1, which wouldn't be so bad if the threads were created with all synapses blasting away instead of brain dead "How Long.." threads.

 

The rest of us aren't those fans.

Say what you will about Canucks fans and all this big picture stuff... about whether they understand what the team is going through.  My own views on the matter are irrelevant.  But this is a fact: the fans today truly do not see the bigger picture.  They see a failing team and they are choosing not to buy merchandise and not to buy tickets.  The interest in the team is very low in Vancouver right now.  VERY low.  Whether they are a team that's looking to rebound isn't the point, since the fans have already made up their mind with their wallets.

[orcasgonewild]

3 hours ago, SaintPatrick33 said:

 

The guy has guts and takes on heavyweights twice his size on a regular basis because nobody else on the team is willing to do so. He also skates well, gets in on the forecheck, can kill penalties and is a great locker room guy. He is also one of the few who is always in scrums and will get in the opponents face. 

 

You probably do not watch the full games, must rely on highlights for your opinions on the team. 

Your kidding me right? That's your argument? Look at his salary you derp! You can get a player who does all those things and can actually put up points. I think that's more valuable. I wouldn't expect you to understand however because it seems like you only get your information from that stone you call a head. 

[orcasgonewild]

3 hours ago, ABNuck said:

If you seriously need a hug, go ask your daddy. I assumed you posted your wall of text to express the level of your passion as a Canucks fan...I see now that the most important thing to you is acceptance in the community. Dude (or dudette), stand by your thread til someone proves you wrong (then be humble enough to accept some guidance)...be a man (or woman?) and stand on the merits of your argument, NOT because you hope others will agree with you, but because YOU agree with them.

Isn't the whole point of the "proposals and armchair GM'ing" threads to give everyone your opinion and see how everyone else takes it? Are you new here or did you smack your head one two many times before you replied with that ignorant comment? Have a nice day sir!

[SaintPatrick33]

24 minutes ago, orcasgonewild said:

Your kidding me right? That's your argument? Look at his salary you derp! You can get a player who does all those things and can actually put up points. I think that's more valuable. I wouldn't expect you to understand however because it seems like you only get your information from that stone you call a head. 

 

Great argument, the old dorsett makes too much (2.5 mil.). I do not bother with replying to teenagers who post on this forum. Hopefully you at least get your grade 10 my friend. Education has its benefits! Derp! Stonehead! LOL!

 

Your mind is much like a pencil, it needs to be sharpened. 

 

 

[GoBoGo53]

8 hours ago, Hortankin said:

Why?

 I'm a Canucks homer most of the time but there is a huge gap between Juolevi and Matthews. Matthews will be a top player in the NHL for a very long time. He's a 6'3 215  elite two way force that broke Patrick Kane's USDP records and outproduced Eichel. 

 

I'm not saying Juolevi is a bad player. He isn't, he's an amazing player. In fact if you go back in my post history you would see I was screaming for Juolevi over Tkachuk after watching the knights every game this year. I think Juolevi will be a top pairing defenseman in the NHL for a very long time, and I'm a huge fan of his. 

 

Having said that, there is a wide gap between a potential Top 5 player and a top pairing dman who I could see being a lower end #1 at some point in his career. 

[GoBoGo53]

5 hours ago, 19Nazzy91 said:

And lose for years like the Oilers...

You don't have to do it for years. If you do it the proper way, you will end up with an amazing young team on your hands. 

 

Do you think a guy like Babcock will put up with losing for 5+ seasons? Not a chance. It's about not throwing your top prospects to the Wolves and being patient. 

 

Oilers management was garbage for such a long time. I hate that as an example because that rebuild was so poorly done. 

[GoBoGo53]

5 hours ago, GettinGuddyWithIt said:

Boy, are you some NHL scout? So you've "seen" them play and say they're not franchise changing players but guess what...you're not Jim Benning and you have no clue how to evaluate players.

 

It's laughable how you have no faith in these great prospects and are already saying they're not going to be franchise players.

 

Once again, I define franchise changing as a McDavid, Eichel, Matthews Ekblad. Do you see any of our players being that? 

 

I'm just being honest. We have three great prospects. None are at that level, but they are very good. Isn't that fair? Or do you want me to say they are McDavid, Lidstrom, and Roy to make you happy? 

[GoBoGo53]

8 hours ago, luckylager said:

Because he's a leafs fan who lives in London, Ontario.

 

Leafs fans are tools. Sorry, tools have value and are useful. Leafs fans are useless fools.

 

Ya, let's build right, by not winning and getting a bunch of Maybe's along the way, solid plan.

 

Love how this jackass knows the ceiling for every prospect as well. Glad I saved my daily minus.

 

 

I have no idea why you need to call me a jackass. I offer my opinion, you are free offer yours. 

 

I'm a Canucks fan that lives in London because of work. But thanks for being extremely judgemental. 

 

All I am saying is look at recent cup winners Kopitar, Doughty, Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin. Those are the key pieces. 

 

Do you think we have one of those? If so, we can have a respectful hockey debate. Name calling is just stupid. 

[Standing_Tall#37]

16 hours ago, orcasgonewild said:

Hello "Canucks fans" I am not happy with the media and it's current fan base for the Canucks! What is wrong with you people, I was recently looking at an article made by the hockey press I believe and saw that the Canucks are 30th in fan confidence. ARE U SERIOUS!!! How do we not surpass teams like Boston who had 3 first round picks a year ago and only picked one actual first rounder and 2 2nd to third rounders, it's not like they have fantastic prospects in their pipeline or that they don't have aging stars. How do we not beat teams like Detroit who lost datsyuk and sign Nelson to fill the void. Nelson... if I were a Detroit fan I'd be crying! How do we not beat a team like Columbus who has aging stars and a goalie who's taken a huge step back over the years, or New Jersey who's had so many aging stars they're close to be playing in a senior beer league, or Calgary Flames who picked up brower and now ppl think that he was the one piece missing that didn't get them to the playoffs. What a fricken joke! I'll admit that they did pick up Elliot which was great but brower isn't the saviour tsn is making him out to be. Or fricken Edmonton who manages to draft the best players and destroy them, or even trade hall for Larson? How's Benning now? And wtf, they sign lucic for 7 years, he only has another 2-3 years left and he's dragging the team down. Hb Colorado who have gotten rid of players like orielly and Paul stasny and have Roy as a coach that makes them feel bad about themselves. Didn't he call Barrie a 5th defenceman? And now thyre taking him to arbitration! Risking losing another solid player! 

 

Now "Canucks fans" ur probably thinking of all the ways in which u can comeback at my statements which I don't blame u. But let's look at it this way, sure Jim Benning isn't the best GM that's obvious. And sure our team isn't the best team, but we could be worse! We had an average of 3.92 for drafting, excuse me but don't we have boeser, demko, juolevi, brisebois, virtanen, cassels. Teams wish they had the elite potential of demko, boeser and juolevi. And let's not forget benning is replenishing a prospect pool after we were contending for years and losing picks in the gillis era. So not too shabby. Sure Benning's trades aren't that great but we got a top 4 defenceman in Gudbranson who can play with Hutton to help develop his offensive game. And Benning also got eriksson, ik he's older but have you seen his chemistry with the Sedins it's great, plus he plays power play, penalty kill and he can play anywhere in your lineup. Plus Benning signed larsson and Rodin both are high risk high reward. Both are on one year deals so if they don't play well then it's goodbye! Rodin has the potential of jori lehtera and Larson can be our erhoff that we've been missing. And let's not forget how great markstrom and miller played when they were job sharing. I'm talking one goal games ppl!!! Now for you ppl that don't think the Canucks can stack up to other teams in our decision just remember that before last season we were playoff bound and in that summer we got better, we just were struck with the injury bug. But this is how we stack up... 

 

Sedins erikson.                       

baertschi Horvat Virtanen.         

rodin sutter Hansen                 

etem granlund burrows.       .               

edler tanev.                                             

Hutton Gudbranson.                       

larsson tryamkin.                              

marky.                                                         

miller

 

frolik monahan gaudreau.

Stajan backlund brower.

Ferland Bennett Chiasson

Bollig grant shore

Brodie Hamilton

Giordano engelland.

Jokipakka wideman.

elliot

 

Lucic mcdavid Eberle 

Maroon draisaitl yakupov

pouliot rnh puljuarvi

Hendricks letestu kassian

Sekera larsson

nurse klefbom 

reinhart Davidson 

talbot

 

(Unknown) getzlaf garbutt. 

thompson rakell perry.                      

cogliano kesler silverberg         

(unknown line).                                    

vatanen lindholm                             

bieksa fowler                                             

manson Theodore                                    

gibson.                                                                  

bernier 

 

boedker thornton pavelski

marleau courture donskoi

hertl tierney ward

zubrus karlson wingels 

martin burns

MEV braun 

dillion schlemko

jones

 

 (Unknown) kopitar gaborik

 Pearson Carter toffoli 

brown (unknown) purcell

 king shore Lewis 

mcnabb doughty

muzzin greene 

scuderi gilbert

quick

 

domi vermette duclair

reider hanzal doan 

mcginn richardson sekac 

martinook vitale chipchura 

OEL Murphy 

goglioski michalek

connauton stone 

smith

 

As u go through these lines u should be able to see that the Canucks definitely do have a chance, and if not this year definitely in the future. I invite u to look at this website called hockey's future as it shows teams prospects and their rating of becoming a pro. The Canucks have better prospects than a lot of teams in their division. So lighten up! Tell me what u guys think about my assessment, is it fair? I'm also open to doing another thread about how the Canucks lineup and prospects match up to other teams outside the division if u guys wants. Anyways have an awesome day!! On a couple days till the weekend!!! 

I've heard that being 13 can be hard in a young girls life... You hang in there, kitten.

[timberz21]

13 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

Move on from the Sedins, Edler. Blow it up to the core. Rebuild like Buffalo/Toronto.

Both have young franchise centers, potential top 5 players.
Both have promising young defensemen with #1 potential.
Both have other elite level pieces (Marner, Reinhart)

...both made the playoffs like 1 time each in the past 10 years.  That's the rebuild you want?

[ABNuck]

5 hours ago, orcasgonewild said:

Isn't the whole point of the "proposals and armchair GM'ing" threads to give everyone your opinion and see how everyone else takes it? Are you new here or did you smack your head one two many times before you replied with that ignorant comment? Have a nice day sir!

Been here 'bout 8 years...you?

 

Have you checked out your own responses to people on here? You gave your opinion on something (to start a discussion as you claim) and then you bash anyone who disagrees with you (I believe you called one guy a derp). So if this is the jumping off point where you would like to begin your time here on CDC, then be prepared for us "vets" on here to call you out on it. The one thing we cannot stand around here is hypocrisy. Again, state your opinion (even start a thread if you wish) and stand by it (either until the thread dies/ends or you change your perspective due to counter-arguments). Don't do it solely because you want to see other people's opinion. I sense your passion as a Canucks fan, so please let THAT be your motivation. I am a Canucks fan (have been for 40 years) and I really don't care what others think about the Canucks. There's 2 types of people in the world...Canucks fans and losers.

 

PS/ welcome to the madhouse

[PhillipBlunt]

2 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

Once again, I define franchise changing as a McDavid, Eichel, Matthews Ekblad. Do you see any of our players being that? 

 

I'm just being honest. We have three great prospects. None are at that level, but they are very good. Isn't that fair? Or do you want me to say they are McDavid, Lidstrom, and Roy to make you happy? 

Demko is projected to be an elite goalie, so there's that. Boeser and Juoveli are also projected to be pretty special players.

 

Honestly, this franchise changing tag that is put on players is a tad nauseating, as it's mostly a projection based on performance in junior leagues. Obviously it's given for a reason, and given by knowledgeable hockey folks, but in my opinion, the proof is in the pudding. 

 

Horvat, while not considered "elite" or "franchise-altering" has demonstrated the mental fortitude and physical capabilities to win games. I think his "ceiling" is a hell of a lot higher than many project. That's just me though.  

[chon derry]

[PhillipBlunt]

1 hour ago, ABNuck said:

Been here 'bout 8 years...you?

 

Have you checked out your own responses to people on here? You gave your opinion on something (to start a discussion as you claim) and then you bash anyone who disagrees with you (I believe you called one guy a derp). So if this is the jumping off point where you would like to begin your time here on CDC, then be prepared for us "vets" on here to call you out on it. The one thing we cannot stand around here is hypocrisy. Again, state your opinion (even start a thread if you wish) and stand by it (either until the thread dies/ends or you change your perspective due to counter-arguments). Don't do it solely because you want to see other people's opinion. I sense your passion as a Canucks fan, so please let THAT be your motivation. I am a Canucks fan (have been for 40 years) and I really don't care what others think about the Canucks. There's 2 types of people in the world...Canucks fans and losers.

 

PS/ welcome to the madhouse

Testify!

[luckylager]

5 hours ago, GoBoGo53 said:

I have no idea why you need to call me a jackass. I offer my opinion, you are free offer yours. 

 

I'm a Canucks fan that lives in London because of work. But thanks for being extremely judgemental. 

 

All I am saying is look at recent cup winners Kopitar, Doughty, Kane, Toews, Crosby, Malkin. Those are the key pieces. 

 

Do you think we have one of those? If so, we can have a respectful hockey debate. Name calling is just stupid. 

Because you are an advocate for tanking, I have no patience or sympathy for "fans" who promote the whole losing to win BS.

 

I don't subscribe to it and being the competitive a-hole I am, I hate losing, I hate watching my team lose and I get really annoyed by the belief that intentionally losing or icing a losing team paves the path to victory.