clynch Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Schroeder needs to make the move to the wing IMO. There's no denying the kid has skill and speed, but he laks the size to be able to handle the 3rd man low in the defensive zone. If he could translate his playmaking to the wing both he and the team would benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Schroeder needs to make the move to the wing IMO. There's no denying the kid has skill and speed, but he laks the size to be able to handle the 3rd man low in the defensive zone. If he could translate his playmaking to the wing both he and the team would benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 It isn't an insult to the other good small forwards, but as a center it makes it so much harder to be effective. He would be facing off against a lot of top tier centers within the conference (Couture, Richards, Berglund... just to name a few). He would undoubtedly need to be sheltered by having more Ozone starts, which takes away from the Sedins starting there, or by having a faceoff specialist take his draws. He would have to have a pretty amazing year to make up for those short comings to make it the correct choice to have him as our second line center. It is not just his size, it's the fact that he hasn't been a big producer, which very well may change, but the most that could be expected is that he would become a decent 3rd line center, not a 2nd. To be honest, I thing Horvat or Gaunce have a better chance at being decent 2nd line centers, but that is still super unlikely at this point. It takes a damn special player to step in for the first time to an NHL lineup, and be good enough to play 2nd line center on a competitive team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 17, 2013 Share Posted August 17, 2013 Schroeder needs to make the move to the wing IMO. There's no denying the kid has skill and speed, but he laks the size to be able to handle the 3rd man low in the defensive zone. If he could translate his playmaking to the wing both he and the team would benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I love Kes but the chances of Kes regaining his 41 goal season is over. 15 of those 41 goals that he scored in the 2010-2011 season were on the powerplay and since the NHL is becoming more stingier on penalties chances are he won`t score that many. Not to mention all of his injuries came after that year, It`s true this is his first healthy offseason since then but the guy is so injury prone. He CAN`T avoid injuries because of the way he plays, he is a heart and soul kinda player and will go balls out every night. Also his role on the team is HUGE, he`s on the PK, PP, and plays against the opponents best players on a shut down line, not to mention he plays an Avg. 23 mins each game. By sheer math its crazy to believe the guy has the energy to play night after night. At this point I would rather have Kes be on the third line this year and have a more relaxed role this year just so the canucks can keep him fresh throughout the season and to keep him fresh in general because in 2 -4 years Kes is going to be playing on the top line. Let Gaunce and/or Schroeder get those top 6 ice times NOW and get them used to playing a bigger role on this team because in a few years they WILL be playing on that second line (assuming that we don't make a trade to get a second line center after Hank retires). Case and point: I LOVE the idea of Kesler being on the third line, it'll give our younger guys a chance to step up, prove their worth, and give them a taste of top 6 ice times, while also regulating Kesler's ice time without the risk of him getting injured from playing those extra minutes night in and night out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafayette off the post Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I do not trust a word Gillman or gillis says. the two of them entered Harper territory trust level last year. Keler is our best all around player by a long shot. 2010 was all about kelser. The last two seasons are what this team is with out a healthy kesler .not very good. having him play less minutes makes zero sense if the canucks are to make the playoffs. torts will play kesler every chance he can. coaches like winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Sedin Sedin Burrows Booth Schroeder Kassian Higgins Kesler Hansen I like this lineup in the sense that the second line with Schroeder and Kassian - who have played well together in Chicago - and Booth and Kassian who played well together last year before Booth's injury - would get an opportunity to play a significant role but not be looked upon to play the harder minutes - while Higgins, Kesler and Hansen are the actual second line in terms of workload but face the more difficult (stereotypical 'third line' shutdown) matchups and nevertheless would undoubtedly produce quite nicely... It would take pressure off Kesler to produce 40 goals, and it would take pressure off the defensive side of Schroeder's game, who would also have some solid physical support playing with a pair of power forwards who can skate and play responsible hockey... I also like the idea of a fourth line centered by Richardson, but with the wings open to competition, and the possibility of skilled youth taking those roles - Gaunce Richardson Jensen - or more of a checking/shutdown line depending upon the opponent. I'd love to see those extra minutes be split up to a certain extent to give rookies more of a taste, and with guys like Santorelli, Ferriero, Weise, Sestito competing for a platoon role. I also wouldn't mind a guy like Steckel being added to the mix - so that a pair of centers on the fourth line is an option - ie. Richardson, Steckel, Weise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I'm not saying we shouldn't take time to develop players, I guess my point was some people think the purpose of the season is to make one young guy a star at the expense of the team's success. They need a chance but as Torts said in his interview, he'll work with youth "as long as its not going to hurt their development, and they will send them down if they need to get more minutes." It's a team sport and players need to earn their ice time. It's just a pet peeve of mine when fans howl about our rookies getting more time when, quite frankly, they don't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Even the twins themselves said they didn't deserve all the ice-time they got initially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Developing kids into early stars while on cheap contracts is indeed a road to success in the cap era. Also there is having a player earn and wasting him. If we are just going to waste a player then trade him for a vet that has earned his time in the coach's eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 That cheap elc doesn't kick in until they actually play that 10th game in the NHL. So it doesn't hurt anything to let an 18 or 19 year old develop further in junior prior to making that step to pro. Better to wait and know they're ready to actually help than rush them in to struggle and fail. In addition, waiting until they're 20 they're more physically mature and have to freedom to go to the farm team if they struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander.Edler Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 When was Schroeder a point producing center LAST? In 2011 he tipped the scale at just over a .50 point per game player in the AHL and now you want him to be a 2C on team that is 'stacked' ahead of him? Sorry, I believe Gaunce and Horvat make this team before Schroeder does. 3c and 4c that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Kesler is a great player, and needs wingers who compliment him... Gritty power forwards compliment his game - get garbage goals in close. Guess what? We don't have any.... Maybe one of the rookies, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 In the modern NHL you need 4 lines that can play, especially in the playoffs. Not a third line that is full of checkers who can't chip in offence and a 4th line of bangers and crashers who run around and can't handle the puck and make plays with it. Chicago used the most untraditional 4th line by using Frolik and Kruger on it who were critical pk's and chipped in important goals. It is best to spread out your talent so you can roll as many lines as you can and it will save the players energy for later on in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Kesler is a great player, and needs wingers who compliment him... Gritty power forwards compliment his game - get garbage goals in close. Guess what? We don't have any.... Maybe one of the rookies, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Kesler is a great player, and needs wingers who compliment him... Gritty power forwards compliment his game - get garbage goals in close. Guess what? We don't have any.... Maybe one of the rookies, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 You can count on Kesler for one offensive play....he shoots rather than passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck_trevor16 Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 Kesler is a great player, and needs wingers who compliment him... Gritty power forwards compliment his game - get garbage goals in close. Guess what? We don't have any.... Maybe one of the rookies, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted August 18, 2013 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I think Kes Can play with Booth and Hansen on a ferocious third line that would be as good or better than any in the NHL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Kesler is a great player, and needs wingers who compliment him... Gritty power forwards compliment his game - get garbage goals in close. Guess what? We don't have any.... Maybe one of the rookies, but doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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