Pimp C Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I think Horvat should be on the team over Kassian tbh but that won't happen given the circumstances of the Kassian trade. But regardless I hope they find a way to keep him around and not just as a healthy scratch. He's the kind of player who will improve as he gets more games under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangelos Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Ok let's got through the list, Kassian may be better than Horvat offensively, but it's not like he's lighting it up with his mere 4 points in 13 games. Ppl like to point out his line mates when the reality is Richardson and Matthias have both been playing much better and with significantly more effort out there. Defensively, we all know Kassian is a black hole so let's just leave it at that. Kassian also takes a ridiculous amount of penalties which will cost us some games over the course of an 82 game season. He's already got 24 friggen penalty minutes. I mean that's just face palm worthy right there. Oh but hey he's a funny guy with a wacky personality so that makes him totally awesome right? Anyway back to Horvat. I think he can end the season with 20 points if he's given the ice time. That along with his stellar defensive play would be quite a successful first season Edited November 11, 2014 by Tangelos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Ok let's got through the list, Kassian may be better than Horvat offensively, but it's not like he's lighting it up with his mere 4 points in 13 games. Ppl like to point out his line mates when the reality is Richardson and Matthias have both been playing much better and with significantly more effort out there. Defensively, we all know Kassian is a black hole so let's just leave it at that. Kassian also takes a ridiculous amount of penalties which will cost us some games over the course of an 82 game season. He's already got 24 friggen penalty minutes. I mean that's just face palm worthy right there. Oh but hey he's a funny guy with a wacky personality so that makes him totally awesome right? Anyway back to Horvat. I think he can end the season with 20 points if he's given the ice time. That along with his stellar defensive play would be quite a successful first season it's the second part of that sentance that people think is crazy... you know... " but that won't happen given the circumstances of the Kassian trade"... that part. the current GM doesn't care about the circumstances of a trade that the previous gm made. he doesn't need to save face for the previous regime. Edited November 11, 2014 by avelanch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Ok let's got through the list, Kassian may be better than Horvat offensively, but it's not like he's lighting it up with his mere 4 points in 13 games. Ppl like to point out his line mates when the reality is Richardson and Matthias have both been playing much better and with significantly more effort out there. Defensively, we all know Kassian is a black hole so let's just leave it at that. Kassian also takes a ridiculous amount of penalties which will cost us some games over the course of an 82 game season. He's already got 24 friggen penalty minutes. I mean that's just face palm worthy right there. Oh but hey he's a funny guy with a wacky personality so that makes him totally awesome right? Anyway back to Horvat. I think he can end the season with 20 points if he's given the ice time. That along with his stellar defensive play would be quite a successful first season No need to make this into Horvat vs Kassian kind of thing here. They play different positions and they bring different things to the table. For example, Horvat brings as you said, defensive abilities and I do agree that he will get better as he gets some games under his belt. I've said it numerous times that by game 40, 50, I wouldn't be afraid to send him out on defensive assignments. On the other hand, Kassian brings something that Bo doesn't. For example, I thought if there was one game where he was needed, it was against LA. When Doughty goes after Daniel like that? Imagine if Kassian was on that line (although he isn't). I wouldn't have minded if Kassian went after Doughty and slashed his leg or gave him a good cross check, even if that meant he would get a penalty because we were losing big anyways. Having that "wacky" unpredictable guy makes other teams be fearful of what they do because that "wacky" guy might snap and do something crazy to you. If you said Horvat should make the team over, Vey, Richardson, or even Matthias, that would be a discussion point, but Kassian? Completely different players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snizzle_ Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 bo's probably not even going to hit the 6:00 minute mark tonight. More and more i think he's going back to junior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedman Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 So.. When will Willie give this guy a fair chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Wish they gave him some more chances Edited November 12, 2014 by desiboynux4lifee******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Question changed-answer withdrawn, lol. Edited November 12, 2014 by Salmonberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hey Bo might of played 6 minutes but damn that was a good 6 minutes. Hopefully WD can give the youngsters more time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) it's the second part of that sentance that people think is crazy... you know... " but that won't happen given the circumstances of the Kassian trade"... that part. the current GM doesn't care about the circumstances of a trade that the previous gm made. he doesn't need to save face for the previous regime. Also, what is it about the Hodgson/Kassian trade the would compel a new GM to play Kassian any more than the Schneider/Horvat trade would compel him to play Horvat, even if we accept that the 'circumstances' of a particular trade would have any bearing on ice time. What exactly are these unique circumstances anyway? Edited November 12, 2014 by Salmonberries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Hey Bo might of played 6 minutes but damn that was a good 6 minutes. Hopefully WD can give the youngsters more time. Willie has to try to win at the NHL level. It's a business, and the business isn't player development. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I thought Gary Valk brought up a good point during the 2nd intermission. He said something along the lines of if you are going to keep up a rookie in place of sending him back to junior he needs to be showing up on the score sheet. I would love to see Horvat up the whole year as much as the next 'nuck fan but I think Gary is right on the money in regards to Horvat. Send him back to Junior and the WJC to work on his offensive game. We can see he can play D, lets develope his offensive game. Furthermore, who are you going to ship out to get Horvat in? Mathias has picked up his game, Vrbata and Kassian are both out at the moment, I dont see room for Bo despite his decent play. 5 years from now we may very well be happy we sent him down. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Just 5:56 TOI and 25% (2/8) on the draws. Interestingly, he had 4 offensive zone faceoffs -- none of which he won, unfortunately. He was 50% in both the defensive zone (1/2) and neutral zone (1/2). It's not much of a sample size but, I mean, it's still 50% which is nice. NHL.com boxscore also credits him with 1 shot, 1 hit, and 1 blocked shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I thought Gary Valk brought up a good point during the 2nd intermission. He said something along the lines of if you are going to keep up a rookie in place of sending him back to junior he needs to be showing up on the score sheet. I would love to see Horvat up the whole year as much as the next 'nuck fan but I think Gary is right on the money in regards to Horvat. Send him back to Junior and the WJC to work on his offensive game. We can see he can play D, lets develope his offensive game. Furthermore, who are you going to ship out to get Horvat in? Mathias has picked up his game, Vrbata and Kassian are both out at the moment, I dont see room for Bo despite his decent play. 5 years from now we may very well be happy we sent him down. That's exactly what worries me, we may wind up developing a fourth line center/defensive specialist. Also, the Canadian market fishbowl environment is something I'd like to shield our kids from until they're ready to make an actual contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 why does Lazar look way ahead of Bo in terms of development? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Lazar is 0-3-3 in 14 games and the Sens have burned half a year of his entry level contract. How much you want a bet he sees time in Binghampton next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Bo Horvat - 0G0A0P EVEN 5:56TOI 25% FO (2/8) Curtis Lazar - 0G1A1P EVEN 13:56TOI 71% FO (5/7) And Lazar and Horvat faced off once, which Lazar won. I was hoping to see them play against each other more, but it wasn't the case. why does Lazar look way ahead of Bo in terms of development? Lazar is an excellent skater and plays more on instinct. Offensively, he can use his speed to create things. If he gets caught out of position defensively, it's not a huge concern because usually he can skate back into the play. Horvat's skating is acceptable now, but he'll never be a great skater like Lazar. Instead, Bo relies more on his hockey IQ to make things happen. Because Bo has to think the game rather than rely on his instincts or speed like Lazar can, I think it takes him a little more time to adjust to the pro level because plays happen so much faster in the pros and you don't have as much time to think. His decision-making will have to get up to speed before we see Bo making an impact on both ends of the ice consistently. That's my take on their difference, at least. Edited November 12, 2014 by Dasein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I thought Gary Valk brought up a good point during the 2nd intermission. He said something along the lines of if you are going to keep up a rookie in place of sending him back to junior he needs to be showing up on the score sheet. I would love to see Horvat up the whole year as much as the next 'nuck fan but I think Gary is right on the money in regards to Horvat. Send him back to Junior and the WJC to work on his offensive game. We can see he can play D, lets develope his offensive game. Furthermore, who are you going to ship out to get Horvat in? Mathias has picked up his game, Vrbata and Kassian are both out at the moment, I dont see room for Bo despite his decent play. 5 years from now we may very well be happy we sent him down. I agree that Juniors is probably what's best for his development, but...How can you expect him to put any points up when you're giving him under 20% offensive starts, playing him under 8 mins the last few nights and having him play with a revolving door of line mates ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) why does Lazar look way ahead of Bo in terms of development? Lazar has had consistent line mates all year and Hoffman has been a revelation so far this season. I also think Lazar is a bit better than Horvat as well as a prospect, but him having the same line mates consistently, that he has chemistry with is huge. Edited November 12, 2014 by Robongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I agree that Juniors is probably what's best for his development, but...How can you expect him to put any points up when you're giving him under 20% offensive starts, playing him under 8 mins the last few nights and having him play with a revolving door of line mates ? To play devils advocate.... one could argue that if he is able to put of points in these conditions then he earns a spot on a pro club. He isn't going to start ahead of other vets on the depth chart.. nor should he. They put him into the line up to see what he can do. He has done well but hasn't blown the socks off anybody, which I think he needed to do to stay up. WD isn't going to increase Bo's ice time just to give him a shot at more points. He is doing what he sees is best for the team to win hockey games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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