CatsPajamas Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Nope. Meh, justify that he's a top 6 all you want. I have no problem with him on the team, I just don't like him on the 2nd line going into the playoffs. Only time will tell if he can carry over his regular season success... Who do you suggest the Canucks make a move for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Kane Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Who do you suggest the Canucks make a move for? There are some good players rumoured to be available, and Canucks have assets (Corrado, Jensen, 1st). It's upto Gillis if he thinks adding that player will make this team a legit contender, or does he want to wait to have Shinkaruk + Horvat making an impact on their ELC's + the core intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 He's playing like it, and that's what counts. So as long as he plays like a top 6 forward, he's a top 6 forward IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Well if each team has 3 first liners, that would make the top 90 in scoring first liners. Looking at injuries etc, lets make the cut off 75 for first liners and 150 for second liners. I'll have to go back a couple years to get a full season: 2011-2012 75. Dustin Brown 82 games 54 points (Kris Versteeg, Ryan Callahan, David Backes) 150. Dave Bolland 76 games 37 points (David Jones, Todd Bertuzzi) Hansen was ranked 141, Higgins 129 So Hansen and Higgins would be considered low end second line players. 40-55 points over a full healthy season seems to be the number. The problem with this ranking is that Higgins and Hansen were the 3rd line wingers in 2011/12, centered by Hodgson and Pahlsson. The second line was Kesler, Booth/Samuelsson and Raymond. Higgins and Hansen produced 43 and 39 points and were 129th and 141st as you mentioned, but they did that as third liners, with third line minutes (and 40/46% offensive zone starts), so if you take that into consideration and play them with a legitimate second line center (not a sheltered rookie who couldn't handle hard 3rd line minutes) and their production isn't really "low end second line" - it's better. Also, here's a breakdown over three years of the median production of all lines: http://www.pensionpl...t-forward-score 42 points for a second line winger was in the "good" range - as in 5th or 6th at that position.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Higgins 21 points would have him be: 4th in scoring on LA 5th in scoring on Pittsburgh 9th in scoring on Chicago 4th in scoring on Boston 6th in scoring on San Jose 8th in scoring on St. Louis He is putting up 2nd line stats on a lot of good teams right now. Especially when you consider in the 2 cases where he isn't in the top 6 for scoring, those teams have 2 D-men each, in their top 6. Edit: He would be leading the Florida Panthers. This is a great post, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsPajamas Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 There are some good players rumoured to be available, and Canucks have assets (Corrado, Jensen, 1st). It's upto Gillis if he thinks adding that player will make this team a legit contender, or does he want to wait to have Shinkaruk + Horvat making an impact on their ELC's + the core intact. Well Corrado, Jensen, and 1st isn't going to land us Pacioretty, or Kane. Who does that leave us with, Erat or Ruutu, neither of which are guaranteed to put up the numbers that you're looking for, especially not Ruutu. So it's Erat or wait. How much of an upgrade is Erat either really? Even if he out scored Higgins by 0.10ppg or so he is going to be knocking Kassian into a fourth line role which will hinder his development and any scoring that he is currently providing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheeler64 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 stupidest question posted here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 He's playing like it, and that's what counts. So as long as he plays like a top 6 forward, he's a top 6 forward IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejejester Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 I think he's just with the right fit of players but he is a 7th forward. With how kesler and Santorelli have been playing he seems to be the right piece to fit in with that line. He's good a long the boards and can get pucks out from the corner into the slot. I would not say that he is a true bona-fide on any team top 6 winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 When HIggin's is on our 3rd line and Hansen is on our 4th, THEN we will be solid up front .. he is playing well with a healthy, motivated Kesler and a 'born-again' Santo .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 stupidest question posted here How is it stupid? are u trolling people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 When he plays in the top 6 he is! the rest of the time no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cucumber Posted December 19, 2013 Author Share Posted December 19, 2013 When he plays in the top 6 he is! the rest of the time no. Lol I like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 19, 2013 Share Posted December 19, 2013 Ok at the beginning of the season I was thinking that higgins is just a fringe top6 forward. Although this is a popular belief his numbers just don't lie. currently he is on pace for 23 goals tieing his 2nd best of his career 49points which would be his 2nd best of his career usanlly a top 6player is expected to get a 50-60 points season minimum. Higgins is one point behind the 50 point margin. so at the moment i would say yes he is one. Under Tortorella, Higgins is indeed a T6F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konman Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 Chris Higgins is a very versatile player. He will do a good job on any line. However, if everyone was healthy and Zack Kassian was put on the 1st line, Higgins, in my books, would be on the 3rd line. Not because he isn't good enough on the 2nd line but because Alex Burrows would be back. Thank God for players like Chris that can fill in when needed. Zack Kassian should be on the 1st line. I mean, come on what has Hanson brought to the table that is so special. I like Hansen he is a good player but he does not complement the twins. Kassian would. He already had before being yanked last year. He is better now. Ready to learn from the twins. This is how I would have it in my perfect world.... Sedin-Sedin-Kassian Santorelli-Kesler-Burrows Higgins-Richardson-Booth Weise-Schroeder-Hansen In a good head space, with time to form chemistry, this line-up could pull it off.......all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 ^Looks nice, but Burrows & Santorelli switch wings. If Schroeder's pencilled in, should he & Richardson swap lines? JS would look speedy/slick with them two wingers.(actually, another AMEX line).. Also think Welsh plays decent 4th line C. Then there's Dac Zalpe... Who would be your two extras? (Welsh can go down, no waivers)..Sestito & Zalpe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 The only thing that matters is if he performs like a top 6 forward, which he is. Samuelsson wasn't a top 6 forward but he performed like one here. That's what we need from our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think he is a 3rd liner that can fill in if a top 6 is injured. He seems to miss too much opportunities, top 6 guys got to bury those chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think he is a 3rd liner that can fill in if a top 6 is injured. He seems to miss too much opportunities, top 6 guys got to bury those chances One less goal than Daniel Sedin tells me he's doing just fine in a top 6 role. Hansen and Burrows have missed a ton of glorious opportunities as well, so I don't think it's just Higgins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted December 22, 2013 Share Posted December 22, 2013 OP says a top 6 forward usually gets 50 to 60 points per year. That is just plan wrong. In 2011-12, the last full season, there is not one single team in the entire NHL that has 6 forwards with 50+ points. Most teams have 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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