Gaudette Celly Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I am actually really bullish on Benning's overall strategy and I can see how all of his moves - even the ones that maybe have not worked out as we hoped - are moving us toward a better future. The one negative last year and this year (admittedly so far only) is not realizing trade value on expiring contracts. I think unless you have a team built to make some noise in the playoffs - which this team has unfortunately clearly not shown a capability to do in its current form - you take advantage of more picks and prospects rather than losing UFA players for nothing. Benning is a good scout for talent at the draft. More kicks at that can could get the rebuild going even faster. So I am not negative about our direction, just asset management in that one area. Yet your acknowledgement of Benning's strengths, direction, and intentions not to mention general common sense regarding UFAs debunk your very feelings. Amazing how a few losses create such a negative atmosphere of hopelessness that rationality and perspective are lost as it's "all aboard the Titanic, nowhere to go but dowwwwwwn." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nd1989 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Good deal, jets had to pay a bit more to keep term at 5 years but pretty fair deal for both sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Big money for a big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: If the Rangers cannot re-sign him they may look to move him. I would expect they would've looking for a return that could at least partially replace what he brings though that is cheaper and/or has term left. Possible but not common for a playoff team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 This is a great deal for the Jets! Also works out nicely for the Canucks if they become sellers at the deadline. This just makes Hamhuis more valuable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Good value for a year or two, but I doubt Buff plays to that level for 5 years. That's the market price, but I don't think I would pay him that. Would rather the 1st and good prospect he could have fetched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 25 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I hope you are right. I just don't know if Benning or the Canucks behind the scenes want to admit that we aren't going to make the playoffs. I am not sure what our odds actually are at this point but unless we fall off a cliff and have basically no chance I would not be surprised to see us hang on to Hamhuis, Vrbat, etc. Again, I really hope I am wrong. We have to be out of it or I agree no one is getting traded if there is a decent shot at making the playoffs hamhuis will be a canuck and probably have his rights traded in the offseason for a 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Gstank29 said: So Hamhuis is now the number 1 pending UFA Defenceman on the market One guy on hf board said yandle or hamhuis. Still we should be able to catch a 2nd + decent prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 34 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said: I hope you are right. I just don't know if Benning or the Canucks behind the scenes want to admit that we aren't going to make the playoffs. I am not sure what our odds actually are at this point but unless we fall off a cliff and have basically no chance I would not be surprised to see us hang on to Hamhuis, Vrbat, etc. Again, I really hope I am wrong. No one can know what people are deciding 'behind the scenes.' That's why it's called that. I think that it can be reasonably measured that their biases are no more likely to stop them from seeing what we can see than ours is, including having information that we don't. It's logical to assume that they are able to make the tough choices when the time comes. All evidence points to this. The only reason that Hammer won't get dealt is that Edler is instead and he's re-signed, as HW points out, or the offers are so insultingly low that accepting one would hurt both our trade negotiating positions in the future and Hamhuis' FA value to our benefit. OTOH, I think that Hamhuis' trade value, with an extension and possible retention, will be so worthwhile that we will not be able to pass that up. We are going to push for the playoffs until we are mathematically eliminated but we won't cut our nose off to spite our face. I don't believe that. All signs point the other way for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 16 minutes ago, mpt said: Good, Hammer's value now went up. Looks like Ladd is Vancouver bound (hope he comes cheap; not a huge fan) I want a 3yearsx5M type of contract give or take a year and half a million for him if he is coming. Lucic if he comes does mean we have a legit top6 for the first time in a while. Sedins burrows Ladd Sutter Lucic Virtanen Horvat Baertschi Dorsett Vey Hansen Decent forward group but we still need to fix the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, milk and honey said: One guy on hf board said yandle or hamhuis. Still we should be able to catch a 2nd + decent prospect. Do you think Benning publicly stating he's not trading Hammer, is a plan to get other GMs to call and ask, thus increasing value? I really think Hammer, Vrbata, Hansen, and maybe even Tanev get traded. At least I'm hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Do you think Benning publicly stating he's not trading Hammer, is a plan to get other GMs to call and ask, thus increasing value? I really think Hammer, Vrbata, Hansen, and maybe even Tanev get traded. At least I'm hoping. No, he hasn't. Not once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, milk and honey said: I want a 3yearsx5M type of contract give or take a year and half a million for him if he is coming. Lucic if he comes does mean we have a legit top6 for the first time in a while. Sedins burrows Ladd Sutter Lucic Virtanen Horvat Baertschi Dorsett Vey Hansen Decent forward group but we still need to fix the defense. Definitely not both, god no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, theminister said: No, he hasn't. Not once. Didn't he say as much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Didn't he say as much? No. Not once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, theminister said: No. Not once. Do you remember last week's TV interview? I thought he said they were not looking at moving UFAs currently on their roster? He said they are still looking for a trade for Prust, but not the guys on the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 10 minutes ago, theminister said: The only reason that Hammer won't get dealt is that Edler is instead and he's re-signed, as HW points out, or the offers are so insultingly low that accepting one would hurt both our trade negotiating positions in the future and Hamhuis' FA value to our benefit. OTOH, I think that Hamhuis' trade value, with an extension and possible retention, will be so worthwhile that we will not be able to pass that up. We are going to push for the playoffs until we are mathematically eliminated but we won't cut our nose off to spite our face. I don't believe that. All signs point the other way for me. That's the other possibility, alright -- that offers for Hamhuis are less than he's worth to us. But considering how the market for top-4 rental D is drying up quickly, plus the fact that Hamhuis looked outstanding on Saturday (skated better than he has all year; maybe the time off healed up some other lingering injuries) means that we could see a VERY tidy return. As with Vrbata, an extension in place coupled with salary retention could be HUGE. And yes, Benning and company will of course say their aim is for the playoffs until mathematically eliminated, but they aren't dummies. If they're 10+ points back by the TDL (currently 6) they aren't going to be trading for a playoff push. I'd say that they are at least as realistic as we are, that they recognize the team albeit fully healthy does not appear to have what it takes to get the job done. Still three weeks to go, but it won't take even that long to decide, and they almost certainly already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Do you remember last week's TV interview? I thought he said they were not looking at moving UFAs currently on their roster? He said they are still looking for a trade for Prust, but not the guys on the Canucks. Quote and source. Back up that claim. All he said was, "he's a big part of our team" meaning they aren't giving him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: Do you think Benning publicly stating he's not trading Hammer, is a plan to get other GMs to call and ask, thus increasing value? I really think Hammer, Vrbata, Hansen, and maybe even Tanev get traded. At least I'm hoping. 12 minutes ago, theminister said: No, he hasn't. Not once. File this with his "Pedan's problem since his draft year has been his skating" trollbait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, theminister said: Quote and source. Back up that claim. All he said was, "he's a big part of our team" meaning they aren't giving him away. It's all inference. One person reads JB won't trade the UFAs, and another interprets he's open to trading them. I am of the former, and you are of the latter. Although with the Buff signing there has to be a BIG market for Hammer. If he's traded, what can we expect in return? Bowey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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