[Rumour] Jannik Hansen Has Presented Management With a 8 Team List

[ForsbergTheGreat]

10 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Washington has need of a RHD and a RW forward.

 

Why not do Tanev/Hansen for Bowey, 1st and a + eat Winnik if we have too?

They have Niskanen and Carlson on the right side for D. Tanev would be a bottom pairing D on the cap, not to mention it would force them to protect tanev over Orlov in expansion. 

 

And on RW they have Oshie, Williams and break out player connolly, along with Tom Wilson,

 

They don't have need for a RW or RHD. 

[oldnews]

24 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

So basically you're saying Benning will disappoint no matter what... keep him, mad fan base. Trade him, ok but Biech sez it wasn't enough, so mad fan base! 

 

The market will be what it will be, I have no faith a guy like Biech really knows what a GM would do or offer for Hansen. If we can get a solid prospect back still in his ELC that and a lower pick would be fine. 

no, I'm saying nothing of the sort.

you have no faith that Biech knows his stuff, but then you essentially suggest an equivalent return to what he's saying would be fine?

[Rick Blight]

1 hour ago, Scorevat said:

Hansen isn't worth a 1st lol. A low-mid 2nd is more like it realistically. Last years tdl Lee Stempniak fetched a 2nd from boston plus a 4th in 2017 and he and he had a 50 pt season plus his defensive capabilities. Jamie Mcginn fetched a conditional 3rd and had a 40 pt season in 84 games plus his physicality. Honey badger is on pace for a 42 point season and he crashes and bangs in the playoffs so I would expect a low-mid 2nd round pick if it is indeed a sellers market this year.

What about the Daniel Winnik trade at last year's trade deadline? Winnik had 14 points in 56 games for the leafs and look what he returned.

 

The Toronto Maple Leafs‘ roster makeover continued Sunday night, trading forward Daniel Winnik and a 2016 fifth-round pick to the Washington Capitals in exchange for a second-round pick in 2016, defenceman Connor Carrick, and forward Brooks Laich.

 

IMO Hansen has much more value than Winnik.......

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, Scorevat said:

Hansen isn't worth a 1st lol. A low-mid 2nd is more like it realistically. Last years tdl Lee Stempniak fetched a 2nd from boston plus a 4th in 2017 and he and he had a 50 pt season plus his defensive capabilities. Jamie Mcginn fetched a conditional 3rd and had a 40 pt season in 84 games plus his physicality. Honey badger is on pace for a 42 point season and he crashes and bangs in the playoffs so I would expect a low-mid 2nd round pick if it is indeed a sellers market this year.

Except of course where guys like Gaustad and Ott got large returns.

 

Hansen might not be worth a 1st to you.

 

But there's easily 2-4 GMs that are idiots out there every single year leading to the trade deadline.

[ForsbergTheGreat]

27 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said:

You guys sure suck at asset management!  Just like our GMs...

 

Here is what NHL draft-picks are worth.  So, what is a 2nd round pick worth?  Turns out it's worth 2.39 to 3.03 (on their scale).

 

What is a Top 6 or 9 forward like Hansen worth? 
 

Turns out Hansen is worth 6 or 7 - and you all want to trade him for a 2.8!  Of course, he's only worth that to our team, not the open market.  No one's going to give you a star in return for him.  You guys literally want to trade a Top-6 forward - for a player that only has a 33% chance of ever being an NHL'er.  And, I don't mean a career-NHL'er there.  We are talking about playing at least 100 games in their entire careers.

 

Of course, there are expansion draft issues this year which change things.  But, if you go around trading your best players for 2nd round picks, you're going to be the worst team in the league pretty soon.  I'm not saying Hansen is worth a lot more than a 2nd round pick on the open market, just that he's worth way more to us that what we can expect to get with that pick.  What we can expect to get with it - is a career AHL'er.  And, we already have far too many of those.

Drafting isn't about percentages it's about opportunity.  Opportunity to aqcuire a top line player.  Without a 2nd round picks you loose the opportunity to draft that type of player.  Acquiring an additional 2nd round pick increases you chance of drafting that type of player. 

 

JB's 2nd round drafting odds so far are pretty good. 1 for 1 in getting demko. 

[Warhippy]

23 minutes ago, oldnews said:

I think I'd want at least a very good roster forward and one of those pieces in return if we're taking two key pieces out of our lineup.

That's why I added the +

 

I'd want one of their blue chip forward prospects for the joy of eating Winniks contract and added benefit of course of freeing up 2 spots we'd need to protect in the ED is always a boon.

 

I'm not familiar enough with Washingtons prospects outside of Bowey and Vrana to really say or suggest what the + would be though but a bare minimum would have to be a 1st and Bowey.  Maybe just say Bowey a 2nd this year 1st next year with an additional + prospect?

 

We'd be doing them all sorts of favors as they're a top 3 favorite for a cup win this season and Hansen and Tanev fit almost every box that their org needs.

[Rick Blight]

1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Drafting isn't about percentages it's about opportunity.  Opportunity to aqcuire a top line player.  Without a 2nd round picks you loose the opportunity to draft that type of player.  Acquiring an additional 2nd round pick increases you chance of drafting that type of player. 

 

JB's 2nd round drafting odds so far are pretty good. 1 for 1 in getting demko. 

Alf just recovered from his stroke....

[ForsbergTheGreat]

5 minutes ago, Rick Blight said:

Alf just recovered from his stroke....

in 2007 canucks traded a 2nd round pick for Sopel at the trade deadline.  That pick was Wayne Simmonds.....

 

There's so much more to trading for draft picks that seems to be missed.  Contract remaining, future plans, expansion eligibility, and team needs all come into consideration when making deals.  Drafting odds really has little to do with actual value a pick can have on the team.  . 

[oldnews]

10 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Drafting isn't about percentages it's about opportunity.  Opportunity to aqcuire a top line player.  Without a 2nd round picks you loose the opportunity to draft that type of player.  Acquiring an additional 2nd round pick increases you chance of drafting that type of player. 

 

JB's 2nd round drafting odds so far are pretty good. 1 for 1 in getting demko. 

He's not talking about drafting - he's talking about asset values - and the percentages attached to a  pick absolutely effects the market value of a pick.  Cherry picking in your mind's eye the one out of 3 or 4 that turned out only distorts your perspective of value.

 

Your point has literally nothing to do with Hansen's value or the value of a pick relative to his value.

 

 

[Warhippy]

27 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

They have Niskanen and Carlson on the right side for D. Tanev would be a bottom pairing D on the cap, not to mention it would force them to protect tanev over Orlov in expansion. 

 

And on RW they have Oshie, Williams and break out player connolly, along with Tom Wilson,

 

They don't have need for a RW or RHD. 

Actually, more than a few people have them wanting D, specifically RHD due to Boweys tendon laceration and due to the need for depth for a long playoff run.

 

Is that Tanev?  Who knows.

 

But a few places have them wanting to upgrade their blue line least of all including the Post

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capitals-insider/wp/2017/02/01/what-will-the-capitals-do-at-the-trade-deadline-in-a-month-perhaps-nothing/?utm_term=.552da79cd7f8

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

in 2007 canucks traded a 2nd round pick for Sopel at the trade deadline.  That pick was Wayne Simmonds.....

 

There's so much more to trading for draft picks that seems to be missed.  Contract remaining, future plans, expansion eligibility, and team needs all come into consideration when making deals.  Drafting odds really has little to do with actual value a pick can have on the team.  . 

Simmons would have been the ideal winger for the Twins.  Crap!  I feel a spike in my BP.  Aspirin.

[Gaudette Celly]

Will likely see the contenders not giving a rip about the expansion draft.  They have "too many" guys to protect as it is and adding a few more won't make any difference -- they can still only lose one.  Look at what LA gave up for rental Lucic, then lost him for nothing as a FA, same as losing to the ED.  When a cup run is in sight, they will load up and strive for it, then let the chips fall where they may in the off-season.  All those great Canuck seasons and we only got one real shot -- looking back now, what more wouldn't we have given up to get another player or two to put us over the top?  At least another dman, which we desperately needed at the end.

 

Hansen is not only a great add for any team because of his versatility and grit, but his salary means minimal roster-juggling to make cap room, plus they likely keep him for another season after.

[Gaudette Celly]

1 hour ago, oldnews said:

Hansen has another year of term remaining, and imo is a better asset than Russell, who was rented for a better return than people are speculating about here.

Russell is a defenseman - true - but I'd value Hansen over him regardless - and lesser forwards imo have been dealt for more than we're speculating here at the trade deadline.

Considering what Calgary got for their TDL offloads:

 

Russell - 3 pieces

Hudler - 2nd and 4th

Glencross - 2nd and 3rd

 

Can't see a player like Hansen bringing back less than them, all three of whom totally pooped the bed, btw.

[oldnews]

20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Simmons would have been the ideal winger for the Twins.  Crap!  I feel a spike in my BP.  Aspirin.

Don't worry Alf, we wouldn't have taken Simmonds with that pick.

The odds of that are even far lower than a 61st overall turning into Wayne Simmonds.

 

We took Patrick White at 25th that year.

If we'd kept the 61st we probably would have selected a John Negrin (who is now a Comet anyhow) or Yannick Weber lol, the next two RHD taken in that draft.

 

There were three other players taken in the 2nd round who became decent NHL players - PK Subban, Gagliardi and Spaling.

 

In other words, a 2 in 30 chance of drafting a player better than Hansen.   You can stargaze and forget the odds, but if you make too many 1 in 15 bets.... (edit: 2 in 31 chance)

[ForsbergTheGreat]

21 minutes ago, oldnews said:

He's not talking about drafting - he's talking about asset values - and the percentages attached to a  pick absolutely effects the market value of a pick.  Cherry picking in your mind's eye the one out of 3 or 4 that turned out only distorts your perspective of value.

 

Your point has literally nothing to do with Hansen's value or the value of a pick relative to his value.

 

 

Actually it does.  What value does Hansen provide this team in the future vs value a draft pick can have on this franchise. 

 

For instence.  If the plan is to simple expose Hansen in the draft in 3 months, does 3 months of Hansen = more or less value than a late first or 2nd round draft pick. 

 

 

[Jiggs50]

2nd or 3rd rd pick and a high ish end prospect? That would be sick

[Canada Hockey Place]

Hansen is like the only winger who works with everyone. 

 

Instead of trading Hansen, keep him and get more Cs that he can play with. 

 

More Hansen. Not less. IMO. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

Like the idea of packaging a few of our fav vets..like: Badger, Burr & one of the 4D. Even if the return is slightly lowered. Let these guys chase a ring(adapt to new team) together. Would really like that in a Cdn city..prob Mtl or Ottawa.

 

Then re-sign Burr, & even Hansen next summer!

 

Guess Burr's only got 2 or 3 yrs(tops) left in his tank. With Hansen's skating/fitness, he might have 7 or 8 more yrs of contributing. Love these guys!

[oldnews]

9 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Actually it does.  What value does Hansen provide this team in the future vs value a draft pick can have on this franchise. 

 

For instence.  If the plan is to simple expose Hansen in the draft in 3 months, does 3 months of Hansen = more or less value than a late first or 2nd round draft pick. 

 

 

You're letting poor logic dictate your rationalized devaluation of a player relative to a pick.

 

If LV selected the 7th forward (vs the 4th defenseman or 2nd goaltender) - and that happened to be Hansen, who happened to be exposed by Vancouver - then would his value be less than a pick - except you're ignoring that the team stands to lose a player regardless.  I see you like to ignore odds on both sides of the equation - but that doesn't add any calculative value to your concept of player/pick/asset values.  Regardless of whom they lose, that asset will have greater value than a 2nd round pick.

You're rationalizing and being logically reductive by suggesting that it'll necessarily be Hansen and therefore his value is lesser than the odds of a pick.   

 

[oldnews]

35 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Considering what Calgary got for their TDL offloads:

 

Russell - 3 pieces

Hudler - 2nd and 4th

Glencross - 2nd and 3rd

 

Can't see a player like Hansen bringing back less than them, all three of whom totally pooped the bed, btw.

Yeah, and in addition, those were mere rentals - and both Russell and Hudler signed contracts this year worth less than Hansen ( who is worth more than his cap hit) while Glencross isn't even in the league any longer.