Speculation about what gets people into "heaven" or keeps them out

[Super19]

Science is not required to disprove a negative. Prove god exists, or shut up.

[Wetcoaster]

I will check that out...thanks.

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

I haven't met a religious person who claims they have proof of god and can show it.

Instead, I have met religious people who preach what they know of God from what their religion has taught them.

Basically, nobody can prove god to you, they can attempt to articulate their beliefs to you, but ultimately you decide what to make of it.

[Super19]

LOL. So you've met religious people who've been brainwashed themselves who preach and attempt to brainwash others...that's pretty much what you're telling me. Sorry...without a shred of physical evidence these "beliefs" are nothing more than fables. So if someone babbles their delusions to me and I ultimately decide what to make of it...then that's what it is...mindless yammering and delusional nonsense.

[Drouin]

I think intentions

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

You really don't think highly of those that are religious.

[logic]

I'm fine with religion, I just hate when people preach there beliefs with you, or when just because of their faith that things should be their way.

[Kryten]

I haven't met a religious person who claims they have proof of god and can show it.

Instead, I have met religious people who preach what they know of God from what their religion has taught them.

Basically, nobody can prove god to you, they can attempt to articulate their beliefs to you, but ultimately you decide what to make of it.

[Super19]

What was your first clue?

[Wetcoaster]

You are right, a religious person can't produce proof of a god existing just as an atheist can't provide proof a god(s) don't exist. That makes the agnostics of the world safe. The devout religious however aren't only trying to prove a god exists, they are trying to grow (sometimes forcefully) their religion and respective doctrines. Islam is particularly suspect when it comes to such expansions. When it comes to religion, the fight shouldn't be whether or not god(s) exist, it is why should any person take what is written in an old book (bible, quran, tipitaka, whatever) and use it to influence people's lives. If someone reads these books and finds the poetry and stories moving and inspirational, great. That is what all good books should do. However, noone should ever be made to live in a certain way or manner based on someone else's interpretation of those books. Especially children, who can't read the books for themselves.

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

You were already well known with your dislike of religious people and religion, but I thought you adopted a more "live and let live" ideology recently. and in lieu of that, in your last post you took as many shots as you could.

[Kryten]

Proving something exists is basic to proof therorems.

Proving a negative... not so much.

[GLASSJAW]

[Scott Hartnell's Mane]

[Wetcoaster]

I don't appreciate anything being shoved down people's throats. I will live and let live, sure...but I expect the same courtesy in return.

[GLASSJAW]

And here you go trolling me again after telling me earlier you don't do that.

[Wetcoaster]

True, but I was going for a diplomatic way of furthering the discussion.

[Kryten]

Sometimes the direct route is much simpler and more effective so that there is no doubt left as to the position for which one advocates.

[logic]

And then theirs dumb lawyers like you and normal people like us.

[Wetcoaster]

Yes but you are a lawyer and going to Hell anyways, why drag me with you?