RyanKeslord17 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Better than no hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 As a player - you would steer clear of NYI (or any other team that may do that). If I am not mistaken -- the 'bonuses' in ELC are going to be removed from the Salary Cap hit.... which is what teams like NYI were using to get to the cap floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bettman is "mystified" that the players didn't accept their last offer? What the hell? He's mystified that the players didn't accept a deal that took away 20% of their salaries, and restricted their contracting rights more than any other professional sports league in the world? I guess the real problem here is that Bettman is just out of touch with reality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie My fear would be $211M is absolute max NHL will go to and that offer will soon have time limit attached to it, could be reduced/pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stexx Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie My fear would be $211M is absolute max NHL will go to and that offer will soon have time limit attached to it, could be reduced/pulled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I agree. It'd be limited somewhat as most of the larger deals would have NTC clauses to protect them from being moved around like stocks rather than players. The exception would be players signing significant deals right after their ELCs or while still an RFA, as those contracts aren't allowed NTC/NMC clauses (although it's possible that changes in the new CBA). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Karlsson Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I'm thinking a deal will be made around christmas, the players are going to have to cave, and I'm sure they will soon. They're losing to much money. frack Bettman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not necessarily true. Consider Dallas just signed Jagr to 4.5m for one year, and they haven't signed Benn yet. They are a financially struggling team that should be aiming for the cap floor. Why would they spend this money? They could trade him and keep the cap hit and that would be worth something to a team like NYR. I don't actually think that is the case with Jagr, but it is strange how they spent when they can't afford to. Not saying it will happen or was planned, but it could definitely be used as a loophole by a team like NYI. Imagine how much Weber would be worth if Nashville kept the cap hit. Can you say bigger than Lindros trade! It will never happen, but I have to admit, that trade set up Colorado to be a perennial contender for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 yeah lets cancel an entire season for a fight over 182million dollars! makes sense from the crazyboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Not necessarily true. Consider Dallas just signed Jagr to 4.5m for one year, and they haven't signed Benn yet. They are a financially struggling team that should be aiming for the cap floor. Why would they spend this money? They could trade him and keep the cap hit and that would be worth something to a team like NYR. I don't actually think that is the case with Jagr, but it is strange how they spent when they can't afford to. Not saying it will happen or was planned, but it could definitely be used as a loophole by a team like NYI. Imagine how much Weber would be worth if Nashville kept the cap hit. Can you say bigger than Lindros trade! It will never happen, but I have to admit, that trade set up Colorado to be a perennial contender for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancanfan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://espn.go.com/b...ost/_/id/20343? ESPN.com's Pierre LeBrun has learned from a source what the NHL has offered to do on matters of player contracts. Unedited, from source: On main areas: NHL's offer on player contracting (1) offered to give back the year in ELS (NHL has moved from 2+3 to 2 and now back to 3). (2) dropped/withdrew request for mutuality of Salary Arb rights but maintained request for extra year to Salary Arb, also offered to synchronize timing of Club-elected Salary Arbs as per NHLPA request. (3) suggested willingness to be flexible of 5% contract variability proposal but maintained request for 5 year term limits on contracts. (4) maintained request for extra year to free agency, but gave on UFA interview period and pointed out that 3 year EL deal plus 5 year max contract puts Player right into UFA for their third contract (5) embraced Union's request to allow retained salary in trades subject to upwardly revised parameters (6) embraced Union's request for Payroll Range determined as a percentage of Midpoint as opposed to flat $16 million (7) embraced Union's Cap Advantage Recapture concept subject to several minor modifications and application to existing long-term contracts (8) agreed to eliminate Re-Entry Waivers (9) Performance Bonus Cushion in every year of new agreement (10) extension of No Move/No Trade clauses to last year of "extended" SPC other "system-related things" league has agreed to: (1) no Union guarantee of Escrow shortfall and more discretion to Union in setting Escrow rate (2) increase in Playoff Pool (3) mechanism to allow for Cap exception for recalled players for roster emergencies (4) changes to waiver rules for Emergency recalls and mid-season European signings (5) agreement to continue increasing Minimum Salaries over life of new CBA (6) Lower Limit to be satisfied without regard to performance bonuses (7) agreed to limitations on "second/salary arb" buyout provisions (8) agreed to re-work Critical Date Calendar (9) $60 million Cap in Year 1 (with transition rules allowing Clubs to go to $70.2 million for full year) and guaranteed cap of $60 million in Year 2 even though HRR formula would have provided for lower Cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 http://espn.go.com/b...ost/_/id/20343? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The way I read that the framework is actually in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeak Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The way I read that the framework is actually in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Didn't he players already lose out 20 percent on wages lost this season already plus 100 percent of wage for the year? That makes no sense either Bettman is "mystified" that the players didn't accept their last offer? What the hell? He's mystified that the players didn't accept a deal that took away 20% of their salaries, and restricted their contracting rights more than any other professional sports league in the world? I guess the real problem here is that Bettman is just out of touch with reality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 BUT BETTMAN TOLD ME THEY ARE FAR APART! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The NHLPA has now been ordered by Bettman to put together a deal. See how much power Fehr has? When faced with this reality, he NOW claims they are putting together a 'new' proposal ? The owners have now completely painted Fehr into a corner where they HAVE to cave in completely. The players must be SO PLEASED that they hired this guy. He is utterly useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 (6) embraced Union's request for Payroll Range determined as a percentage of Midpoint as opposed to flat $16 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman says both sides are "still far apart": NEW YORK, N.Y. - The NHL and NHL Players' Association finally seem to be speaking the same language, but they still have a gap to bridge in negotiations on a collective bargaining agreement. The union tabled a comprehensive proposal Wednesday that generated a tepid response from the league. However, commissioner Gary Bettman acknowledged the six-page offer was a step in the right direction and the document appeared to offer a path forward in talks, with the sides now envisioning the same type of economic system. "There was some movement in our direction and it was appreciated," said Bettman. "We're still far apart. But hopefully there's some momentum so we can bring this to a conclusion." The union proposed a 50-50 split of revenues during the five-year deal along with $393 million in deferred make whole payments throughout the agreement. Two weeks ago, the league offered $211 million and a 50-50 split. NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr acknowledged that his constituents are anxious to end the lockout and indicated that the new offer is "about as good" as the players are willing to make. "(The players) are suffering right along with the fans," said Fehr. "We made an enormous move in the owners direction to try and end it — at least as of today that hasn't been successful." Until now, the union had been pushing for a system that would see players paid a fixed amount of ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I don't think the players yet understand how much of a win this one point could be. If this goes down, I expect this one point to be reason for "the next lockout". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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