Warhippy Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/16/2020 at 4:00 PM, CBH1926 said: Corporate “welfare” is estimated at 100b per year, numbers that I found point to 74.5b in 2018. Legal loopholes that reduce tax burden for companies should be closed. No argument there, also that money could used for better purposes. After looking at Sanders plan on how to finance Medicare for all, I feel that we are nowhere near the 32trillion number. To me math is not open to interpretation, 2+2 is always 4, now in philosophy class you can argue anything. Ummm. Seems maybe, just maybe that level and number might be greater than you or i thought? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/?fbclid=IwAR0ag6n4ZI-A6hKce3JFLcrhlzuXCekBVG4cGVhrqqbSXrRrv_WVzJ4x9GQ#5ccb45a74473 A new International Monetary Fund (IMF) study shows that USD$5.2 trillion was spent globally on fossil fuel subsidies in 2017. The equivalent of over 6.5% of global GDP of that year, it also represented a half-trillion dollar increase since 2015 when China ($1.4 trillion), the United States ($649 billion) and Russia ($551 billion) were the largest subsidizers. Buckle’s analysis of the inefficiency of fossil fuel subsidies is illustrated best by the United States’ own expenditure: the $649 billion the US spent on these subsidies in 2015 is more than the country’s defense budget and 10 times the federal spending for education . When read in conjunction with a recent studyshowing that up to 80% of the United States could in principle be powered by renewables, the amount spent on fossil fuel subsidies seems even more indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Pete Buttigieg's father was President of the International Gramscian Movement. A communist front for infiltrating the education system and media. Wiki Hmmm....maybe you can link this. When I searched for the "International Gramscian Movement", there were zero results.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Boudrias said: Pete Buttigieg's father was President of the International Gramscian Movement. A communist front for infiltrating the education system and media. Wiki Since you have such a fond history of making statements that are not supported by reality I decided to look. Turns out he was an avowed marxist who stated that there was in fact aspects of communism that would in effect heighten and support capitalism flawlessly in a manor that ensured the people were taken care of instead of business over people. To claim he was a pure marxist or communist is not only a lie though it is disengenuous by his fathers own statements he was neither a marxist or a communist but supported the belief that a toned down version of marxism could in fact as stated be introduced in to the current US structure to the benefit of the people. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pete-buttigiegs-father-was-a-marxist-professor-who-lauded-the-communist-manifesto https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/buttigieg-father-marxist/ https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-grotesque-red-baiting-of-mayor-pete-3 In essence, he was in fact a marxist of sorts. But to claim he was a communist as many are now attempting to is erroneous Edited February 18, 2020 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Ummm. Seems maybe, just maybe that level and number might be greater than you or i thought? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/?fbclid=IwAR0ag6n4ZI-A6hKce3JFLcrhlzuXCekBVG4cGVhrqqbSXrRrv_WVzJ4x9GQ#5ccb45a74473 A new International Monetary Fund (IMF) study shows that USD$5.2 trillion was spent globally on fossil fuel subsidies in 2017. The equivalent of over 6.5% of global GDP of that year, it also represented a half-trillion dollar increase since 2015 when China ($1.4 trillion), the United States ($649 billion) and Russia ($551 billion) were the largest subsidizers. Buckle’s analysis of the inefficiency of fossil fuel subsidies is illustrated best by the United States’ own expenditure: the $649 billion the US spent on these subsidies in 2015 is more than the country’s defense budget and 10 times the federal spending for education . When read in conjunction with a recent studyshowing that up to 80% of the United States could in principle be powered by renewables, the amount spent on fossil fuel subsidies seems even more indefensible. Those subsidies are not all corporate. They also include the indirect costs of pollution, including health impacts and deaths. Doesn't mean the you are wrong about the 100b comparison, just that the numbers are inflated compared to actual corporate welfare and not clearly outlined here. Would be nice if they showed the direct subsidies. On a side note, I absolutely hate the comments made in articles like these, comparing it to education spending, because they are comparing it against the federal education budget, which is far lower than the combined state budgets. It misleads people. Further, there should be less spending at the fed level, but that's for another day/thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: not in the least. Trump and his father are racists. The claim that Pete is a commie is baseless. You said his father was a nazi, you got proof for that claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Apparently Bloomberg is now polling well enough to participate in the next Democratic debate. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/newspolitics/michael-bloomberg-surges-in-poll-and-qualifies-for-democratic-debate-in-las-vegas/ar-BB107oLY?li=AAggFp5 He wouldn't be my first choice, but he has access to almost unlimited funds and Trump supporters can't throw the word "socialism" at him the way they will if Bernie wins the nomination. The GoP wouldn't be able to cite his lack of experience, since his candidacy pretty much mirrors that of Trump's in 2015. About all they'd have on him is "stop and frisk", which looks pretty weak when compared with images of kids in cages and video of Trump calling White Supremacists "very fine people" in Charlottesville. And you know MB will spend the money to remind voters of all of president Dotard's many mistakes during the past three years. He can literally spends billions on advertising and I'm betting he will. Yeah, he wasn't on my radar either but he might enjoy going against Trump. They are both loud mouth New Yorkers and probably know the same circle of people. I think Bloomberg will dig up even more dirt on Trump. Personally i would like for someone under the age of 100 to win. I do like Amy and Pete, hopefully there is a VP ticket for them in case the old guys win. Edited February 18, 2020 by CBH1926 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Yeah, he wasn't on my radar either but he might enjoy going against Trump. They are both loud mouth New Yorkers and probably know the same circle of people. I think Bloomberg will dig up even more dirt on Trump. Personally i would like for someone under the age of 100 to win. I do like Amy and Pete, hopefully there is a VP ticket for them in case the old guys win. If I had my druthers, that would be the Democratic ticket, but right now, all I care about is getting rid of Bone Spurs before he can do more damage. If Bloomberg can get that done, I'll be a fan (for 4 years, at least) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: If I had my druthers, that would be the Democratic ticket, but right now, all I care about is getting rid of Bone Spurs before he can do more damage. If Bloomberg can get that done, I'll be a fan (for 4 years, at least) Going into this I thought Biden would win the nomination but that seems less likely every day. But i agree with rest of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, CBH1926 said: Going into this I thought Biden would win the nomination but that seems less likely every day. But i agree with rest of your post. I thought the same, but he's turned into a gaffe machine since the nomination process started and he's been pretty weak in the debates, so I'm not surprised that he's slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I thought the same, but he's turned into a gaffe machine since the nomination process started and he's been pretty weak in the debates, so I'm not surprised that he's slipping. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, gurn said: That one is just weird....maybe it was something people said in jest, back when Napoleon was a cadet.... But the one that just blew me away was when he talked about how we had to keep "punching away" at the problem of abuse of women. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: That one is just weird....maybe it was something people said in jest, back when Napoleon was a cadet.... But the one that just blew me away was when he talked about how we had to keep "punching away" at the problem of abuse of women. Biden will drop out soon. I wonder who he will support after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Biden will drop out soon. I wonder who he will support after that? I wouldn't count him out yet. We're only through two primaries, both in "white" states. Uncle Joe has a lot of support among blacks, so lets see how he does as they move south. In answer to your question: probably Amy or Pete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: I wouldn't count him out yet. We're only through two primaries, both in "white" states. Uncle Joe has a lot of support among blacks, so lets see how he does as they move south. In answer to your question: probably Amy or Pete. Ya, I was think Buttigieg. Fir sure it will not be Bernie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said: I wouldn't count him out yet. We're only through two primaries, both in "white" states. Uncle Joe has a lot of support among blacks, so lets see how he does as they move south. In answer to your question: probably Amy or Pete. These first few states will get rid of the dead weight. Super Tuesday will be where the field will be slashed. The candidates who finish outside of the top 3 will be in serious trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Alflives said: Biden will drop out soon. I wonder who he will support after that? Amy or Pete and maybe Bloomberg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Bloomberg is getting lot of coverage on Fox and Breitbart, he must not be Trump’s favorite opponent. Edited February 19, 2020 by CBH1926 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 It looks like business insider has uncovered another Bolshevik running in 2020. If we continue like this, the only people eligible to run might be Rush, Hannity and Buchanan. Bloomberg's plan for Wall Street crackdown takes cues from Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/bloombergs-plan-for-wall-street-crackdown-takes-cues-from-sanders-ocasio-cortez/ar-BB107RPB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 19 hours ago, gurn said: That has 'OK boomer' written all over it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 So we're clear. Yale studies show a $450 billion savings across the US if universal medicare was enacted. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/medicare-save-450-billion-68-232211541.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHpoTCBrbs8GdQaTHdh8TJaFedHlzrwnfry96TTiL1_yUV79IwYZbcu_mQencKbaUgqV7uNsD2HNaUNxFY4zR15-SxesEye81IssemWs_I5gvnWTt2R-9Eg27UXcYIlFQy6_h2UOc_aVKWYxhwgT9rCQGx1ss5trVPS0vw0q6LTl Factor that in with saving almost $650 billion on fossil fuel subsidies https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/?fbclid=IwAR0ag6n4ZI-A6hKce3JFLcrhlzuXCekBVG4cGVhrqqbSXrRrv_WVzJ4x9GQ#3ec69c324473 And then factor in the $100+ billion estimated in corporate welfare https://www.equities.com/news/corporate-welfare-how-big-business-lives-off-government-subsidies Seems to me there's over a trillion dollars per year in savings alone. Not factored in of course is the amount people would in fact save not going in to debt because they broke an arm, had a baby or caught a cold which in fact would further bolster the economy. Seems maybe, just maybe the fears of a national medicare program are...not quite as grounded in reality as some purport them to be 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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