Guest Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: And just like Joseph... no major awards to his credit. Olympic gold though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, Captain Azzy said: Olympic gold though. And an awesome twitter account! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 That's an impressive top 4 to be mentioned in, wow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post falcon45ca Posted November 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 16, 2016 2 hours ago, Captain Azzy said: Olympic gold though. He's also got a couple gold at the World Championships & a gold at the World Cup championship to go with his 2 Olympic Gold medals. Also a couple President's Cups. He's literally only missing a Stanley Cup & he's in the Triple Gold Club, which I think has less than 30 players. The whole notion that he has no major awards to his name is total garbage. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, falcon45ca said: He's also got a couple gold at the World Championships & a gold at the World Cup championship to go with his 2 Olympic Gold medals. Also a couple President's Cups. He's literally only missing a Stanley Cup & he's in the Triple Gold Club, which I think has less than 30 players. The whole notion that he has no major awards to his name is total garbage. Not when you are talking about the HOF.... without a cup or multiple vezina trophies, no goalie has been inducted in a long time. I don't know why they hold the goalies to such excellence but they do. The bar is not nearly so high when they elect forwards or defensemen to the hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Not when you are talking about the HOF.... without a cup or multiple vezina trophies, no goalie has been inducted in a long time. I don't know why they hold the goalies to such excellence but they do. The bar is not nearly so high when they elect forwards or defensemen to the hall. Well there are numerous goalies who have Vezina's & Stanley's who aren't in the HHOF. Just because a player doesn't get into the HHOF does not mean that player has no major awards on his resume. Luongo has a very impressive resume & has been a champion on many different levels. The idea he hasn't is pure nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Just now, falcon45ca said: Well there are numerous goalies who have Vezina's & Stanley's who aren't in the HHOF. Just because a player doesn't get into the HHOF does not mean that player has no major awards on his resume. Luongo has a very impressive resume & has been a champion on many different levels. The idea he hasn't is pure nonsense. Ok so you agree he is not going to get elected to HOF? Great goalie otherwise... just not one of the all time greats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo2337 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 I've edited the original post with how the picture sits today. It's looking like he will hit top 4 this year barring injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Ok so you agree he is not going to get elected to HOF? Great goalie otherwise... just not one of the all time greats. He will absolutely be going to the HOF. No doubt. He will be at least top 4 in wins in the NHL. 2 Olympic golds. 3 international golds. Presidents trophy. He is easily going in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 46 minutes ago, drummerboy said: He will absolutely be going to the HOF. No doubt. He will be at least top 4 in wins in the NHL. 2 Olympic golds. 3 international golds. Presidents trophy. He is easily going in. Here's the catch... Olympics, he only played in one, the other he was a backup. The one he played in (2010) he was not even best goalie of the tournament, that went to Ryan Miller who also was MVP of the whole tournament. So if it comes time to vote are they really going to take the olympics seriously for Lui? I somehow doubt it. Curtis Joseph is in the same boat with nothing notable in NHL awards and a better career percentage than Lui. There has barely been mention of him to the hall, not sure if they elect Lui on his twitter account personality maybe. Not once did Lui or Joseph receive a first team all star selection at year end, Lui did get second team three times. Now that's the media voting but a bunch of them also vote hall of fame. Not once was he or Joseph the best goalie in any one season. Goalies in the last 30 or 40 years elected all have multiple first team all star selections to their name. I don't see how he is going to get in unless things change drastically and a bunch of other goalies get in too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 44 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Here's the catch... Olympics, he only played in one, the other he was a backup. The one he played in (2010) he was not even best goalie of the tournament, that went to Ryan Miller who also was MVP of the whole tournament. So if it comes time to vote are they really going to take the olympics seriously for Lui? I somehow doubt it. Curtis Joseph is in the same boat with nothing notable in NHL awards and a better career percentage than Lui. There has barely been mention of him to the hall, not sure if they elect Lui on his twitter account personality maybe. Not once did Lui or Joseph receive a first team all star selection at year end, Lui did get second team three times. Now that's the media voting but a bunch of them also vote hall of fame. Not once was he or Joseph the best goalie in any one season. Goalies in the last 30 or 40 years elected all have multiple first team all star selections to their name. I don't see how he is going to get in unless things change drastically and a bunch of other goalies get in too. lol i don't even think cujo can compare to Lui.. if Lui didn't start his career in NYI and Florida.. we are probably talking about making a run for top 2 in wins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: lol i don't even think cujo can compare to Lui.. if Lui didn't start his career in NYI and Florida.. we are probably talking about making a run for top 2 in wins Likewise if Joseph was on a time that were back to back president trophy winners or had been on a good team instead of his Edmonton years, he is in the same boat. Didn't watch hockey then? He was also a 3 time Vezina nominee just like Lui is. Their careers are vey similar other than Joseph's playoff record is a lot better with lesser teams at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Westcoasting said: Likewise if Joseph was on a time that were back to back president trophy winners or had been on a good team instead of his Edmonton years, he is in the same boat. Didn't watch hockey then? He was also a 3 time Vezina nominee just like Lui is. Their careers are vey similar other than Joseph's playoff record is a lot better with lesser teams at the time. i dunno about u.. but he only played 2.5 years in Edmonton.. 1 was a shortened season.. his first 10 years in the league 7 of them have GAA over 3.. 7 of them are below .910 sv% with 4 of them before .900 his best statistical years were the couple years in toronto in the latter parts of his career.. in 20 years in the league he has 7 season over 0.910 sv% gave up almost 300 more goals (282) in fewer games.. i dunno in what way shape or form they are similar.. and in the playoff.. i dunno what lesser team you are referring to.. Detroit? with Yyzerman Shanahan Datsyuk Lidstrom Federov zetterberg Hull? or the Maple leafs in the late 90s with a relatively competitive team? realistically Vancouver had a decent team from 2009-2012.. but i take the detroit roster over vancouver any day.. and Luongo actually did better with lesser team.. his 1st year with the canucks and last year with the panthers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) Luongo's career SV% is .919. That alone should get him HHOF honours. Edited November 17, 2016 by HorvatToBaertschi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Comparing Joseph to Luongo, what's wrong with people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 8 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: i dunno about u.. but he only played 2.5 years in Edmonton.. 1 was a shortened season.. his first 10 years in the league 7 of them have GAA over 3.. 7 of them are below .910 sv% with 4 of them before .900 his best statistical years were the couple years in toronto in the latter parts of his career.. in 20 years in the league he has 7 season over 0.910 sv% gave up almost 300 more goals (282) in fewer games.. i dunno in what way shape or form they are similar.. and in the playoff.. i dunno what lesser team you are referring to.. Detroit? with Yyzerman Shanahan Datsyuk Lidstrom Federov zetterberg Hull? or the Maple leafs in the late 90s with a relatively competitive team? realistically Vancouver had a decent team from 2009-2012.. but i take the detroit roster over vancouver any day.. and Luongo actually did better with lesser team.. his 1st year with the canucks and last year with the panthers. And so with these facts he gets into the HOF? Here are the inductees from the last 30 years... Dominic Hasek 6 Vezinas, 2 Pearsons, 2 Harts, 3 Jennings, 6 first team all star selections and 2 Stanley cups Ed Belfour 1 Calder, 2 Vezinas, 4 Jennings, 2 first team all star selections and 1 Stanley cup Patrick Roy 3 Vezinas, 5 Jennings, 3 Conn Smythes, 4 first team all star selections and 4 Stanley Cups Grant Fuhr 1 Jennings, 1 Vezina, 1first team all star selection, and 5 Stanley Cups Billy Smith 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, 1 conn Smythe, 1 first team all star selection and 4 Stanley Cups Roberto Luongo 1 Jennings see the difference? So you really think someone will put him in this same class of goalies?? He is more like Joseph than any of these goalies! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOgRook Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 17 hours ago, falcon45ca said: Well there are numerous goalies who have Vezina's & Stanley's who aren't in the HHOF. Just because a player doesn't get into the HHOF does not mean that player has no major awards on his resume. Luongo has a very impressive resume & has been a champion on many different levels. The idea he hasn't is pure nonsense. Great points, and something for ppl to keep in mind... It's the HHOF not the NHLHOF. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Westcoasting said: And so with these facts he gets into the HOF? Here are the inductees from the last 30 years... Dominic Hasek 6 Vezinas, 2 Pearsons, 2 Harts, 3 Jennings, 6 first team all star selections and 2 Stanley cups Ed Belfour 1 Calder, 2 Vezinas, 4 Jennings, 2 first team all star selections and 1 Stanley cup Patrick Roy 3 Vezinas, 5 Jennings, 3 Conn Smythes, 4 first team all star selections and 4 Stanley Cups Grant Fuhr 1 Jennings, 1 Vezina, 1first team all star selection, and 5 Stanley Cups Billy Smith 1 Vezina, 1 Jennings, 1 conn Smythe, 1 first team all star selection and 4 Stanley Cups Roberto Luongo 1 Jennings see the difference? So you really think someone will put him in this same class of goalies?? He is more like Joseph than any of these goalies! It is the HOCKEY hall of fame. Not just the NHL hall of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 12 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: lol i don't even think cujo can compare to Lui.. if Lui didn't start his career in NYI and Florida.. we are probably talking about making a run for top 2 in wins We probably still are, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, drummerboy said: It is the HOCKEY hall of fame. Not just the NHL hall of fame. Ok so what goalies internationally should we compare him to? Tretiak? Better yet other than Tretiak name a HOF goalie that has been voted in on events not in NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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