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[GDT] Ducks @ Nucks - Feb 16 2020 - 2pm Pacific - AFTERNOON GAME - SNET

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4 minutes ago, JamesB said:

 

Just weighing in on the Schaller vs. Bailey situation.

 

1. First, Bailey has not yet won the trust of Green. He only played 3 minutes in the last game. Personally,  I like Bailey's game -- good size, physical play, high energy, good speed, and he was scoring in Utica. I would like to see more of him. But Green is not sold  yet. And he obviously sees more than most of us do, especially with the benefit of video and input from the video coaches.

 

2. As for Schaller, he has not been as good with the Canucks as he was with Boston, which means that he has been a disappointment. His 6 pts in 50 games this year is poor, even for a guy playing only about 9 or 10 minutes a game. The only forward on the team with a lower even strength pts per 60 number is Beagle. Schaller's +/- of -13 is poor, as are his Corsi numbers.  And that is not explainable on the basis of tough quality of opposition, as the Horvat line took over the primary shutdown duty in late November and the Beagle line has had a quality of opposition that is no better than average and probably weaker than average. 

 

However, Schaller is good on the PK. He has played more PK minutes this year than any forward except for Beagle, and his goals against per 60 minutes is better than Beagle or Sutter. He also has a good number for hits per 60 minutes. And he has shown flashes of good offensive performance this year.  

 

So, bottom line: just having Schaller around for the PK is a big plus, as Green would not trust Bailey on the PK. Also, if Schaller is rested and able to play a high energy game, he can be very valuable in terms of the physical game. And he has been a solid NHL player for quite a few years. Green probably thinks Schaller is a better bet than Bailey for the stretch run and would like to give him some confidence--or at least give him another shot to show that he should be in the line-up. 

Agree with what you're saying, just wanted to chime in on the bolded part in that it looks like Horvat and Beagle lines are splitting the shutdown duties as opposed to Horvat being the sole shutdown line. We don't have the depth that some teams do to have two powerhouse scoring lines yet, so we are countering with two shutdown lines while the Horvat line in general has more minutes as they are given more offensive looks as well where as the Beagle one is strictly for defensive duties.

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3 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Agree with what you're saying, just wanted to chime in on the bolded part in that it looks like Horvat and Beagle lines are splitting the shutdown duties as opposed to Horvat being the sole shutdown line. We don't have the depth that some teams do to have two powerhouse scoring lines yet, so we are countering with two shutdown lines while the Horvat line in general has more minutes as they are given more offensive looks as well where as the Beagle one is strictly for defensive duties.

Yeah Theo's right, Beagle line has been used as a shutdown line quite often.  

They did an amazing job at shutting down Larkin-Bertuzzi-Mantha, Malkin line and a few others.  I really like having them as a shutdown line against the more physical top lines. 

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24 minutes ago, HorvatToBaertschi said:

Bailey wasn’t ineffective. He got benched after an uncostly mistake in the beginning of the 2nd. 
As always, we have 0 tolerance vis a vis youngsters coming up and learning. 
i’m not really that mad about him sitting this one out, it could make him really underatand the magnitude of his mistake, but idk anaheim seems like a great time for youngsters to get their feet wet on our team. Kind of weird.  

The mistake was not Bailey's alone, the puck supporting forward/defenseman who ever it was stopped skating towards the play as Bailey pushed the puck towards the boards!

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Just now, 6string said:

No surprise Schaller is in under Green's watch, he prefers veterans. He only gave Bailey 3 minutes in a game we were mostly outplayed against Chicago

Is Green still our coach if Marky isn’t stealing so many games?  His systems are terrible for possession, and his player decisions often are off.  

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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Every player makes mistakes.  It’s a good coach who gets the best out of his players, while not ruining any player’s confidence.  We gave up 49 shots last game.  There were a lot of mistakes made by a lot of players.  Green makes some interesting choices.  I’m not at all confident about his choices for today’s game.  

When you're the new guy trying to establish yourself, it's best to just make no mistakes even with zeroes across the board. This isn't Bailey's first rodeo, so rookie mistakes are not going to be well liked. Look at MacEwen when he has earned the trust of the coaches. He's making his time count.

 

Aside from Bailey/Schaller, what are the other interesting choices? Starting Demko? Lineups often change within the game as Green sees fit. I'm pretty confident in the guy that has helped contribute to us being 1st in the Pacific. Also seemed to have the vote of confidence from the Sedins.

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Just now, theo5789 said:

When you're the new guy trying to establish yourself, it's best to just make no mistakes even with zeroes across the board. This isn't Bailey's first rodeo, so rookie mistakes are not going to be well liked. Look at MacEwen when he has earned the trust of the coaches. He's making his time count.

 

Aside from Bailey/Schaller, what are the other interesting choices? Starting Demko? Lineups often change within the game as Green sees fit. I'm pretty confident in the guy that has helped contribute to us being 1st in the Pacific. Also seemed to have the vote of confidence from the Sedins.

Green is riding on the coattails of Marky. Now Demko is playing today.  Will Demko have to steal the win today?  Considering Green’s choices, likely. 

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Now that the shine has worn off on that ridiculous s-word, as amazing at it was, not only is it unsustainable, it should have been a major wakeup call to the fan base as to the long term prospects (this season) for how the rest of the season is likely to play out. Reminding me more of 2009/2010 more every single game (Lu / Schneids carried hard).

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