davinci Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Basically, the concern about Horvat is now eliminated, so now we have to be concerned about Virtanen. Personally, I see no cause for concern. Virtanen is going to be a special player. Concern about horvat? We were worried his 74 pts in 54gms would translate to above a 3rd liner. Now virtanen with 52 pts in 50 gms. The concern is not even comparable. Bo was a playoff stud and defensively responsible. If jake doesn't turn around in the whl next year with 1.5ppg then I can't see him as anything more than a 3rd liner like kreider. You need to put up more points in the whl to put up points in the nhl. Not stat watching... just basic math 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBackup Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Concern about horvat? We were worried his 74 pts in 54gms would translate to above a 3rd liner. Now virtanen with 52 pts in 50 gms. The concern is not even comparable. Bo was a playoff stud and defensively responsible. If jake doesn't turn around in the whl next year with 1.5ppg then I can't see him as anything more than a 3rd liner like kreider. You need to put up more points in the whl to put up points in the nhl. Not stat watching... just basic math If only hockey were as simple as basic math, we'd all be all stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinci Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 If only hockey were as simple as basic math, we'd all be all stars. Okay how about playing the odds. It is a HIGH percent chance that a ppg player in juniors won't be on the 1/2 lines in the nhl. Look at gaunce and jensen. Both players were ppg and didn't get any better from their draft years. Jensen looks like a bust and hopefully gaunce can be a great 4th liner with 3rd line spot duty with injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2SKATES1STICK Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Haha your a joke man. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilettante Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Okay how about playing the odds. It is a HIGH percent chance that a ppg player in juniors won't be on the 1/2 lines in the nhl. Look at gaunce and jensen. Both players were ppg and didn't get any better from their draft years. Jensen looks like a bust and hopefully gaunce can be a great 4th liner with 3rd line spot duty with injuries. Neither of them was the 6th overall pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinci Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Neither of them was the 6th overall pick. Which is more disheartening lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilettante Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Which is more disheartening lol Lol. I should have sensed the tone on you're previous post. My mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jermo09 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) If only hockey were as simple as basic math, we'd all be all stars.. +1 haha Edited April 16, 2015 by Jermo09 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Unfortunately that doesn't actually work. WHL plays 72 games per season for 22 teams. The OHL has 20 teams playing a 68 game schedule. For the WHL: 5246 goals is divided by 1584 games (72x22) giving a goals per game of: 3.31 For the OHL: 4766 goals is divided by 1360 (68x 20) giving a goals per game of: 3.50 The OHL plays 224 fewer games but puts up a higher avg of goals per game. Danke Ossi Also didn't touch on that Horvat had a better team either (or their different usage, TOI etc). In short, doing a direct stats only comparison is not going to give you anything resembling a clear picture. Virtanen's merely having a good, not great year. I see little cause for concern at this point. Wow a league that scores 0.19 goals more per team Amazing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Anyone can tell that the Q is the easiest CHL league to score in by far. Followed by the O. And then there's the W, which is more known for it's big, tough defensemen. Gawd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uselessstats Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Concern about horvat? We were worried his 74 pts in 54gms would translate to above a 3rd liner. Now virtanen with 52 pts in 50 gms. The concern is not even comparable. Bo was a playoff stud and defensively responsible. If jake doesn't turn around in the whl next year with 1.5ppg then I can't see him as anything more than a 3rd liner like kreider. You need to put up more points in the whl to put up points in the nhl. Not stat watching... just basic math Kris Kreider is a 3rd liner? Huh, no wonder you're disappointed in Jake, you clearly have inflated expectations for every single player in the NHL. What's a 1st liner? 130 points Selke winner? And no, junior PPG isn't a straightforward progression from junior to NHL. If it was then Derek Brassard would be an NHL superstar and Andrew Ladd would be a 4th liner. Players grow and change their games from junior to pro. You have no idea how Jake's game will translate once he makes that jump though you clearly believe you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Premature how? It's not like I'm not calling him a bust He has all the ingredients but hasn't shown it in his draft+1 year. Can he bounce back? Yes, he's still only 18. Has this season been a disappointment? Yes, and that is what my concern is based upon Just calling it like it iscan't have it that way on cdc. Its 100% positive or 100% negative. I've been fighting that battle all year in this thread. Edited April 16, 2015 by Gooseberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 whats the series at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Kris Kreider is a 3rd liner? Huh, no wonder you're disappointed in Jake, you clearly have inflated expectations for every single player in the NHL. What's a 1st liner? 130 points Selke winner? And no, junior PPG isn't a straightforward progression from junior to NHL. If it was then Derek Brassard would be an NHL superstar and Andrew Ladd would be a 4th liner. Players grow and change their games from junior to pro. You have no idea how Jake's game will translate once he makes that jump though you clearly believe you do. Getzlaf... J. Staal... Never mind all the countless over ppg junior players who bust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Cousteau Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Everyone seems to forget that Virtanen had shoulder surgery and has bounced back pretty well considering... Next year he will have a summer to train. Edited April 16, 2015 by Jock Cousteau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition Dangler Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Should've taken Ehlers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Should've taken Ehlers The more I watch the playoffs, the more it makes sense that we didn't. He would be dead by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davinci Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 So much blind bias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 So much blind bias I suggest you watch games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 VIRTANEN SCORES! BUST TREND OVER! lul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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