Derp... Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Playing time is a concern obviously the more he plays the better he becomes, but with that we've got to win games, and we have had a few close games to start his career. If we get up by 3 or 4 goals against Ottawa expect to see him on the ice more. Every point counts towards the playoffs, chances are some team will miss by only 1 or 2 points. Willie, Trevor, and JB are more concerned with that than with how much ice-time Horvat gets. Not to say it's not important, but priorities are playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimp C Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 9th in the NHL in faceoff percentage. 9th overall draft pick 9....9.... 99 My god he's the Great One. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Ultimately I think best for his long term development would in these next few games get a chance to play more minutes on the third line with some more offensive players. Then he can go back to junior hopefully with a couple of points maybe even a goal. Light it up with the confidence that he is very close to being an NHLer and then get ready to play in the World Junior tournament with Virtanen. I don't think the Canucks can seriously keep him this year. I think this more for him to get a good idea of the level of the NHL hockey the pace, the systems, etc. Next year I think will be the truly interesting year with guys like Richardson and Matthias both free agents he will have a very good chance to have a spot on the team as the third line center with a guy like Jensen probably on one of his wings and Kassian on the other. Edited November 10, 2014 by Chip Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Playing time is a concern obviously the more he plays the better he becomes, but with that we've got to win games, and we have had a few close games to start his career. If we get up by 3 or 4 goals against Ottawa expect to see him on the ice more. Every point counts towards the playoffs, chances are some team will miss by only 1 or 2 points. Willie, Trevor, and JB are more concerned with that than with how much ice-time Horvat gets. Not to say it's not important, but priorities are playoffs this year. Your saying this as if Bo is a liability though, if that's the way managment & the coaching staff is looking at it, that Bo needs to be sheltered like he has been then they should ultimately send him down. To me Bo isn't a liability, and now that he has shown in the few minutes he's gotten that he isn't a liability and that he can do things to help the team win, he needs to be given more opportunity to show that he can be a contributing part of this team, not just a rookie we are giving few minutes to just so he's gaining experience rather than being in junior. Basically whether or not he's playing in the top 9, I mean it would be great, but the bigger point is, he can't be viewed at as a liability, he can't be sheltered, he needs to play a regular shift just like everyone else, even if he's on the 4th line, he needs to play a regular shift just like guys like Dorsett & Hansen do. I personally think over the course of the year he could become a contributing top 9 player (3rd line center) that could play on both special teams units. Now it won't happen overnight, but they atleast need to give him the opportunity to show he can be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Wasn't able to see the game tonight but noticed his ice time was almost half of what he played last night in LA. How did he look out there tonight? On a tangent, how did his rookie linemates play too, Jensen and DeFazio? I was at the game, but was late so only saw the 2nd half. I recall no highlights, but no lowlights either, I do recall him handling the puck once or twice, and his attempts to stay involved, so I guess those are all good signs. But I don't remember seeing much of him in the 3rd, or De Fazio. Edited November 10, 2014 by terrible.dee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Now 59.1% in the circle in four games. Pretty respectable, especially after having gone through the Cali gauntlet. How many draws total? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 9th in the NHL in faceoff percentage. 9th overall draft pick 9....9.... 99 My god he's the Great One. The number literally followed him everywhere. He was drafted 9th in both the NHL and OHL drafts, for those who are unaware. I saw a feature on him in minor midget (prior to the OHL draft) and he had a practice jersey with the number... 9. How many draws total? COL - 8/12 SJ - 1/4 LA - 11/20 ANA - 6/8 ___________ Total = 26/44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt. Horvat Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) I'd love to keep Horvat up, but I'd rather not take off 1/2 years off his ELC Edited November 10, 2014 by Cpt. Horvat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks1219 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'd love to keep Horvat up, but I'd rather not take off 1/2 years off his ELC You can't take off half a year. If he plays 10 games and gets sent to London, that's 1 whole year off his ELC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrible.dee Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 The number literally followed him everywhere. He was drafted 9th in both the NHL and OHL drafts, for those who are unaware. I saw a feature on him in minor midget (prior to the OHL draft) and he had a practice jersey with the number... 9. COL - 8/12 SJ - 1/4 LA - 11/20 ANA - 6/8 ___________ Total = 26/44 Ok, that's a decent sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 If Horvat plays his 9 games straight he'll be sent down on the 23/24 (assuming he'll be sent down). The December camp roster is announced at the beginning of December so he'll only have to wait 1 week to start practicing, playing exhibition games and then going back to London for a few games then back to the World Junior squad. He won't be playing much in London so he's going from the NHL to a couple games in London back to big games at the World Juniors. I expect him to be sharp if he gets sent down because he's coming off time with the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I'd love to keep Horvat up, but I'd rather not take off 1/2 years off his ELCELC is 3 years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Bo stays.period.decimal mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Playing time is a concern obviously the more he plays the better he becomes, but with that we've got to win games, and we have had a few close games to start his career. If we get up by 3 or 4 goals against Ottawa expect to see him on the ice more. Every point counts towards the playoffs, chances are some team will miss by only 1 or 2 points. Willie, Trevor, and JB are more concerned with that than with how much ice-time Horvat gets. Not to say it's not important, but priorities are playoffs this year. Exactly. We need wins first and foremost and I get why WD would give veterans more ice time in tight games. Your saying this as if Bo is a liability though, if that's the way managment & the coaching staff is looking at it, that Bo needs to be sheltered like he has been then they should ultimately send him down. To me Bo isn't a liability, and now that he has shown in the few minutes he's gotten that he isn't a liability and that he can do things to help the team win, he needs to be given more opportunity to show that he can be a contributing part of this team, not just a rookie we are giving few minutes to just so he's gaining experience rather than being in junior. Basically whether or not he's playing in the top 9, I mean it would be great, but the bigger point is, he can't be viewed at as a liability, he can't be sheltered, he needs to play a regular shift just like everyone else, even if he's on the 4th line, he needs to play a regular shift just like guys like Dorsett & Hansen do. I personally think over the course of the year he could become a contributing top 9 player (3rd line center) that could play on both special teams units. Now it won't happen overnight, but they atleast need to give him the opportunity to show he can be that. No the OP is not saying that Bo has been a liability. The OP is saying that there are better options than Bo to play in the top 9. There is a subtle difference. Even though Bo is not a liability and is good enough, we have someone better and more reliable - and that's all it really takes to bump Bo off a top 9 roster spot. We're not here to take chances - we're here to get wins. If Bo shows that he is the better option, I think WD would have played him in a top 9 role. We're not here to develop a player into a role over the course of the year. That's what the CHL and AHL are for. We have players who play that role better right now, so they're playing instead. We don't need to give him an opportunity - Bo's not entitled to it. Bo needs to earn that opportunity by showing that he's ready for that role now and not over the course of the year. I was at the game, but was late so only saw the 2nd half. I recall no highlights, but no lowlights either, I do recall him handling the puck once or twice, and his attempts to stay involved, so I guess those are all good signs. But I don't remember seeing much of him in the 3rd, or De Fazio. Oh there was a huge boo boo - I think his first major one in the NHL - in the 1st period last night. Bo tried to stick handle through some Duck players in the neutral zone on a breakout with a junior move and was stripped of the puck by a Duck player. The defense scrambled back to contest the shot but it turned into a grade A chance for Anaheim, and Bo got a talking-to by one of the coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 yeah bo's only misstep came in anaheim when he tried to stickhandle it out of the zone. other than that he's been pretty solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSnipeshow91 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 yeah bo's only misstep came in anaheim when he tried to stickhandle it out of the zone. other than that he's been pretty solid. Issue there was speed. Defender would've probably backed off if he was faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 Issue there was speed. Defender would've probably backed off if he was faster It was still a low percentage rookie move, even taking the puck to the wall and eating it to buy some time would have probably been a better play, anything but coughing it up at his blueline Murzyn's Law; when in doubt, off the glass and out I doubt we'll see him do that again, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 It was still a low percentage rookie move, even taking the puck to the wall and eating it to buy some time would have probably been a better play, anything but coughing it up at his blueline Murzyn's Law; when in doubt, off the glass and out I doubt we'll see him do that again, though. But if he doesn't go end to end like that... how will we know if we shoulda picked Nichushkin?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) Exactly. We need wins first and foremost and I get why WD would give veterans more ice time in tight games. No the OP is not saying that Bo has been a liability. The OP is saying that there are better options than Bo to play in the top 9. There is a subtle difference. Even though Bo is not a liability and is good enough, we have someone better and more reliable - and that's all it really takes to bump Bo off a top 9 roster spot. We're not here to take chances - we're here to get wins. If Bo shows that he is the better option, I think WD would have played him in a top 9 role. We're not here to develop a player into a role over the course of the year. That's what the CHL and AHL are for. We have players who play that role better right now, so they're playing instead. We don't need to give him an opportunity - Bo's not entitled to it. Bo needs to earn that opportunity by showing that he's ready for that role now and not over the course of the year. This one comment your post is exactly what am saying about him being a liability, you guys are coming from the standpoint that playing Bo a regular shift (whether it be the 3rd or 4th line) is a risk. And there's nothing wrong with that if that's how you feel, but what I'm saying is, if management feels that way then they should just send him down, because if so what is really the goal with him this season then? Are they serious about him being a contributing member of the team? Or for him to just get a few games then send him down? As for the second bolded you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. How is Bo supposed to prove he can be a 10-12+ minute 3rd line center when he's playing 7 sheltered minutes on a 4th line? That's my point. He's shown he can contribute already (IMO), and if they are serious about him helping this team, then need to allow him to show more, if they are just going to keep him as a sheltered 7 minute a night 4th liner there is no chance of him showing anything substantially more than he has so far. Its not really about gifting him anything, if anything he's earned a bit more opportunity. The one game he played in the top 9, the line he was on was our best line. Granted everyone else was horrible, but that doesn't mean he didn't play well. Edited November 10, 2014 by Smashian Kassian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 (edited) This one comment your post is exactly what am saying about him being a liability, you guys are coming from the standpoint that playing Bo a regular shift (whether it be the 3rd or 4th line) is a risk. And there's nothing wrong with that if that's how you feel, but what I'm saying is, if management feels that way then they should just send him down, because if so what is really the goal with him this season then? Are they serious about him being a contributing member of the team? Or for him to just get a few games then send him down? As for the second bolded you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. How is Bo supposed to prove he can be a 10-12+ minutes 3rd line center when he's playing 7 sheltered minutes on a 4th line? That's my point. He's shown he can contribute already (IMO), and that if they are serious about him helping this team, then need to allow him to show more, if they are just going to keep him as a sheltered 7 minute a night 4th liner there is no chance of him showing anything substantially more than he has so far. Its not really about gifting him anything, if anything he's earned a bit more opportunity. The one game he played in the top 9, the line he was on was our best line. Granted everyone else was horrible, but that doesn't mean he didn't play well. D Sedin - H Sedin - Vrbata Higgins - Bonino - Burrows Matthias - Richardson - Kassian That is our top 9 at full health. There is literally no one on that top 9 that Bo can knock off. Hansen and Vey stand next in line for a top 9 role when injuries occur. It's not that Bo is liable. I trust him in a top 9 role. If our lineup looked like D Sedin - H Sedin - Vrbata Higgins - Bonino - Burrows Horvat - Richardson - Kassian I would have no qualms about it if we had no better options - but we have Matthias, Hansen and Vey who fill that role more effectively than Bo does. It's a numbers game Smashian. It's not a matter of trust in a player. Horvat has shown to be reliable and trustworthy so far. It's a matter of who is better and the odd man gets pushed down the depth chart - and sadly, Bo is the odd man out like Hansen and Vey to play on the 4th line. What I mean by "We're not here to take chances" Everyone we have are capable of playing in the top 9 - even Bo. However, if we don't play our best 9 forwards in the top 9, I see that as taking chances because we are not putting our best foot forward. If we put Bo out there instead of Hansen or Matthias or Vey, we are not putting our best foot forward IMO - so we would be taking chances. Edited November 10, 2014 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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