Alflives Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: Hate to say it, Boudrias, but the weakest member of the defensive corps is sitting out and may be traded in short time. Other than Gudbranson, who (on our D) is not weak? They are all way too easy to play against. If a guy is not putting up points, then he sure as heck better be either a fabulous shut down guy (Tanev) or an intimidating force (Guddy - who could do more of that, I think). I really don't see where the other Dmen fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Other than Gudbranson, who (on our D) is not weak? They are all way too easy to play against. If a guy is not putting up points, then he sure as heck better be either a fabulous shut down guy (Tanev) or an intimidating force (Guddy - who could do more of that, I think). I really don't see where the other Dmen fit? Del Zotto can play a physical game. Edler, if the mood strikes him, can play a physical game. Stecher and Pouliot aren't shrinking wallflowers either. The Canucks need to establish a better defense though, I agree. Maybe replace Nolan Baumgartner, as he is the defensive coach, and seemingly (by the play of the defense lately) has lost touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Del Zotto can play a physical game. Edler, if the mood strikes him, can play a physical game. Stecher and Pouliot aren't shrinking wallflowers either. The Canucks need to establish a better defense though, I agree. Maybe replace Nolan Baumgartner, as he is the defensive coach, and seemingly (by the play of the defense lately) has lost touch. To be fair, we haven't had a great defensive core for five years. Baumer has very little to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Just now, -AJ- said: To be fair, we haven't had a great defensive core for five years. Baumer has very little to work with. They were playing well earlier in the season, when the defensive line-up was essentially the same. I'd say this defense hasn't been very good in over 7 years really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Del Zotto can play a physical game. Edler, if the mood strikes him, can play a physical game. Stecher and Pouliot aren't shrinking wallflowers either. The Canucks need to establish a better defense though, I agree. Maybe replace Nolan Baumgartner, as he is the defensive coach, and seemingly (by the play of the defense lately) has lost touch. I really don't think the other teams we play are afraid of being run (hard) by any of our D, other than Guddy. Plus, Guddy can take hits to free up pucks. Tanev tries, but gets hurt. Our other guys don't do it at all, excepting Edler, who is poking at pucks now too. We are WAY TOO EASY to play against. Who, on D, in our prospect pool, will bring much needed 'heavy' play? We need to trade for young, tough, and skilled Dmen, who are nasty to play against. IMHAO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 8, 2018 Author Share Posted January 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: They were playing well earlier in the season, when the defensive line-up was essentially the same. I'd say this defense hasn't been very good in over 7 years really. 7 years ago we had the best team in the league by far. I'd say the back end with Ehrhoff and Edler in his prime was pretty dang good, not to mention a solid Salo and Bieksa as well. Our d-core were definitely better early on, I'll grant you that, but the great goaltending we had back then also helped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 Canucks defenceman Michael Del Zotto sits down with Canucks TV for an exclusive interview where he discusses what it means to play 'the right way'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Hate to say it, Boudrias, but the weakest member of the defensive corps is sitting out and may be traded in short time. ??? Geez Phil the only d-man sitting is Tanev? What sacrilege are you committing? Not that I would not trade Tanev. I think he has the most value but I simply think his style of play will always bring on injuries. I originally wanted Edler traded but now think he can run his contract out and maybe even resigned for another year. Much of this depends on Gudbranson and whether they can resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Del Zotto can play a physical game. Edler, if the mood strikes him, can play a physical game. Stecher and Pouliot aren't shrinking wallflowers either. The Canucks need to establish a better defense though, I agree. Maybe replace Nolan Baumgartner, as he is the defensive coach, and seemingly (by the play of the defense lately) has lost touch. My impression is Green wants a up tempo game that requires the d-core to play up to enhance the puck possession. The pinching seems to be increasing more than not. All the d-men are getting caught. I suspect there is supposed to be a high forward to cover. It can work but the forecheck has to be working and the forwards are losing puck battles more than they were. MDZ's goal was classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: ??? Geez Phil the only d-man sitting is Tanev? What sacrilege are you committing? Not that I would not trade Tanev. I think he has the most value but I simply think his style of play will always bring on injuries. I originally wanted Edler traded but now think he can run his contract out and maybe even resigned for another year. Much of this depends on Gudbranson and whether they can resign him. I think he might be talking about Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 11 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Del Zotto can play a physical game. Edler, if the mood strikes him, can play a physical game. Stecher and Pouliot aren't shrinking wallflowers either. The Canucks need to establish a better defense though, I agree. Maybe replace Nolan Baumgartner, as he is the defensive coach, and seemingly (by the play of the defense lately) has lost touch. i just did a quick look at this year compared to last year goals for and against last year the combined total was around 420 (180 for 240 against) this year we are in track to approach 500 - 110 for 140 against.. . double that . and so there is about an extra goal a game . and extra 1/2 for and a 1/2 against it is a more open system of play more offensive pressure.. a riskier overall style of play that exposes the d more and requires better d if they are average .. as our lot mostly is.. they appear to be worse then they really are . since this system exposes them more but that extra goal scoring is more entertaining and when you do not have great talent you better entertain if you want to sell tickets the number of break downs and odd man rushes against montreal early in the game was awful hockey almost seemed like it was a system of play that was not coached but it was exciting and frustrating at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, coastal.view said: i just did a quick look at this year compared to last year goals for and against last year the combined total was around 420 (180 for 240 against) this year we are in track to approach 500 - 110 for 140 against.. . double that . and so there is about an extra goal a game . and extra 1/2 for and a 1/2 against it is a more open system of play more offensive pressure.. a riskier overall style of play that exposes the d more and requires better d if they are average .. as our lot mostly is.. they appear to be worse then they really are . since this system exposes them more but that extra goal scoring is more entertaining and when you do not have great talent you better entertain if you want to sell tickets the number of break downs and odd man rushes against montreal early in the game was awful hockey almost seemed like it was a system of play that was not coached but it was exciting and frustrating at the same time There is truth in what you say. The NHL is still at 2.95 goals-per-game, far higher than it's been in a long while. It's definitely a more offensive year so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 hours ago, coastal.view said: i just did a quick look at this year compared to last year goals for and against last year the combined total was around 420 (180 for 240 against) this year we are in track to approach 500 - 110 for 140 against.. . double that . and so there is about an extra goal a game . and extra 1/2 for and a 1/2 against it is a more open system of play more offensive pressure.. a riskier overall style of play that exposes the d more and requires better d if they are average .. as our lot mostly is.. they appear to be worse then they really are . since this system exposes them more but that extra goal scoring is more entertaining and when you do not have great talent you better entertain if you want to sell tickets the number of break downs and odd man rushes against montreal early in the game was awful hockey almost seemed like it was a system of play that was not coached but it was exciting and frustrating at the same time Green's system also works better when you have your two best defensive C's, a guy like Dorsett, Tanev, Gudbranson etc pitching in on the back check/D coverage. That's why we picked up Dowd and recalled Chaput. But let's face it. Dowd is not Horvat and Chaput is not Sutter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Green's system also works better when you have your two best defensive C's, a guy like Dorsett, Tanev, Gudbranson etc pitching in on the back check/D coverage. That's why we picked up Dowd and recalled Chaput. But let's face it. Dowd is not Horvat and Chaput is not Sutter. the system requires more talented players overall for sure which then begs the question why is it being used presently in absence of those key players (including tanev and dorsett) the canuck team has been largely ventilated the past dozen games or more - the goals against is dreadful i did not like the wd lock down system that he used due to limited talent he had on the team yet it was more effective given the players on the team the current group has a very low chance of winning using the current system but i guess the injury storm is mostly nearing an end now baer is back sutter is soon to return and bo should be back within 2 to 3 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 28 minutes ago, coastal.view said: the system requires more talented players overall for sure which then begs the question why is it being used presently in absence of those key players (including tanev and dorsett) the canuck team has been largely ventilated the past dozen games or more - the goals against is dreadful i did not like the wd lock down system that he used due to limited talent he had on the team yet it was more effective given the players on the team the current group has a very low chance of winning using the current system but i guess the injury storm is mostly nearing an end now baer is back sutter is soon to return and bo should be back within 2 to 3 weeks Because winning this year frankly doesn't matter. Teaching players how we want them to play in the future does. That'd be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Because winning this year frankly doesn't matter. Teaching players how we want them to play in the future does. That'd be my guess. sounds very nice a bit of a trite statement though (except the part that it frankly does not matter) what is being taught though to the less then talented group? that you are not good enough? that we have designed and implemented a system of play that does not suit you? it's kinda a square peg round hole situation you cannot reasonably suggest the system has been working well for this motley group the past 12 to 15 games it is the wrong system for this depleted team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, coastal.view said: sounds very nice a bit of a trite statement though (except the part that it frankly does not matter) what is being taught though to the less then talented group? that you are not good enough? that we have designed and implemented a system of play that does not suit you? it's kinda a square peg round hole situation you cannot reasonably suggest the system has been working well for this motley group the past 12 to 15 games it is the wrong system for this depleted team Couldn't disagree more. I doubt our wins/losses would be very (or any) different with a different system given present circumstances. The team has been tied or within a goal heading in to the 3rd for the vast majority of this losing streak with a HIGHLY depleted roster. I also think that the team as a whole is far more focused on development this year than our win/loss record. Playing 'the right way' has been highly focused on, even in their media. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Couldn't disagree more. I doubt our wins/losses would be very (or any) different with a different system given present circumstances. The team has been tied or within a goal heading in to the 3rd for the vast majority of this losing streak with a HIGHLY depleted roster. I also think that the team as a whole is far more focused on development this year than our win/loss record. Playing 'the right way' has been highly focused on, even in their media. then we just disagree you can cherry pick games if you wish but it is clear the canucks largely have not been able to score the past 15 games and are being scored on at a very high rate i have not done so . but if you total the goals for and against over the past 15 games those numbers will tell you the chances of winning have been very poor given the gap in offense compared to defense now i have made myself curious and may just have to do that tabulation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: then we just disagree you can cherry pick games if you wish but it is clear the canucks largely have not been able to score the past 15 games and are being scored on at a very high rate i have not done so . but if you total the goals for and against over the past 15 games those numbers will tell you the chances of winning have been very poor given the gap in offense compared to defense now i have made myself curious and may just have to do that tabulation But it's not as simple as GF / GA. Yeah a couple have been blow outs, like the ugly Ducks game but as I said, most games have had us close heading in to the 3rd. A lot of those GA were empty netters like in the MON game. That's not really 'system' but circumstance. And again, just about everything the team has done since/starting with firing WD last year, has been with the team focused far less on results and more on development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: But it's not as simple as GF / GA. Yeah a couple have been blow outs, like the ugly Ducks game but as I said, most games have had us close heading in to the 3rd. A lot of those GA were empty netters like in the MON game. That's not really 'system' but circumstance. And again, just about everything the team has done since/starting with firing WD last year, has been with the team focused far less on results and more on development. without brock (his 22 goals has made our offense look better then it is - basically no one else is scoring) this team is far worse then then team that played last year that is reality he has made this awful team look much better then it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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