Canuck Surfer Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Mike Milbury got a bad rep; but everybody still wanted to deal with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpuncher Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Mike Milbury got a bad rep; but everybody still wanted to deal with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Uh - the NHL is sooooo an old boys club! (Ownership) And - so are their appointed underlings within the NHLOA. This group can markedly decide or influence the outcomes of NHL games & play-off series. Nothin' will change about that - until the good ol' boys...retire-out....or until the more progressive owners get bigger balls & amass a healthier voting-block of their own. Then they can out-vote the fossils....and replace their minions in the NHLOA Executive ranks....with persons of integrity. Hey...it could happen. The alternative..."if ya can't beat 'em join 'em"...ain't an option for Van City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Wow, paranoia much? lol The sky hasn't fallen yet, honest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luongo_01 Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Chiarelli actually visited my law school for a talk about sports law this past year, and I asked him this exact question (curiosity with all the media hooplah of GMMG being a former player agent). The answer is no. Contrary to popular CDC belief, GMs actually respect each other - it's a business and they have to obviously do the best job for their team. But doing the best job doesn't mean respect is a trade-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 And - I forgot the part about ousting Bettman. Where`s the progressives alternative to that guy...already. Yup - my faith in the integrity of the good old NHL is at an all time low. I didn`t think that was possible after the 2011 Cup Final....but there we are. Yah - sports is also business...& not far afield from the WWE in some markets. But - I just want to see the players protected, the speed & skill of the game more valued & the officiating elevated....from the gutter. I now believe the IIHF has better officiating...than in the NHL. I`ve watched teams play in IIHF tournaments & there`s were no ridiculous controversies. The calls rang true. Not because of any improved training methods - but because they made clear efforts to...eliminate bias or a conflict of interest from the officiating. We know this ain`t so in the NHL`s Campbell-gate era - tho`. The NHL managed to trot out O`Halloran for ever CHI vs VAN game religiously...coast to coast...because either he or someone else demanded it...& it wasn`t anyone from Van City. Sutherland hauntings...same mysterious deal. Stricter guidelines on fighting & head-shots in other leagues...also make IIHF games more manageable too. No bonehead over-reactions or under-reactions...everyone gets the same treatment on the ice. In the NHL....the allowable decretionary game-management excuse is an evil....if officials with clear bias or axes to grind - are permitted to work certain games. There are over 45 referees to choose from over here....come onnnnn! This is what torpedoes our faith in the league`s officials. You have to ask...if it`s clearly broke...and we saw that it was last season...where`s the real effort to fix it. Mr. Bettman & Mr. Daly...we`re hoping that Stephen Walcom has some better solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The proof that this IS an old boys` club....is that Bettman (Jacobs lead Board) keeps welcoming in so many absentee & fiancially-shakey but pliable owners..... to be their yes-men. They effectively shun or spurn all of the creatively intelligent big-pocket investors...who have ideas of moving a team or getting a new franchise into a place like Quebec City or Hamilton...where they can actually thrive. Who are they saving those plums for anyway - I wonder? The league is a frustrating joke to watch from the outside. I can imagine all of the power-mongering that must be going on inside...when we see all of the shocking glimpses from what leak-outs out. The NHL is all about big business, power & control. The biggest fish don`t want to relinquish much..& when they do offer-up something with one hand ...they`re as likely to take it all back with the other. GMs are the de facto generals for their owners. If an owner has an allegiance to an all boys club....so do their GMs. NHL politics may not be what you care about...but the `Nucks need to navigate league politics if they ever hope to score the elusive Stanley Cup. If 1994 & 2011...taught èm anything....it should be that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 The proof that this IS an old boys` club....is that Bettman (Jacobs lead Board) keep welcoming in so many absentee & fiancially shakey but more pliable owners..... to be their yes-men. They effectively spurn all of the big-pocket investors...with ideas of moving a team or getting a new franchise in places like Quebec City or Hamilton...places that will thrive. Who are they saving those plums for anyway... I wonder. The league is a frustrating joke to watch from the outside. I can imagine all of the power-mongering that must go on inside...that only leaks out now & then. It`s NHL is about big business, power & control. The biggest fish don`t relinquish much of anything...& if they do offer ya anything with one hand ...they likely take it back with another. GMs are foot-soldiers for their owners. If the owners have an all boys club....so do their GMs. NHL politics may not be what you care about...but the `Nucks have to navigate league politics - if they ever hope to score that elusive Stanley Cup. If 1994 & 2011...taught èm anything....it better be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangoes Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 No he doesn't have a bad reputation what kind of a question is this? He made good deals when he needed to make one in fact he should have good reputation and I think has earned respect around the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Anaheim Ducks Henry Samueli Anaheim Ducks Hockey Club LLC 2005 Boston Bruins Jeremy Jacobs Boston Professional Hockey Association, Inc 1975 Buffalo Sabres Terrence Pegula Hockey Western New York, LLC 2011 Calgary Flames N. Murray Edwards Calgary Flames LP 1980 Carolina Hurricanes Peter Karmanos, Jr. Gale Force Sports And Ent 1994 Chicago Blackhawks Wirtz Corporation Chicago Blackhawk Hockey Team, Inc. 1954 Colorado Avalanche Stan Kroenke Kroenke Sports Enterprises, Colorado Avalanche, LLC 2000 Columbus Blue Jackets John P. McConnell Colhoc Limited Partnership, 2000 Dallas Stars Tom Gaglardi Dallas Stars LP 2011 Detroit Red Wings Mike Ilitch Ilitch Holdings Inc., Detroit Red Wings, Inc. 1982 Edmonton Oilers Daryl Katz Rexall Sports Corporation 2008 Florida Panthers Cliff Viner Sunrise Sports and Entertainment, 2009 Los Angeles Kings Philip Anschutz and Edward P. Rosk Anschutz Entertainment Group, 1995 Minnesota Wild Craig Leipold Minnesota Sports and Entertainment, 2008 Montreal Canadiens Molson Family Club de hockey Canadien, Inc. 2009 Nashville Predators Thomas Cigarran Predators Holdings LLC 2007 New Jersey Devils Jeffrey Vanderbeek New Jersey Devils LLC 2004 New York Islanders Charles Wang New York Islanders Hockey Club, LP 2000 New York Rangers James L. Dolan The Madison Square Garden Company, 1926 Ottawa Senators Eugene MelnykCapital Sports Properties, Partnership 2003 Philadelphia Flyers Ed Snider Comcast Spectacor, Philadelphia Flyers, LP 1967 Phoenix Coyotes George Gosbee IceArizona Acquisition Co., LLC 2013 Pittsburgh Penguins Ronald Burkle and Mario Lemieux Lemieux Group LP 1999 San Jose Sharks Sharks Sports and Entertainment San Jose Sharks, LLC 2002 St. Louis Blues Tom StillmanSLB Acquisition Holdings LLC, 2012 Tampa Bay LightningJeffrey Vinik Lightning Hockey LP 2010 Toronto Maple LeafsMaple Leaf Sports & Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, Ltd. 1931 Vancouver Canucks Francesco Aquilini Canucks Sports & Entertainment 2004 Washington Capitals Ted Leonsis Mounumental Sports and Entertainment 1999 Winnipeg JetsMark Chipman True North Sports & Entertainment, Ltd. 2011 Look at the original 6 and the other teams with longstanding ownership groups. These are the teams which are the string pullers. Bettman is there puppet. Textbook Old Boys' Club. Read the book "Net Worth" if you ever get a chance. It goes into great and interesting detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 I'm not going to try and convince you that you're wrong. You're too far in your opinion for that to happen, but I'm going to stand by what I've said and I hope you can respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Stammer- Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 no, but theres a lot of better GM's out there, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 So basically because we don't have teams in Quebec City and Hamilton this is an old boys club? To be honest, you simply sound more bitter towards things not going the way you personally would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Well let me ask you this: Why is it that when an American team gets into financial trouble, they are bailed out by the NHL? When a Canadian team gets into $$ problems, their only option is to move to an American city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Fair point but what if Gillis is approaching another GM for a trade? Does the other team ask for nothing but vast over payments or do they try and make a fair trade with him? He hasn't won a lot of deals he's had here except for the Booth one with Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Well let me ask you this: Why is it that when an American team gets into financial trouble, they are bailed out by the NHL? When a Canadian team gets into $$ problems, their only option is to move to an American city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viking mama Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Seriously, I think it's all paranoia. It's easy to come up with conspiracies when you don't know exactly what happens behind closed doors. I can understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 Either way, the NHL is way overdue for an audit of its business practices Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 All the GMs are probably pricks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 12, 2013 Share Posted August 12, 2013 You make my point for me...that this league is very afraid of transparency.....especially in regards to how it assigns officials & holds them to account...& the voting or operating patterns of the Board of Governors. The Dept. of Player safety videos...were mere baby steps compared to the offerings of others leagues. Letting officials publicly explain themselves after controversial calls...would be another. Avoidance....is one of the 1st tactics employed by the gulty. Let's see what Stephan Walkom does differently....or what the league will LET him do. The Balsillie-affair, Auger-gate & Campbell-gate...were revelations that demonstrated how very quickly, aggressively & vindictively the NHL acts to defend the secrecy & power-structure within its' own house of cards. We know who the King-pins are....and they have dealt ruthlessly with outsiders & insiders who threaten the aims of their circle. Doubt me if you want. With 21st century technology everywhere...it's only a matter of time before a new whistle-blower leaks another scandal with the evidence to back it up. Light shone into dark places reveals the filth...that needs to be cleaned-OUT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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