Christy Clark to resign as BC Liberal Leader

[Burnt Gravy]

Reading all of this crying about how bad the Liberals were in BC is laughable. This is all cyclical. In every 1st world government in the world. Conservatives (right) will take power, de-regulate to bring in big business. Cut government funded programs and grow the economy. As the governed body begins to thrive, the weaker, lazy left minded people fall behind. People of the left don't have the internal drive to thrive. They need the government to provide programs and assistance to better their quality of life. They can't take advantage of something like a booming real estate market because that would take time away from feeling sorry for themselves. They cry about pipelines and cutting down trees as they don't own a single possession that could exist without one of those 2 things they cry about. 

 

As we all know, crying and complaining becomes contagious. Soon the people who can't keep up with a high octane unregulated conservative government, out number the ones who run with this bountiful golden era. Then an election comes around and a Left party like the NDP tells you how right you are and how they are going to take more money from the people who know what to do with money and give the people who are struggling because they are lazy. This government usually does stuff like raising corporate tax, driving out all the large and small businesses who thrived under deregulation. Which is ultimately offset by less people working. Soon the jobs dry up to a point where the government isn't getting enough income revenue to pay for their social programs. They keep borrowing and borrowing to increase infrastructure to stimulate the economy but it never works. No government in the world has ever been able to buy their way out of contraction.

 

Now the people are broke, nobody has jobs. Their real-estate  equity is in the negative if they somehow found a way to hold onto their house. But guess what? There is an election happening. The socialists get the boot, the conservatives start rebuilding and the cycle begins.

 

For those who don't depend  on BC for income start saving your money. During this NDP government, the value of property will decline. These left governments make great buying opportunities. Abandoned commercial property will be abundant. 

 

Edit****Anyone who gave gave me a rep is most likely a successful, financially stable, contributors to society.

 

the rest of you, you know what you are.

 

[Sapper]

BC leads the country in household debt. That means a lot of folks are living in credit cards. The stats showing us leading the country oddly enough don't consider the credit debt. 

 

Wages have not kept up to the cost of living in bc and the BC liberals were a huge part of that through legislation and how they did business.  

 

If credit card rates soar we are trouble. Easy cheap credit funded her stats and those debt loads have squashed most of the middle class. From anti union pro business legislation to the support of temp foreign workers the BC liberals have helped keep bc wages low.

[Sapper]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Gravy said:

Reading all of this crying about how bad the Liberals were in BC is laughable. This is all cyclical. In every 1st world government in the world. Conservatives (right) will take power, de-regulate to bring in big business. Cut government funded programs and grow the economy. As the governed body begins to thrive, the weaker, lazy left minded people fall behind. People of the left don't have the internal drive to thrive. They need the government to provide programs and assistance to better their quality of life. They can't take advantage of something like a booming real estate market because that would take time away from feeling sorry for themselves. They cry about pipelines and cutting down trees as they don't own a single possession that could exist without one of those 2 things they cry about. 

 

As we all know, crying and complaining becomes contagious. Soon the people who can't keep up with a high octane unregulated conservative government, out number the ones who run with this bountiful golden era. Then an election comes around and a Left party like the NDP tells you how right you are and how they are going to take more money from the people who know what to do with money and give the people who are struggling because they are lazy. This government usually does stuff like raising corporate tax, driving out all the large and small businesses who thrived under deregulation. Which is ultimately offset by less people working. Soon the jobs dry up to a point where the government isn't getting enough income revenue to pay for their social programs. They keep borrowing and borrowing to increase infrastructure to stimulate the economy but it never works. No government in the world has ever been able to buy their way out of contraction.

 

Now the people are broke, nobody has jobs. Their real-estate  equity is in the negative if they somehow found a way to hold onto their house. But guess what? There is an election happening. The socialists get the boot, the conservatives start rebuilding and the cycle begins.

 

For those who don't depend  on BC for income start saving your money. During this NDP government, the value of property will decline. These left governments make great buying opportunities. Abandoned commercial property will be abundant. 

Lazy left? You lost all credibility at that point. There Are many, many hard working people who vote NDP.  Your assumptions are ludicrous. 

[stanleysteamersmyl]

5 minutes ago, Burnt Gravy said:

Reading all of this crying about how bad the Liberals were in BC is laughable. This is all cyclical. In every 1st world government in the world. Conservatives (right) will take power, de-regulate to bring in big business. Cut government funded programs and grow the economy. As the governed body begins to thrive, the weaker, lazy left minded people fall behind. People of the left don't have the internal drive to thrive. They need the government to provide programs and assistance to better their quality of life. They can't take advantage of something like a booming real estate market because that would take time away from feeling sorry for themselves. They cry about pipelines and cutting down trees as they don't own a single possession that could exist without one of those 2 things they cry about. 

 

As we all know, crying and complaining becomes contagious. Soon the people who can't keep up with a high octane unregulated conservative government, out number the ones who run with this bountiful golden era. Then an election comes around and a Left party like the NDP tells you how right you are and how they are going to take more money from the people who know what to do with money and give the people who are struggling because they are lazy. This government usually does stuff like raising corporate tax, driving out all the large and small businesses who thrived under deregulation. Which is ultimately offset by less people working. Soon the jobs dry up to a point where the government isn't getting enough income revenue to pay for their social programs. They keep borrowing and borrowing to increase infrastructure to stimulate the economy but it never works. No government in the world has ever been able to buy their way out of contraction.

 

Now the people are broke, nobody has jobs. Their real-estate  equity is in the negative if they somehow found a way to hold onto their house. But guess what? There is an election happening. The socialists get the boot, the conservatives start rebuilding and the cycle begins.

 

For those who don't depend  on BC for income start saving your money. During this NDP government, the value of property will decline. These left governments make great buying opportunities. Abandoned commercial property will be abundant. 

On the taxpayers' credit card:  It's easy to spend others people's money!

 

But Clark also dramatically increased British Columbia’s debt load — up an astonishing $10.85 billion in just the last four years — ironically after Clark ran on a “debt free BC” slogan in 2013.

And since becoming premier in 2011, Clark added 30 per cent more debt to the province’s books than the BC NDP did in its entire 10 years in office.

The overall debt picture during the BC Liberals’ 16-year reign is even more grim. They jacked total debt from $33.8 billion in 2001 to $66.7 billion in 2017, with their budget predicting it would rise to an enormous $77.7 billion by 2020.

[Burnt Gravy]

6 minutes ago, iwtl said:

Lazy left? You lost all credibility at that point. There Are many, many hard working people who vote NDP.  Your assumptions are ludicrous. 

Crying is contagious. The hard working people get infected. 

[Warhippy]

1 hour ago, AbrasiveAjax said:

Good riddance????.  Want more fast ferries? higher Welfare rates? crank the minimum wage? increase tax on business?  God people forget how well the last NDP did. Lower MSP premiums are a bad thing? Ask any self employed person or business owner their thoughts. 

BC lead all of Canada in 2016 in economic growth. In the Black the past few years..........................

She did her job, period. They won the most seats, period.

 

Good time to be a teacher, government employee or in a union. 

OK champ lemme stop you there before you hurt yourself

 

1.  The "fast ferries" were sold for literally 9 cents on the dollar.  The businessman out of the ME who bought them spent the few hundred thousands to retrofit them as was suggested.  They work fine.  They were literally sold out of spite and would actually still be viable and running today in BC had the Libs just simply listened to experts.  Instead....they sold them for a pittance and cost BC a ton of cash return on them.

 

2.  Higher welfare rates?  In a province that is now the most expensive in canada for people who work, people with highly skilled positions and people with trades barely making it, no increase in welfare rates for over a decade is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever been down on their luck before.  $100 increase is nothing and will barely help the people who need it the most.

 

3.  Increase tax on business.  What increase?  One isn't scheduled, one hasn't been announced.  So unless you know something we don't sit down and shhhh.  Making things up to suit your narrative is called lying.

 

4.  The last NDP left BC with an almost $2 BILLION dollar surplus, strong education systems and a viable middle class after taking over from the Socred alliance who nearly bankrupted this province before then calling themselves the "bc liberals" they managed to do this in the face of a shattered forestry sector that was suffering under the new sustainable forestry registry out of Sweden, massive layoffs, a newly minted NAFTA agreement that was costing the entire country and a loss of manufacturing. 

 

5.  Lower...MSP premiums?  Sorry what?  They increased almost 100% or more under the Liberals in 16 years.  The NDP have literally nothing to do with that.  IN fact, look around.  those "low taxes" you claim exist are only there because the cost of fees and services has risen exponentially in comparison.  Keeping taxes low by ensuring your citizens shoulder the burden.  K

 

6.  I am a business owner, prior to my accident I employed 28 people at my peak, now I employ 3.  I don't see or net any major benefit from really anything the BC Liberals have done.

 

7.  BC Lead all of Canada in economic growth and any economist worth his salt will tell you unequivocally that is almost entirely based on real estate.  Take away land transfer taxes and payments from real estate deals and BC is barely middle of the pack.  This is with Saskatchewan and Alberta I might add in the tank due to dwindling resource prices

 

If you want to refute any of those with facts fly at er bud.  Otherwise.  Stop doing that lying thing k.  Looks bad

[PhillipBlunt]

 

Just now, Burnt Gravy said:

Crying is contagious. The hard working people get infected. 

Man, you are one hungry troll. Hopefully they don't feed your sad, whiny little ass, LaBam.....I mean Burnt Gravy.

 

 

[Burnt Gravy]

6 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

On the taxpayers' credit card:  It's easy to spend others people's money!

 

But Clark also dramatically increased British Columbia’s debt load — up an astonishing $10.85 billion in just the last four years — ironically after Clark ran on a “debt free BC” slogan in 2013.

And since becoming premier in 2011, Clark added 30 per cent more debt to the province’s books than the BC NDP did in its entire 10 years in office.

The overall debt picture during the BC Liberals’ 16-year reign is even more grim. They jacked total debt from $33.8 billion in 2001 to $66.7 billion in 2017, with their budget predicting it would rise to an enormous $77.7 billion by 2020.

I was generalizing. These liberals spent like the traditional liberals but a least they have or were on the way to have an economy strong enough to maintain this kind of spending. 

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

OK champ lemme stop you there before you hurt yourself

 

1.  The "fast ferries" were sold for literally 9 cents on the dollar.  The businessman out of the ME who bought them spent the few hundred thousands to retrofit them as was suggested.  They work fine.  They were literally sold out of spite and would actually still be viable and running today in BC had the Libs just simply listened to experts.  Instead....they sold them for a pittance and cost BC a ton of cash return on them.

 

2.  Higher welfare rates?  In a province that is now the most expensive in canada for people who work, people with highly skilled positions and people with trades barely making it, no increase in welfare rates for over a decade is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever been down on their luck before.  $100 increase is nothing and will barely help the people who need it the most.

 

3.  Increase tax on business.  What increase?  One isn't scheduled, one hasn't been announced.  So unless you know something we don't sit down and shhhh.  Making things up to suit your narrative is called lying.

 

4.  The last NDP left BC with an almost $2 BILLION dollar surplus, strong education systems and a viable middle class after taking over from the Socred alliance who nearly bankrupted this province before then calling themselves the "bc liberals" they managed to do this in the face of a shattered forestry sector that was suffering under the new sustainable forestry registry out of Sweden, massive layoffs, a newly minted NAFTA agreement that was costing the entire country and a loss of manufacturing. 

 

5.  Lower...MSP premiums?  Sorry what?  They increased almost 100% or more under the Liberals in 16 years.  The NDP have literally nothing to do with that.  IN fact, look around.  those "low taxes" you claim exist are only there because the cost of fees and services has risen exponentially in comparison.  Keeping taxes low by ensuring your citizens shoulder the burden.  K

 

6.  I am a business owner, prior to my accident I employed 28 people at my peak, now I employ 3.  I don't see or net any major benefit from really anything the BC Liberals have done.

 

7.  BC Lead all of Canada in economic growth and any economist worth his salt will tell you unequivocally that is almost entirely based on real estate.  Take away land transfer taxes and payments from real estate deals and BC is barely middle of the pack.  This is with Saskatchewan and Alberta I might add in the tank due to dwindling resource prices

 

If you want to refute any of those with facts fly at er bud.  Otherwise.  Stop doing that lying thing k.  Looks bad

Two things Warhippy.

 

1. I was under the impression that the fast ferries were tanked because there wakes were heightening erosion on coastal areas, especially around Active Pass.

 

2. Did you lean more to the right when you employed 28 people? I would assume so based on Burnt Gravy's dazzling insight into political spectrum demographics.

[Warhippy]

21 minutes ago, Burnt Gravy said:

Reading all of this crying about how bad the Liberals were in BC is laughable. This is all cyclical. In every 1st world government in the world. Conservatives (right) will take power, de-regulate to bring in big business. Cut government funded programs and grow the economy. As the governed body begins to thrive, the weaker, lazy left minded people fall behind. People of the left don't have the internal drive to thrive. They need the government to provide programs and assistance to better their quality of life. They can't take advantage of something like a booming real estate market because that would take time away from feeling sorry for themselves. They cry about pipelines and cutting down trees as they don't own a single possession that could exist without one of those 2 things they cry about. 

 

As we all know, crying and complaining becomes contagious. Soon the people who can't keep up with a high octane unregulated conservative government, out number the ones who run with this bountiful golden era. Then an election comes around and a Left party like the NDP tells you how right you are and how they are going to take more money from the people who know what to do with money and give the people who are struggling because they are lazy. This government usually does stuff like raising corporate tax, driving out all the large and small businesses who thrived under deregulation. Which is ultimately offset by less people working. Soon the jobs dry up to a point where the government isn't getting enough income revenue to pay for their social programs. They keep borrowing and borrowing to increase infrastructure to stimulate the economy but it never works. No government in the world has ever been able to buy their way out of contraction.

 

Now the people are broke, nobody has jobs. Their real-estate  equity is in the negative if they somehow found a way to hold onto their house. But guess what? There is an election happening. The socialists get the boot, the conservatives start rebuilding and the cycle begins.

 

For those who don't depend  on BC for income start saving your money. During this NDP government, the value of property will decline. These left governments make great buying opportunities. Abandoned commercial property will be abundant. 

I agree

 

Since the election both provincially but also federally the crying coming from the right has been endless and spreading like wildfire.  Endless accusations without any grounds let alone proof.  NUmbers up across the board yet no credit given and instead "fake news" or "false facts from biased outlets"

 

I mean come on...it's getting old.  Stop acting like children amirite

[Warhippy]

Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

Two things Warhippy.

 

1. I was under the impression that the fast ferries were tanked because there wakes were heightening erosion on coastal areas, especially around Active Pass.

 

2. Did you lean more to the right when you employed 28 people? I would assume so based on Burnt Gravy's dazzling insight into political spectrum demographics.

Half of the issue was in fact the draught; but also the intake on the vessels which was found to be sucking up debris.  The were retrofitted with galvanized intakes but also with for lack of a better term a girdle which distributed the wake more evenly.  Cost per vessel was something like $400k.  A slap in the face really to taxpayers

 

I actually was/always have been a person who leans more to the right.  But todays "right" is not the conservative right I grew up with.  They are liars, they are opportunists and they would do anything to save face or better themselves.  There is no such thing anymore as a social or fiscal conservative in Canada.  I employed 28 people as a centrist and still sit in the center today.

[PhillipBlunt]

6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Half of the issue was in fact the draught; but also the intake on the vessels which was found to be sucking up debris.  The were retrofitted with galvanized intakes but also with for lack of a better term a girdle which distributed the wake more evenly.  Cost per vessel was something like $400k.  A slap in the face really to taxpayers

Good to know.

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I actually was/always have been a person who leans more to the right.  But todays "right" is not the conservative right I grew up with.  They are liars, they are opportunists and they would do anything to save face or better themselves.  There is no such thing anymore as a social or fiscal conservative in Canada.  I employed 28 people as a centrist and still sit in the center today.

It was in jest really, WH. I too, try to steer clear of going too far to either side of the spectrum. There are enough good ideas within either ideology to waste time towing the line in exclusivity for either.  

[aGENT]

Hilarious how so many are viewing this as some sort of 'victory' #real change 

 

She'll just be replaced by another one of these soon:

 

 

[DonLever]

35 minutes ago, stanleysteamersmyl said:

BC Business Council:

 

On the most important measure of any economy — real Gross Domestic Product growth — the Business Council report found that the BC NDP in the 1990s led the way with annual 2.72 per cent increases, significantly better than the BC Liberals at 2.36 per cent in the 2000s or Social Credit’s 2.12 per cent in the 1980s.

Yes, that’s right: the social democratic NDP under then premiers Mike Harcourt and Glen Clark presided over a faster growing economy than the BC Liberals under premier Gordon Campbell and deputy premier Christy Clark.

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/07/25/BC-NDP-Dismal-Decade/

 

CC and the Liberals sold out B.C. 

Yes, but the article conveniently left out the fact the NDP had a deficit 9 years out of 10.  The problem was that the NDP had trouble keeping spending under control.

 

BTW, the Tyree is a supporter of the NDP and can't be considered unbiased.  

[Warhippy]

6 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Good to know.

It was in jest really, WH. I too, try to steer clear of going too far to either side of the spectrum. There are enough good ideas within either ideology to waste time towing the line in exclusivity for either.  

The issue with the current system in canada is the same as the system in the US

 

It is essentially a 2 party system in which the politicians have engendered themselves an almost fail safe position of lucrative benefits that will essentially never end.

 

Sure they might get voted out, but then they eat their golden pension while enjoying a nice cushy job in the private sector for *favors*

 

They can literally avoid doing any real work and get by simply by pointing the finger across the floor at their counterparts and screaming "They're bad"

 

The moment politicians stopped working for the people and started working for themselves is when this all started.  The only way to fix it is to start voting in fringe candidates that literally know their political lives are on the line and they need to perform for their constituents and not their corporate masters

[PhillipBlunt]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The issue with the current system in canada is the same as the system in the US

 

It is essentially a 2 party system in which the politicians have engendered themselves an almost fail safe position of lucrative benefits that will essentially never end.

 

Sure they might get voted out, but then they eat their golden pension while enjoying a nice cushy job in the private sector for *favors*

And the general (numbed) public has accepted that politicians are corrupt by nature, and because so many people have allowed their rights to be neutered, they look at any word to the contrary as the conspiracy theories their government warned them about.

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They can literally avoid doing any real work and get by simply by pointing the finger across the floor at their counterparts and screaming "They're bad"

They create these built in assumptions that this bill will take X amount of time to make it through legislature and legal wrangling, and the public accepts it, well enough do that it makes it effective for them.

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The moment politicians stopped working for the people and started working for themselves is when this all started.  The only way to fix it is to start voting in fringe candidates that literally know their political lives are on the line and they need to perform for their constituents and not their corporate masters

Very, very true. An end to the oligarchy has to happen.

[kingofsurrey]

Parties raging all over Surrey tonight celebrating the great news today........  

 

 

[Grapefruits]

11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Parties raging all over Surrey tonight celebrating the great news today........  

 

 

So what is the over/under for shootings and drug overdoses?  All Clark's fault of course. She "destroyed" BC after all.

[kingofsurrey]

14 minutes ago, Grapefruits said:

So what is the over/under for shootings and drug overdoses?  All Clark's fault of course. She "destroyed" BC after all.

Sadly shootings and drug overdoses are way to common across our once beautiful province pretty much in every town/city.

 

Maybe if our  BC  government   better supported mental health services  / education  and addiction counselling / treatment, there would be less people struggling.

 

Thanks for pointing this out.    

 

Time for another drink and celebrate the great news everyone in BC got today....

[Gurn]

4 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said:

And the general (numbed) public has accepted that politicians are corrupt by nature, and because so many people have allowed their rights to be neutered, they look at any word to the contrary as the conspiracy theories their government warned them about.

They create these built in assumptions that this bill will take X amount of time to make it through legislature and legal wrangling, and the public accepts it, well enough do that it makes it effective for them.

Very, very true. An end to the oligarchy has to happen.

I'd like to propose that the mayor of the biggest city or town in each provincial riding be asked to run in the next provincial election. They will have some experience with rules and regs but will not be "beholden" to a political party, for the most part.